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  1. The Ball Matters

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    Great thread - just noticed it. Well, I suppose I cannot hide my allegiance to Head, but I'll be honest... I have a TF320 18 main (which I like much better than the 16 main) and I really like it! It is strung with the Red Code - nice!!! This racquet is a volleying machine.
     
  2. SC in MA

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    Hello TFight club members.

    Can anyone compare the T335 (16x20) to the Fischer MSpeed 98 and/or the n61 95 ?

    I used to use the n61 95 and currently use the MSpeed 98. The MSpeed 98 has less inherent power, but greater control. The MSpeed also swings lighter and is more manueverable. Both are solid, stable rackets.

    Based on the specs and what I've read, it seems that the T335 might offer a bit more power than the MSpeed, but less than the n61. And a bit less control than the MSpeed, but more control than the n61. True ?

    Is the T335 as solid and stable as the n61 and MSpeed ?

    The T335 has a lower listed swingweight than the MSpeed. Does the T335 feel like it swings lighter and is more manueverable than the MSpeed ? That's a quality I would really like for fast-paced doubles. And compared to the n61, does the T335 swing lighter and feel more manueverable than the n61?

    Also, how's the T335 serve capability compared to the n61 and MSpeed ?

    Thanks for any feedback.

    PS. If anyone has a T335 (16x20) 4 3/8 for sale, I may be interested.
     
  3. chicubs

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    Does anyone have experience with the TFight 320 18x20 & 16x20? If so, would you share your comparison of how the two frames perform? Are they stable and comfortable with the low swing weight (308) and higher stiffness (64)? How stiff are these frames, as I like to generate my own power and want the frame to be arm friendly. I am looking for something a little lighter than the TF 335. I have played the PK Redondo 93 & 98 and liked them - but they are just a little to heavy in my final set -up. I am looking for an all court frame for singles and doubles. I appreciate any feedback. Thanks
     
  5. jdeloach

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    Here is my review on the TF320. Hope this helps a little:

    http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showthread.php?t=110019
     
  6. Orion

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    I played a few sets with the 335. Very solid and stable frame. The shape of the grip is weird. It's hard to find a good grip on my backhand and the length of the grip is not ideally suited to a 2hand. Power from the frame is good, especially on well struck balls. You really have to drive through the ball and follow through on the stroke to extract max power. Power not on par with the PDR. It's strung with PDR now . I suspect a softer string may suit the racquet beter allow the ball to pocket more, giving added control. Feels like I have more control swinging out with the PDR. Could also be that I'm not fully adjusted to the frame.

    Groundsrokes: Very Solid, nice depth and controlled placement. Generating topspin not a problem. The heft of the frame makes for solid forehands. The grip is shaped a little weird and I found it slipping on the FH and not being able to get set n the BH. The length of the grip could be a little longer to accomodate 2BH's a little better

    Serves: Nice spin. Nice pop and directional control. Again the heft of the frame definitely helps accelerate the head through the ball.

    Volleys: Crisp. Again a solid feel. The frame feels stiff at impact but not POG stiff. It's a controllable stiff. I reserve from using the term flexible because you feel how stiff the frame is but don't get that rigid feeling. Manuverability is good.

    Sidenotes: The first few days I hit it I was getting twinges of tennis elbow and shoulder pain. I suspect it was my arm adjusting to the increased swingweight and difference in balance(coming from PDR) causing slighly flawed hitting technique. Now that I have my timing down the pain is gone. The 97 in Head plays closer to a mid than a mid plus. I had very few shots hit off the side of the frame. And even the few mishits I had were "controlled".

    Seriously considering a switch from the PDR
     
  7. Richie Rich

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    the 335 has a LOWER swingweight than the PDR. about 10 pts less. also, it is not as stiff as the PDR.
     
  8. SC in MA

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    I was hoping to get a comparison of the n61 and the MSpeed to the T335 (16x20), but since I got no takers..... How about a comparison between the T335 and the T325 ? I realize the T325 has the higher SW, but can anyone talk about the playability differences ? TIA.
     
  9. Orion

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    I was referring to the weight of the racquet. The PDR is 11.7 strung, 335 is 12.4. Should have specified. The 335 feels noticeably heavier and it's not as stiff. I think the 5pts difference in the head weighting is the only reason the PDR rates stiffer.
     
