Technical Analysis: Videos

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  1. Bungalo Bill

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    If I promised to look and provide advice to your videos, please accept my apoligies but I dont remember the threads on where they are located. Pop it up by posting something in them, and I will take a look. If I miss it, keep popping it up. I am not trying to avoid you or not do it. I want to give you advice and want to look at them to see if I can help.
     
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    Hi BB, welcome back ;)

    I don't have no video for analysis, but can you give the progression of the bh slice -- the one that pros hit from the baseline just like the regular topspin drive. Thanks.
     
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  3. Bungalo Bill

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    Do you mean the key steps? Or the entire stroke?
     
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  4. user92626

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    I'm not sure. I was thinking in the same line as your 4 position FH which was easy enough.
     
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  5. Bungalo Bill

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    Alright. I can do that.
     
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    BB - who's the goofy foot in your avatar?
     
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  7. Bungalo Bill

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    That is me when I lived on the North Shore of Hawaii in my twenties. That break was right in front of the house we rented on the beach with my friends. I worked for Local Motion Surfboards at the time and the break was called Gas Chambers inbetween Rocky Point and Pupukea. A little ways down from Pupukea was Pipeline.

    After all the waves I surfed in Hawaii for eight years there, I finally got my buddy to take a photo of me surfing. At least I can say I did it right? ;)
     
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  8. revolutionary technique

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    Welcome back. I think you promise to comment on my vid, and were not able to. I will post a new vid tomorrow so you could analyze my latest strokes. Thanks for reminding me.
     
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  9. Bungalo Bill

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    Yes, I remember. Perfect, I will look for it tommorow. Tommorow is a travel day after 3:30pm. So, if I dont comment on it in the day, I will look at it on the weekend.
     
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  10. bad_call

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    too awesome. :)
     
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    Hahaha, yeah, I didnt think like that when I left Oahu. I was sick of the red dirt, the blue sky's, the party nights, the waves, the summers, the winters, and on and on...I was a cranky boy towards the final years there.

    However, now I have a mortgage, kids, job, worries, planes to catch, hotels to stay in, a goofy boss that makes me think he has a screw missing, and the rest of the issues life brings....makes me wonder at times what was I all cranky about? I had beautiful waves, tennis, sunsets, watched some of the best surfing in the world, would play tennis with the Aussies when they came into town, drove a beat-up Volkswagon Bus, partied in Waikiki and surfed in the country.

    Somehow, somewhere, I went wrong. Love my kids and wife though. ;)
     
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  12. Moz

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    Hi BB

    You didn't offer, but I figure I'll ask anyway.

    Could you take a look at the following thread and provide some feedback:

    http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showthread.php?t=292028

    My takeback is pretty ugly but it is working for me, I can't properly evalute the cost / benefit ratio of changing at my ripe old age!

    Thanks in advance if you have the time, if not, no worries.
     
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  13. Bungalo Bill

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    Sure, I saw the length of the threads, so I will post as if giving you new information. If what I said was said before, then just take it with a grain of salt.

    There are a few things right off the bat that I saw that can help you and give you something to practice. :) I will look at it later. I will have to remember whivh post your video was buried, so pop it up or make a separate one if I dont get to it tonight. It means I couldnt find it.
     
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    I think I've played those courts! Which courts are they located? When I was in England I bought all my over-priced gear from ***. ;)

    What's wrong with your left arm Moz? Did you take a bullet in the war? ;)

    You definitely have a runner's build too. Skinny legs just like me.... LOL!

    -Robert
     
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    I didn't know that was you. Cool photo, powerful bottom turn on a heavy wave.
     
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  17. Bungalo Bill

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    Thanks! Sounds like you know something about surfing?
     
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  18. Bungalo Bill

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    Well, I won't comment on your legs except to keep working on keeping those knees bent and rising through the ball. Be careful that you don't over hit and get too excited that you have hit four or more balls in a row. Some players have a tendency to increase swing speed as they rally and then end up overhitting and commiting the error instead of just working on that dependable swing speed that keeps the ball in play.

