Talent vs. No talent

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  1. 93sq.

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    Gasquet is talented but he's a loser.
    Many people less talented win more than him!
    why!?

    Just because...even if you have only a weapon...to win you must be able to use it!
     
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  2. Fedexeon

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    All these pro players are at least 2 times more talented than all people in this forum?
     
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  3. lawrence

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    roddick has:
    17 more titles (25 to nalbandians 8)
    better ranks past and present
    better head2head
    a slam win (ding ding ding)
    about 5million more in prize money
    a better win ratio this year (21/4 vs 17/4)


    yep nalbandian owns roddick alright
     
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  4. bcast66

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    your retarded talent is in brain and body. you are not born with talent if thats what your implying here. and talent comes more so in the body then brain, you can be dumb as hell but if you are physically fit and can keep the ball in you will win.

    Look at nadal he has absolutely nothing except spin and endurance. he might be smart to but i fail to see that.
     
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  5. raiden031

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    If Roddick had no talent then he wouldn't be able to break his opponents' serve and every set would go into a tiebreaker. It is laughable that someone could make a statement that a guy who was once ranked #1 doesn't have talent. There are thousands of people that probably put in at least the effort that Roddick has towards tennis and can't even qualify for an ATP tournament.
     
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  6. slice bh compliment

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    PascalMariafan is named for a chair umpire and has a cocky, outspoken internet persona. That's psychotic.

    Here's a contribution, though most of you may not think so.

    On the subject of talent vs no talent, I remember when Corretja came back from 2 sets to love down against Moya in the 98 ATP Tour Year-end masters. He was exhausted after the thrilling 5 set win, and felt it was a triumph of will: hard work over talent. He said he always loved the talent vs hard worker matchups, like Mac vs Lendl. He admired Mac, but identified more with Lendl, seeing his friend Moya more as the McEnroe on the court.

    Interesting, because Corretja was a talented mover with really fluid strokes and good touch around the net whenever he did go in. A few years later, he had another 5 set win over Sampras on grass in a Davis Cup tie.

    I figure, if someone is going to be called a 'no-talent bum', let the guy call himself that.
     
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  7. daddy

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    He he, PascalMariaFan, didn't I give you some advice? Cocky teenagers usually get bashed or beat up ( depending on where you are - on internet or in real life ). Anyways now you have a lot more candidates to pick on because by your silly standards the complete board dislikes you and you know what else - in your opinion they are all wrong. Go ahead show them real wisdom Messiah.
     
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  8. daddy

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    You may already know all this but let me just say it. I do agree that talent is not a constant in the world of tennis and everybody has some different talents. Thus the implication that one player can be more talented that another is not unthinkable, but to think that any of the players in pro rankings, let alone a constant top 5 player is not talented at all is childish. So people may say that Lendl was the bigest overachiever but for me there is no such thing. Also you can say Roddick is only serve but even so, why some of the other guys playing tennis for 20+ years do not serve the lights out?

    Of course there is a subtle difference between Roddick and Nalbandian but it prooved to be just that they are talented for different things.
     
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  9. Ocean Drive

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    Roddick has talent, every guy on tour has talent, they are all incredibley good tennis players.

    On the other hand Pascal Maria has no talent, even at umpiring, the Roddick-Safin 2007 AO encounter he made a horrific overrule, otherside of the court on Safin's serve, clearly in, calls it out. That guy is a complete fool.
     
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  10. Ocean Drive

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    Plus, Roddick has a slam under his belt with a few finals, what does Nalbandian have? 1 Slam final?

    No contest.
     
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  11. coloskier

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  12. coloskier

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    And what rules are you talking about?
     
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  13. coloskier

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    Yes, like a piniata. :)
     
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  14. coloskier

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    I guess the problem is that your nation picked a court that only counts 33% of the year. That leaves 67% to the real tennis courts. Clay is for farming and growing flowers, not tennis.
     
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  15. coloskier

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    Serve is 50% of the game, so that already makes Roddick equal to Nalbandian. What puts him above Nalbandian is that he doesn't eat donuts all day and he always shows up to play a match, unlike Nalbandian, who frequently is playing a match on a different continent than the tournament is located.
     
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  16. el sergento

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    Why is everybody indulging this man child by actually trying to argue with him??

    He's obviously a 12-15 y/o boy, probably the child of divorce, who craves attention so badly that he starts stupid inflammatory threads like this one.

    Sorry Spanky, even on the internet no one likes you.:evil:
     
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  17. crazylevity

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    alright alright guys...calm down, the troll has been scared off.
     
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  18. NamRanger

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    Pascal, here's my overwhelming and undeniable logic.



    Nalbandian with his great talent = 0 slams.


    Roddick with his no talent one shot wonder power = 1 slam


    I win.
     
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  19. Djokovicfan4life

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    You can't win the argument with this loser, dude, but mods can with a lifetime ban! :twisted:
     
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  20. daddy

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    You really think he is not coming back ?

    ...


    No. Trollololol. ;)
     
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  21. crazylevity

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    not for now. I just see poor fans venting frustration at thin air, and it pains me. I know the pain of banging your head against a wall (read:troll)
     
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  22. my_forehand

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    haha.HA!
    :lol:

    :rolleyes: Yeah, okay, whatever gets you to bed. And if we're dumba$$es, what's Pascal Maria?
     
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  23. A.Davidson

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    Geez, never thought I'd see a Nalby troll...Or maybe just a Roddick hater?

    Kinda hard to tell.
     
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  24. GOD_BLESS_RAFA

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    I wish Nadal served well like Roddick at certain times on courts when he needs to save his energy and get points Full stop
     
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  25. DJG

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    Funny thread. I doubt that any talent-less hack on this forum, having aquired Roddick's serve, would break into the top 10.

    Andy is no Johnny Mac and may have less "natural" talent than Nalbandian, but success is about maximizing your talents. Andy has done a fine job in doing exactly that - his results speak for themselves.

    Nalbandian on the other hand has been a very frustrating character to watch during his career - he has it all talent-wise, but seems to lack the extra "oomph" to maximize his talents.
     
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