  10. Richie Rich

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    no worries, it's just that weight and swingweight are two very different things. just want to make sure we are all on the same page.
     
  11. nyc

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    2x TF 335 16x20
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    Sponsored? Nooo.

    Obsessed? Maybe...
     
  12. jdeloach

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    Awesome collection, nyc!! Here is a list of my collection right now, but soon will need to be a lot less:

    2x TF320 (16X20)
    1x RDS001 MP
    1x nSix-One Tour 90
    1x Yonex RD Ti-80
    1x nBlade
    1x RDX500 MP
    1x Yonex R-22
    1x Vantage (ordered)

    I really need to make up my mind on one brand to compliment my TF320.
     
  13. White_Rice

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    Have you tried the M-Speed 98's? they are really good sticks, i like that better than the RDX MP.
     
  15. jdeloach

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    Yes, I actually sold one not to long ago. I kinda wish I would have kept it now. It was a very comfortable, soft racquet. I am now starting to like that feeling the older and lazier I get.
     
  16. cris

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    I Have Just Bought A Tf 315 And Loved It!!!!!!
    What Is The Correct Tension For This Raquet??????
    Tw Says One Tension And Inside The Throat It Says Another.....
    Loving It!!!!!
     
  17. jdeloach

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    I would personally go with what the racquet says. On the TF315, I would recommend a high tension to allow more control and to take some of the POP away. Either way, it is a great racquet......congrats!!
     
  18. racquetjunkie

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    ex-325 user, now just got 335 16x20. have yet to play with it. plan to string with NXT tour 17 (my default string for new sticks). love the weight

    may I be granted membership?
     
  19. jdeloach

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    Long, overdue update to the list!! Welcome all new members!!
     
  20. STXLee

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    I've been trying out new racquets for several reasons. The first is that I'm developing tennis elbow and I want to see if going to a softer racquet helps (not really). The second is that I like to have two of the same racquets in case strings break. My preferred racquet is a 2001 Pure Control, and you just can't find them easily any more. The newer versions are not that similar, IMHO. In full disclosure, my racquet previous to the Bab PC was a TI Fire Tour (very briefly), and then before that a Dunlop Max200g for about 15 years. I don't change racquets that often, but when I do, I stick with them for a while.

    A little about me. I'm a NTRP 5.0 or so. Was very competitive in my younger years, but took a long hiatus from the game and now trying to re-find my game. I play mostly doubles and my strength lies in my serves and volleys. I use a 1HBH and continental grip on the FH side. I'm trying to switch to an eastern grip, but it's going to take a while to change. Oh, and I'm 6ft 175 lbs.

    So... I currently have in my possession:

    2001 Babolat PC as mentioned 4 1/2, strung with Babolat Xcel premium 16 at 56 lbs, about 12.5 oz strung. I like this racquet as it's square in the middle of the stiffness range. Not as soft as a Redondo (which I didn't like at all -- much too soft in the upper hoop), and not as stiff as a Pure Drive. Has pop and power, yet very controllable. Very stable, probably because of the weight. This is my reference stick as far as feel.

    TF335 16x20 4 3/8, strung with NRG2 16 at 53 lbs. The racquet feels very close to a 2001 Bab PC to me. Very stable, great pop, and directional stability. I didn't have any problems generating spin on serves or ground strokes. Volleys felt very solid and popped off the strings nicely. Very easy to return serves. Definitely feels heavier than its swingweight and 10 points HL, but still maneuvarable. However, I think it might be too much for a beginner or someone who is lacking correct technique. I also think that it helps to be in shape. But I believe the same is true with any of the racquets mentioned here, all of which are above 12 ozs.

    N6.1 95 16x18 4 1/2 strung with Luxilon BB ALU on mains 54 and Xcel on crosses 52. Despite really wanting to like this racquet, it never grew on me. It's the most manueverable of the bunch, which seems to make sense as many doubles players seem to like it. However, it's also the least stable. Swings very light for a 12.4 oz racquet. On paper, you would think the TF335 would feel lighter based on specs, but it's not so, in my opinion. Feels about the same flex as the Babo and the TF. It also has decent power, and good, but not great control. Overall, a nice racket, but I'm not willing to give stability for a little bit more manueverability.