    FOREHAND ANALYSIS - UPPER BODY

    1. Hitting hand path: On many of the balls you hit, your hand goes down and back, then up, loops, then comes back down and forward. On one stroke it nearly came close to being a hitch but I am not going to go that far because your hand did not stop. Most professional players do not use that hand path. Many of them simply use a C-pattern for their swing. So, the hand goes up and back, then comes down and then forward. One of the benefits in doing this is it allows you to keep your non-dominant hand on the racquet long for racquet stablization and and helps with being consistent with a good shoulder turn and flow. The other thing it does is helps you get your non-dominant arm into the stroke which helps with effortless pace, rythym, and flow.

    2. Non-dominant hand: Your hand should stay longer on the racquet for my reasons above. When you do this, you can turn your shoulders effortlessly and that will help in the angular momentum you create which allows your rotation to go back into the ball and not rotate out of the stroke too soon. I have provided a video for you to see below and compare yourself too. Relaxing more in your upper body (shoulders, arms, hands) will help you here.

    3. Practice: To practice keeping your non-dominant hand on the racquet longer, you can practice a Figure 8 motion in front of the mirror or when you are being fed balls. I would recommend slowing down to a no-brainer feed pace so you are not stressed trying to pick-up on the ball and can concentrate on your arm flow. Basically, you put your hands together rather loosely like as if you are praying (you can also use your racquet especially if you are hitting balls ;) ). Standing in front of the mirror, bring your hands up while you are rotating back, then let your hands go back and up further before coming back down and then repeating on the other side. Start doing a Figure 8 motion without stopping going from one side to the other back and forth. Feel your hands and visualize yourself preparing and then bringing your hands back through the ball. In real hitting, you will be letting go of the racquet with the non-dominant hand and allow it to fold back into your body for extra acceleration through the ball.

    Watch this and then look at yours: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eVZVQMsb1AY&NR=1
     
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  19. aimr75

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    BB, good to see you are back and providing stroke analysis..

    not sure if i should be asking in this thread or to create a thread, but ive been having an issue with my forehand of late...

    Ive developed a bad habit on my forehand follow through where by i am raising my hitting shoulder up higher then my other shoulder, almost sort of exaggerating the follow through (or the low to high) with my shoulder.. ive watched vids of the pros and for the most part ive noticed they keep their shoulders pretty level .. is there anything i should take note of or do to alleviate this?
     
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  20. Bungalo Bill

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    Hey thanks.

    Are you angling the front shoulder so that the shoulders are still on the same plane? Or just raising (scrunching) your front shoulder?
     
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  21. VaBeachTennis

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    Nice thread BB.................Much respect to you.

    Here's a guy that's obviously qualified to teach, offering his no B.S. opinion for free............ no fluff, no B.S., just a qualified opinion and analysis. No snake oil B.S., just good tennis instruction.............................
     
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  22. Bungalo Bill

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    Thanks, I appreciate that.
     
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  23. Bungalo Bill

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    Take this to the slice backhand study thread I am working on and we can talk about it.
     
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  24. Ano

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    BB, just want to thank you again.

    Your contribution to this forum is very much appreciated.

    Whenever I have a free time, I read your old posts, and damn, I honestly think that most your posts are very helpful and informative.

    Thanks for taking the time to help us.

    Regards,


    Ryano.
     
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  25. Bungalo Bill

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    Thanks Ano, I am glad they help.
     
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    i think for the most part i am more so scrunching the shoulder not on plane..
     
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  28. Bungalo Bill

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    Several things could be happening:

    1. You are simply overhitting. Relax and just make contact with the ball with good timing. Accelerate decently through the ball and extend. Flow with the shot, don't try to kill the ball all the time.

    2. You are not confident with your timing in hitting a ball.

    3. Hitting late sometimes causes this bad habit. It is because you tense up real quick in the arm and shoulder to brace for the impact and to get the racquet going real quick.
     
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    Hi Robert

    It's St. Neots in Cambridgeshire. Just had surgery on my left hand and a skin graft on my arm - or were you being cheeky about my technique?!!

    I have lost over 14lbs since I started running seriously again - unfortunately even the runners laugh at my skinny legs!

    Thanks for taking the time Bill. Everything is understood and I'll give it a go as it sounds as though it will be worthwhile.

    I tried something like that a couple of weeks ago and had good success at short stuff but was late on all the deep stuff. That should come with time though. Thanks again.
     
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    Oh, ok. You seemed to be holding it out oddly. Hope that is progressing nicely. I was being a bit cheeky, yes. ;)

    No, I haven't been to Cambridgeshire, though ***'s main store is about half way between your club and my old club in Crawley.

