Take a 5.0 player vs Murray

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  1. film1

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    Take a good 5.0 player and let him play a set against Murray
    Murray has to start every game down 2 points and Murray is limited to one serve.
    What do you think the score would the score be if they played one set?
     
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  2. JoelDali

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    Murray loses.
     
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    I agree with JoelDali.
     
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    3-0 for murray. The 5.0 would retire from murray making him run so much.
     
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    Good to see marriage hasn't dulled your common sense, Mr. Drak. I'd say 6-0, cuz ol' Andy would coast enough to let the 5.0 finish out the set. :)
     
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  6. r2473

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    Isn't Querrey a 5.0?

    EDIT: My mistake....the OP specified a GOOD 5.0.
     
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    LOL,,,,5.0 player ????? are you kidding ? Murray's 2nd serve has so much spin, the guy would probably miss the return 80% of the time. 2 points down ?? Murray would just over-power 5.0 player. YOu have NO idea how hard these pros hit. Murray's routine what you think is soft groundies are faster than most of the College level guys.

    Start teh 5.0 player UP 6-0 and 4-0. then tell Murray he has to play every game 0-40 down. then you may have a match.
     
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    Lol the 5.0 could start up 6-0 4-0 and Murray would STILL win in straight sets. He would win so convincingly, the 5.0 would actually lose the set he was awarded.

    Imagine a 2.5 playing a 5.0. That's about how competitive it would be.
     
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    Fail.
    ..........
     
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  11. Fedace

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    Yes but if Murray starts every game down 0-40,,,and if the 5.0 guy gets lucky letcords on few shots....you never know.....could have an upset and Andy would get so pissed,,,he will fly back to england..
     
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    You took my post out of context. Read the last part and maybe you won't miss the joke? Fail.
     
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    6-0 6-0 Murray. Not even close. I'd put money on it AND give you odds.
     
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    Define good 5.0.

    SEBASTIAN QUINTERO was 750 in the world in 04, is currently 27 years old, and has gone 3 sets with Alejandro Falla, you know, the guy who about knocked Federer out of Wimby in the first round.

    He was world ranked up until 2005, 2 years before he started playing 5.0. Played 5.0 for 07, 08, and 09 before getting bumped to 5.5. He also plays 9.0 and 10.0 mixed, so that 546 world ranking in dubs has to help out his lady 4.0 partner.

    [​IMG]

    I'd give the dude a chance with your rules.

    J
     
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  15. Dedans Penthouse

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    ^^^ +1

    Yet and again the observational disconnect between .... "them" (world-class Murray, TOP 10 no less) and "us" :

    I've seen handicapped matches involving "closer-in-ranking" match ups than the one presented here in this thread, and it ended up the same:

    Final Score imho? : "OW!" ... as in O-O 'ow' (lol)

    Further, I think Murray could play an 'alternative style' (for his amusement, e.g. strictly serve-and-volley) and end up in "bagel-land" as well.

    One other thing to consider: the pressure that's on the LESSER of the two to get that "one game" .... Murray's experienced it (and conquered it on his way to his current ranking in spades).

    A different universe.
     
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  16. Rippy

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    6-0 to Murray
     
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    Down 0-30 and only get one serve? You think Murray would win in straight sets against that guy? John Isner was ranked in the 800s, but managed to get to the Legg Mason final.
     
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    the thread would've been funnier if titled: Take a 5.0 player vs Soderling :) or...Tsonga
     
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  19. MurrayisBEAST

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    Murray would win 6-1 without even breaking a sweat. He's #4 in the world for crying out loud.
     
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  20. Knightmace

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    whis is this thread inthe odd and end section
     
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  21. Larrysümmers

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    it is a fail. Because you have the 5.0 winning the first set 6-0. So then it can't be a straight sets victory for Murray. Thus, leading on your fail.
     
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    +1

    It's kind of sad to see a great thread like this get limited and less qualified attention than what could have been under the ProPlayer forum. What I find even more outrageous is that people commenting on this topic are not having full credit for their work reflected in their post count. I would say the OP's actions are somewhat inconsiderate and disrespectful.
     