    Lastly, a N6.1 Tour 90 4 1/2 strung with Sensation, not sure at what tension. I won't go in depth comparing the 90 against 95 as there are plenty of reviews that do just that. But I did play yesterday with the Tour 90 for the first set of a game and with the TF335 on the second set. They felt about the same, weight-wise. I hit some clean passing shot winners off the backhand, which felt good, but the rest of the game just didn't gel. Serves were decent. I never groved on the volleys with the Tour 90. When you hit the sweetspot, it feels nice, but if you're a bit off it can be jarring. It's quite flexible in comparison to the others and somewhat contrary to it's TW rating.

    And that's my very subjective review. Hope it was helpful. In the end, you should try and demo the racquets for yourself. My idea of a good feeling racquet may not be yours. Also, give yourself some time. I could easily attribute the problems of using the Tour 90 above to the racket, but it could very well be that my swing was off that day.
     
  21. SC in MA

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    Since apparently all you T-Fight Club members (except for STXLee) were too busy out on the courts to answer my questions about the 335 (16x20) , I had to go out and get one! :)

    FYI. My main stick for the last 5 or 6 months is the Fischer MSpeed 98 SL (the heavy one), which I'll compare it to.

    So I strung the 335 up at 60lbs with VS Tonic in the mains and Gosen OG in the crosses. One of the first things I noticed was that the string bed was surprisingly dense for a 16x20 racket (not that it's a bad thing, it's just something I noticed.) Just swinging it around after stringing it, it felt less head light than I expected and the swing weight felt more than I expected (more about that in a few minutes.).

    So I then went out and played with it for about an hour. Did some warmups and some quick drills, then played a set of singles. The first thing I noticed was how solid it is. It also swung lighter during play than I thought it would based on my swinging it around after stringing it. I can't recall ever experiencing that with another racket.

    The ball strike has a nice, substative feel to it and it makes a very satisfying deep sound when the ball is struck. There also seems to be a ball-in-the-string bed dwell time when hitting with this one. This is not something I normally feel with most rackets. This is all very good stuff.

    Overall, I give the 335 a big thumbs up, with a few caveats. I'll have more to say later.....
     
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  22. TonyB

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    So do you like it more or less than your Fischer 98?
     
  23. SC in MA

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    Sorry I don't have much time right now to answer in detail (which I'll do later), but the short answer is I'm not sure right now. I only hit with the 335 for an hour yesterday. I will say that I liked it from the first hit and there wasn't any transition problem at all. I tried all the strokes and everything was good for me with the 335. In general, both are solid, but I think the 335 has more pop than the MSpeed98, but less control. However, this may sound kind of weird, but although the 335 seemed to have more pop, I don't think it hit as heavy a ball as the MSpeed98. In some ways, I feel like the 335 straddles between the n61 95 and the MSpeed98 in terms of power and control, though I think the n61 95 also hits a heavier ball than the 335. Again, these are judgements made after one 1 hour hitting session with the 335. But I'm liking it so far. Gotta go...
     
  24. SC in MA

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    I had a chance to hit with the 335 again today (this was my second hit with the 335), mostly hitting groundstrokes and volleys. No sets. Today, the 335 felt less solid than the MSpeed98. Here's a mini-comparison to the MSpeed98.

    Groundstrokes. Both rackets are great from the baseline, so it's more a matter of preference. I think the 335 offers a bit more pop and maybe a bit more manueverability, but a bit less control than the MSpeed98. I can really hit out with the MSpeed98, which is a feeling I really like. However, I think my forehand is a little more explosive with the 335. I hit really nice 1HBH's with the 335, but I've never hit better 1HBH's than I do with the MSpeed98. I also hit 2HBH's and I seemed to hit those with a bit more consistency with the 335.

    Volleys. I volleyed very well with the 335. I think the volleys with the 335 were crisper, but a little less controlled.

    Serves. I didn't serve with it today. Yesterday I did. I felt like I got just a bit more juice and spin with the 335.

    Returns. I didn't hit returns with the 335 today. However, yesterday my returns with the 335 were consistently good. Especially my 2HBH return.

    Overhead. Both rackets are good here. I think I was getting a little more racket head speed with the 335.

    As I mentioned before, I think the one element I noticed today that I didn't notice yesterday is that the 335 didn't seem as solid as the MSpeed98.