    -Robert
     
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    Hey Bill. I just posted a similar question in anther thread, but basically I want to video myself for anaylsis and want to know the best way to set up the camera? What height, angle, depth, etc? Should I play a few points or stand in the same spot and show you basic strokes? thanks

    Jack
     
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  34. Bungalo Bill

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    Being late is normal. You are thinking a bit too much. Keep working on it with a slow feed or in the mirror till it is brainless stuff. Do it and feel your body move kinetic energy around. You should feel your hips and legs wanting to get involved.

    You should feel your rythym improving and your breathing being more relaxed. When you sense your muscle throughout your body flowing with the Figure 8, head to the courts, put it on a slow feed and get it down there. Soon, you will feel it in your normal groundstrokes.

    Give it six months. One month to understand what to do, and six months to engrain it to where you wouldnt know what to do without it.
     
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  35. Bungalo Bill

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    Oh boy, camera huh? Well, that is not my expertise and would need you to post or ask people in the know about this. I think the best position is from an angle like net post to center mark. Sometimes filming from behind helps as well. I can help with the stroke though. :)

    Any camera people here that can help Jack?
     
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    ^^^ no need to talk about my left hand on the bh as i just read your comments about that on the other thread. will try your suggestion
     
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  38. Bungalo Bill

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    I will look at them when I get home. Right now, I am in Idaho Falls on an audit. We have one more week to go but am flying to Boise tonight. When I get home, I will most likely be exhausted (as I am now and goofing off) but will probably throw some darts and drink some beers with the guys tonight. Of course, I will kiss the kids, kiss the wife and accept my honey-do list with gladness for tommorow. :)

    So, let me recoup, get my brain out of the fog of numbers and negotiations with management and I can sitback, get a cup of coffee, load your vids on my two big screens and begin my analysis in the comfort of my own home. hahaha
     
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  39. Bungalo Bill

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    As Archie Bunker said, "those were the days". Lots of parties, surfing, danger, bar hopping, beachcombing, beach volleyball, and all.

    Funnest part of the time there is I lived with some Aussies and they played excellent tennis. Great volleyers too. We surfed and played tennis, then we went to work making surfboards at night.

    You got to love that. I just got tired of it and wanted to "be all I could be". So, I got a job. Life ended at that point in time. lol
     
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    I just emailed this to your wife ;). :twisted:
     
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    In the 10 years on and off I've been coming on here bb has never responded to any of my questions. to be fair i've never asked him either.
     
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  42. Bungalo Bill

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    Hahaha, but you need to also put in that email that I "gladly" accept my honey do lists.
     
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    i just emaled this to your wife:):). now you know who your friends are:mrgreen:
     
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  44. Bungalo Bill

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    There you go...that should neutralize the ensuing attack.
     
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  45. Bungalo Bill

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    Just ask! :)
     
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    Hey, BB, welcome back. You did comment on a thread I made asking for critique, however I do believe you were just responding to something someone else said. If you wouldn't mind, could you give me a few pointers?

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nwcMt_zhMCw (prolly one of my worst hitting days I've ever had, IMO one of the best times to get coaching)

    I have already fixed my unit turn somewhat (it looks pretty ugly in the video), and I am starting to get more of a relaxed, whippy swing, but I would really appreciate any tips or comments you had: you are a TTW Legend!

    Thanks man!
     
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  47. teppeiahn1

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    I dont have a video but may I ask?

    1. Should I work 2wice as hard on my backhand side as forehand because I have the topspin and slice. To me that makes scence in some way also because it is my weaker side.

    2. I play with an open player who has heavy lefty slice serve. any tips on geting them back?
     
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  48. Cody

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    Hey Bungalow Bill,

    I saw you post in another thread so i though you might be able to analyse my videos.

    Here is my serve: http://www.vimeo.com/6717158

    Here are some of my groundstrokes: http://www.vimeo.com/6938115

    You have posted in one of my threads before a while ago when i was hitting against the wall if that is anything to go on.

    You can't analyze it now it is fine but you you need some more info just ask.

    Thanks, Cody
     
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  49. Bungalo Bill

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    Good eye Cody! Yes, I have time. Let me look at them.
     
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  50. Bungalo Bill

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    Sure, I am watching football, so I can look.
     
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