Talking about potential....

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  1. dangalak

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    If every player from the 2000s maximised his potential, how many slams would he have won.

    Yes, this is supposed to be a speculative thread.
     
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  2. forzamilan90

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    are we talking strictly players whose professional career started after 2000 or generally speaking notable players of the 2000s tennis era?
     
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  3. BauerAlmeida

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    Nadal 8
    Federer 12
    Djokovic 8
    Haas 2
    Coria 1
    Nalbandian 6
    Safin 8
    Del Potro 2
    Murray 2

    Somethink like that IMO. I didn't count the exact amount of slams would be taken into consideration. Or since when do you start counting.
     
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  4. Evan77

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    Nalbandian and Safin come to my mind. Nalby, if he was dedicated enough could have won few slams. Safin, if it wasn't for injuries, vodka and women should have won at least 3/4 more slams.

    Haas is another one. One of the most talented players I had a privilege to watch. Unfortunately he got into that stupid accident ... but the biggest problem with Tommy Haas was his nerves. Despite all of his talent, superior shot making, beautiful net play, you name it, he just wasn't able to stay composed. He was a complete mental mess. too bad, too sad.
     
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  5. dangalak

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    The latter.
     
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  6. Nathaniel_Near

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    Relax folks, ...
    This is a speculative thread, if I ever saw one.
     
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  7. Nathaniel_Near

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    Relax folks, ...
    Tru dat....

    I think Safin, were it not for injuries and perhaps mentality, would have taken some Majors away from Roger. I feel like Nalbandian should have won say 1 Major, and Safin about 6.
     
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    Wow, this is interesting. I maybe in the minority here in that I think Fed is both awesome but could have been mentally tougher.
    I say Fed would have had 20 slams already if he had "maximized" his potential.
     
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  9. Nathaniel_Near

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    Relax folks, ...
    Federer is in a special tier of 'talent' along with the likes of Laver and McEnroe. He should have won at least 56 Slams but will have to settle for 17 or so.
     
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  10. NadalDramaQueen

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    Seems pretty obvious that Federer in full flight with his new found mental strength vs. the Nadal would pick up a large majority of the majors. He would probably lose every now and then just to see what it feels like.

    Fantastic and well thought out thread, as usual, dangalak :cool:

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  11. The-Champ

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    When Federer lost his first match against Nadal was that due to mental weakness? Imagine if Nadal didn't have that foot condition in that contributed to the weakening of his knees and therefore prevented him from reaching his true potential. What if Murray had hired Lendl earlier in his career. Imagine if Djokovic had discovered the gluten-free diet earlier.
     
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    All meaningless, The-Champ. All of uber Fed's opponents would be blinded by his sheer brilliance and would fittingly be crushed under the weight of his excellence. :lol:
     
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  13. dangalak

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    The thing is, Nadal DOES have that foot condition. If he didn't have it, that's not maximising his potential, that's magically increasing it.

    It's like saying "what if Isner wasn't one of the slowest players in the game".
     
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    PLease Nards, don't be insecure. If you feel this scenario would see Nadal beating Federer even easier, feel free to say so.
     
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    Not Tipsy, he is wearing those cool shades!
     
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    Your thread is speculative! It deserves an uber fh from Rafa

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iUCx83nPyQU&feature=related

    :D
     
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    Funny thing is, some commentator said that Tipsy was unique because he actually didn't choke against Federer in the AO. He just played him like another player. Federer had to actually come up with his best returns to finally break him.
     
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    That's true. He was very clutch in that match and served very well. Certainly one of Tipsy's greatest displays ever.
     
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  19. dangalak

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    On topic, Tipsy is actually a guy with great potential, in he doesn't exactly lack that much. Cleaner ballstriker than any in the top 4 (yes, cleaner than Djokovic) great movement, unreal backhand, and probably the best serve I've seen in a while, controlling for height. Well, except fro Raonic and Roddick I guess. :lol:

    Wonder what this guy is lacking.
     
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  20. Evan77

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    yeah, right. you mean on blue clay. agree with you, lol, NOT. and enough of Raonic, I'm getting annoyed by this serve bot :). I'm Canadian but I prefer Dancevic. The problem is all of these guys are from former Yugoslavia, it's weird. Djokovic, Nestor (they say Nestorovic is his real name, I don't know), Tipsarevic, Jankovic, Ivanovic,. not sure with this 'ich' thing btw.
     
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    Let me guess, you don't think Baghdatis and Berdych strike it cleaner than Djokovic either. :?

    Seriously, top players aren't better than everyone at everything.
     
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    yeah, they are, like it or not. As much as I like Berdman and Marcos, no they don't even come close to Djoko.
     
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    I guess Nadal has a better serve than Raonic too. :lol:

    My God, what is this crap.
     
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  24. okdude1992

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    Dude, some people may just not agree with you. I saw Janko practice up close 2 years in a row at Indian Wells. To me it didn't look like he was hitting the ball clean at all. Especially off the backhand. Saw Baghdatis smoke Lopez the same day. Now HE was hitting the ball super clean and serving at 135 plus. Watching him reminded me of what a waste of talent he is. Nalbandian also hits super clean and controlled groundstrokes. was nice seeing him up close
     
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    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dJ-iMgH5Jc4

    Seems to hit it pretty clean.
     
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    Safin would have 5 or so Monfils maybe 1 young...0
     
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    Federer - 40
     
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  29. dangalak

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    How many slams do you think he should've won and which? :)
     
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    crap is coming from you when someone disagrees with you. as simple as that.

    no, I'm not going to say anything about Nadal/Rao serve. It's a low punch, but suit yourself.
     
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  31. Romismak

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    Impossible to tell this WHAT IF ,but if those guys achieved more than Roger wouldn´ have 17 slams for sure and Rafa woulnd´t never win anything besides RG.

    I mean if Nalbandian, Hewitt, Roddick, Safin, Davydenko, Haas,Murray,Delpo and many others achieved more than it would be totally different - also guys like Tsonga, Soderling, , Berdych could have won slams if maximazing their potential
     
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  32. dangalak

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    How would you rank them?
     
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    This is an unfortunate example, as he was ill on that day (this is well-documented), so no, it was probably not due to mental weakness. ;)
     
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  34. 10is

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    Mental weakness, no -- physical weakness - yes. He was actually sick and quite ill, and was considering withdrawing from the tournament. No need to take my word for it of course -- look it up.
     
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    Umm, sorry to inform you, but yes they are!
     
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  36. BauerAlmeida

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    No, they're not. They are better as a whole player but not in every aspect of the game.

    Nadal does not have a better serve than Karlovic.
    Djokovic does not volley better than Llodra
    Federer doesn't have a better backhand than Haas

    And I can go on.
     
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  37. TheF1Bob

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    Novak would of easily had at least 20 slams by now.

    Fed about 2, especially with guys like Nalby, Safin, Blake, Hass around.

    Nadal = LOL Novak would of taken majority of his titles, with Muzza and Delpo getting on the act as well.
     
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  38. NadalDramaQueen

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    I see that you're back at it. :cool:

    UberFed would still be crushing Novak when he was in his late thirties. Djoker would likely retire from shame long before The Golden Eagle of Victory landed.

    [​IMG]
     
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