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  23. pyrokid

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    Yeah, but if you read the rest of his post he fixes that little problem.

     
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    The "5.0" would could lose the match, not the awarded set.

    It's still a fail. A fail at trying to be funny.
     
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    No, it wasn't. I wasn't trying to be true. If I was, I would've said the truth.

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  26. pushing_wins

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    doubles: daniel nestor and a junior against 2 5.0's

    result: 3 sets

    this actually took place
     
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    ^^haha where did that take place? any video links
     
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    I think it has already been established who the disrespectful one around here, your other post speak volumes.
     
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    Depends what type of court it was, if it was on either astro or a just random park court with bumps on it the 5.0 might get a few games if he was lucky with the bounces on like stones or something/shanks a few winners on the astro.
     
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  30. AlpineCadet

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    Did you guys not see the Lopez match @ Farmers Classic? 5.0 will always lose, even with those rules.
     
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    I think it really depends on the particular player what the score will be. If you get a 5.0 with a great serve, they have a shot at winning a game or two. Obviously once a rally is started, Murray wins.
     
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    A 5.0 vs. a 7.0? Not just any 7.0, but one of the best players in the world? Even with those handicaps Murray would just destroy him without even trying. If any weekend players think their game has anything in common with the top pros they are totally mistaken.
     
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    There are some good 5.0s with huge serves.
    If you have a good player going for everything on both first and second serves and attacking second serves on return I think he would be able to win a couple of games considering the handicaps placed on Murray.

    I would not be surprised if the score was 6-0 but my guess would be 6-2.
     
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    Your writing is so poor I can barely understand what you're trying to say. Established what? Post speak what? What - what?

    I agree - I wouldn't be surprised if pusher Murray lost 0 and 0 to a solid 5.0 who would ace pusher Murray and just cream those weak second serves for winner returns. Under regular scoring even. Good thread overall, as we have all agreed, just posted in the wrong subforum.
     
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    A 5.0 serve no matter how good has nothin on a guy who is top 5 in the world.
     
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    I remember this now - a good illustration of your pattern of launching dim threads in wrong places. That one got trolled out by OrangeMan or some such, but I hope you got the points I made prior to that happening (although I wouldn't bet on it). In any event, I hope this is at least a good learning process for you.
     
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    Absolutely. Are the others really this naive, or are they just kidding?
     
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    Murray would only get one serve.
     
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    Scotland dude
     
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    OR how about a computer rated 5.0 like you?

    The kind that has a USTA team 0 - 9 for the entire season and their leading man who is top 10 in their section not able to win a match?

    Then I'd say the 5.0 has no chance ya? :)
     
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    Nah, I'd only win a game or two.

    Maybe get blanked.

    Either way it would be fun.

    Call up Andy for me, and see if you can set it up, he will be up by here at the end of the month, so I can swing by the USO practice courts.

    J
     
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  43. OrangeOne

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    This thread is so bad that Fedace actually made fairly logical sense.
     
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    6-0 Murray.

    ENORMOUS gulf in abilities between a 5.0 which is basically club coach level and the ATP World No.4. You're talking a difference of four NTRP levels. Assuming players are rated accurately, a 5.5 will smoke a 5.0, a 6.0 smoke a 5.5 and so on. A 5.0 will never, in a million years, have the game to touch an ATP top 10 player. A 5.0 is never going to force unforced errors from Murray.

    Murray could play at 50% and it would still be a bagelling for the 5.0
     
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    Huge for 5.0 level and below, but they'd be like returning practice serves for a top 10 pro. Imagining the likes of Murray, Federer, Djokovic returning 5.0 level serves is laughable.
     
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  46. TahoeTennis

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    I have to play devil's advocate here and say that the 5.0 could actually win a few games, and definitely points. Just saw J.M. Gambill (spelling) and Kendrick play here in lake tahoe and one of the teaching pros was hitting with them and keeping up. Sure it wasn't an all out match, but if Murray starts at 0-30 and the 5.0 smokes some serves and gets some aces, he could hold his serve at least one or two times.
     
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