    Overall, I think the 335 is a very playable racket. However, as of right now, I don't think it will be replacing my MSpeed98, though I do plan to work the 335 into a few of my matches to see how I do with it under match conditions.
     
  25. SC in MA

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    I had a chance to play both singles and doubles over the weekend with the 335. I didn't really notice anything that I haven't already said earlier. Maybe the one notable is that I consistently had really good pop with the serve. I'm going to continue to use it and see how I do with it over a period of time.
     
  26. Orion

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    I played two great sets of doubles with the T-fight. If you're a clean striker it is definitely a rewarding frame. I've yet to string the MPro 98 I have, the 105 I have (even with lead on the throat) doesn't play as solid. I found groundstrokes on the 105 M Pro to be more forgiving but lacking in power whereas the T-fight 335 hit a much flatter ball. I found the MPro easier to create angles with. I since stopped playing with the 335 cause of this weird shoulder pain I was getting. I plan on keeping it though. I'm in DC so it's f'ing freezing here (even in bubbles). I plan to take it with me to FL in a few weeks to play outdoors with it.
     
  27. TonyB

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    Hey, Orion, did the wierd shoulder pain go away when you played with other racquets (like the 105)? That is, did the TF335 cause the pain?

    Also, if you raise your arm up behind your back as if to scratch it, do you feel any pain?
     
  28. Ronnie92

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    I didn't have pain using the TF335, and my shoulder has been DESTROYED playing football.
     
  29. cris

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    Can Anyone Tell Me Anything About The Difference Between The Tf 320 X Tf-315?????
    I Have A Tf-315 And Love It, But I Am Curious About The 320 18x20.
    CAN ANYBODY TELL ME IF IT IS WORTH DEMOING THE 320 ????? IS IT THAT DIFFERENT FROM THE 315????????
     
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  31. Orion

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    My bad Tony I kinda lost the thread the past week.

    If I raise my arm to scratch my back I feel a pull on my rotator cuff which was blown out about 18 months ago. The pain did go away when I played with other racquets. I went back to my PDR, but I haven't been able to follow through on my strokes and I'm pulling up short on easy put away volleys. Although the pain is not there I can feel where other muscles in my back have been compensating for that weird pain the 335 caused.

    I still can't believe how clean I was able to strike the ball with the 335. I definitely hit a heavier ball with it than with the PDR.

    Funny thing with that pain is that as long as I was swinging the 335 the pain was not there, but as soon as I stopped and rested the pain would come. I probably should have rested more but how can one stop playing this game??

    What did you have yours strung with?? Mine was with Babolat PHT @54.5. I'm thinking of going with a softer string maybe NRG17.
     
  32. TonyB

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    I had the same issue. No pain during play, but I noticed the pain several hours afterwards.

    I had Klip Venom (60 lb.) in one and Ashaway Liberty (48 lb.) in the other. Oddly, the pain really kicked up when I played with the Liberty at low tension. Very strange.

    Anyways, I have a 335 strung with natural gut at 53 lb. that I need to try when I get back to the courts. It feels very soft.
     
  33. TF325

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    OK...long time reader...first time poster. Name says it all. TF325 all the way. Love that stick. Used the 315 for about 8mos and think it is really nice as well, but can really hit out with the 325.
    I demoed the 335, but just couldn't get the feel with it. I think I like the paint job better on the originals as well. They dress up nice with white grips.
    Anyway, great thread.
    Ron
     
  34. nhstennis

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    [​IMG] confusion between technifibres 325s
    I bought two second hand tecnifibre 325s from two different people. They have many differnces in minute details. For example; one has maximum control written on the side, one has tfight on the throat the other has tecnifibre on the throat and the specs on the 2 are different (headsizes are i sqi difference).

    Are there different models of these sticks. I also noticed they no longer sell them on TW.

    Please answer. I am so confused
     
  35. dallasstarsfan

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    i have the same question. One of my tf325 has "maximum control" at the 10 oclock position and the other one has "maximum power". I have not looked for other differences yet.
     
  36. nhstennis

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    there are plenty i havent played with my new one though ill see if they hit different]
     
  37. nhstennis

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    Apparently there are different batches of tecnifibre rackets...................
     
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    Anyone to compare TF335 (any string pattern) with the Redondo (any head size), please, if possible.

    Thanks.
     
  39. chicubs

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    i hate to do this but i would really like someone to take a TF 335 16 x 20 off my hands. Ill give you a good deal...

    I wish I could commit to the stick but I would need to buy like 4 of them so wouldnt work out but the specs are perfect for me.

    Im seeing more of these around lately by the way. glad to see tecnifibre on the way up.
     
  40. nhstennis

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    wher is the 325 on TW? , is there a new model coming out out soon, if so im excited even tho im not goin to buy it!
     
  41. andfor

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    The 325 is being discontinued and is replaced by the 335 and 320. The 315 I believe is also going to be discontinued and replaced by the 305 with an 18x20 string pattern.

    New Tecnifibre sticks are due at TW in Mach, this according to TW.
     
  42. DrewB

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    Anyone have swingweight and stiffness stats on the new t-feel 310? Just showed up on TW, but without any info. Looks a little like a DNX 8 or Pure Drive type design.
     
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    Tecnifibre literature we received in the mail claims the TFlash 310 stiffness is 69 RA. Just like the TFlash 290. We'll see what the real number is when TW tests it themselves. I suppose the 310 is designed to be more of a players version of the 290. The 310 is available with either a 16x20 or 18x20 string pattern and is most likely targeted at the Pure Drive racquet type users. We'll see what the masses have say when it's played with on the court.
     
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    I always thought there was more in their(tecnifibre) line that they kood sell.
    I have a 27" 325 that i love i bet its similar to a 320 now.........
    then i have a 27.4 one which isnt as maneuvarable, still need some time with it.
     
  45. yrt

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    Can anyone share a comparison of 335 and head fxp prestige mp? I've been using prestige for about a year and am thinking of switching. Prestige is solid but is giving me sore arms. I'm used to heavy rackets (mines are ~12.5) but with prestige, I feel it's too stiff and causing my arm issues these days. I didn't have that before (playing w/ volvk tour10, andn tour10 gen 2 for 4 years before that). I think the 335 is close to prestige specs, but would like to see about the 16x20 and the softness that folks have been talking about in the thread ...
     
  46. 007

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    TF335 owner thanks to a recent acquisition from TonyB. Lovin' my 335 16x20!
     
  47. gn8

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    The FXP Prestige MP I have is closer in specs to the TF 320. The Prestige weighs 11.6 oz Strung. The TF 335 is 12.5. I had a nice hit with the 335 18x20 last night. It is a very solid racquet that does a lot of things well and I personally had no discomfort hitting with it. (But I had no issues with the Prestige either)
     
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    Funny, that's exactly the transition I made. I was playing the Fxp prestige MP for a year and developed TE, as it played too stiff.

    Originally I came from playing heavier frames, and after demoing a whole bunch of racquets, decided on the TF335 with the open 16x20 pattern. It plays like a dream and I found the transition to be very easy. The increase in weight forced me to be a bit more form-conscious and to prep my swing earlier. As a result, I hit cleaner. I tried both patterns, btw, but preferred the more spin-friendly and powerful 16x20. And I now play with a poly/multi hybrid and have zero arm problems.

    I find having more control on my groundstrokes than the prestige funnily enough, and I hit a heavier ball. Access to spin is easier as well due to the open pattern. I hit a 1HBH, and with the TF335, it's a dream, you just plow through the ball, and also generate great spin on shorter angles on the BH.

    Volleys have more pop than the prestige, but the heavier frame has somewhat less maneuverability. I can generate nicer depth and directional control with the TF, same goes for serves, where the increased weight helps.

    A note on the grip - last year Tecnifibre changed the shape of the Grip to be more square-ish (wilson-like) and less Head-like. A change for the better, in my preference.

    The increased weight does become apparent, especially in longer matches, so I also got the TF320 16x20 (with a little lead added), and I really like switching between the two.

    I can definitely recommend demoing both the TF335 and the 320, and recommend the more open patterns for both.

    Good Luck!
     
  49. gn8

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    I felt exactly the same way. My only concern with the 335 is match fatique with the weight. It really is a heavy racquet. I have a 320 demo also (although mine are 18x20) and thought it could be in the bag for long matches if needed. How much weight did you add to your 320?
     
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    Do tecnifibre butt caps have trap doors?
     

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