Technique adjustment

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  1. Hewex

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    Thanks Lee...I'll try the lowering my torso part and stepping in more on some balls. You're right in that I didn't do that. I am working on my rally ball, more consistancy is needed. For, I hit that last 6 or so balls as hard or harder than I ever hit my old fh. So, it's good to know that the pace still isn't quite there yet.
     
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  2. Hewex

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    Correct, I'm trying to focus on this one shot. A consistant fh with more spin, pace and depth. I know the early balls in this video look pretty weak, but it's the last 10 or so that I hit the way I want to. It's a shot I can duplicate and I am liking the results so far. I need to continue to perfect it though, adding more pace and spin.
     
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  3. Hewex

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    Lee,

    My biggest issue has been lack of consistancy when it comes to the FH. Yes, lack of pace was part of that too. From what you are saying, even when I feel like I am killing the ball at the end of the vid, they still look soft. I see where you are going on swinging faster. Thanks for the feedback my friend. I am loving the new grip. Just need to take advantage of it to its fullest.
     
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  4. Hewex

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    Thanks Dozu!

    Great point about the tension in my arm. I'll work on that this weekend. Also, that visual is helpful as well. Thanks for the help, I'm trying to avoid becoming one of your "old dogs", LOL!
     
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    You're correct...I gave up the thought of fixing what I had and have started over. Taking a more modern approach adding spin, pace and depth all together. Even though I have a long way to go, I have already noticed big changes in my fh results.
     
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    Thanks! I love using the slice fh on approaches, always catches the other guy off guard.
     
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    I read that you are hitting with a ball machine and i never played with one so i can't comment about prep. if there is one thing i like htting with the live person is because i can read their movements and prepare for the next shot so this might be the challenge in this video but i am not sure.

    Anyway i watched the video, i can see that you are doing some shoulder turns but you are arming the ball and like what other people said you are a bit high. your follow through is still not consistent. i see you jumping

    Some pointers
    1. better shoulder turn- after using your left arm to push the racket back keep it parallel with the baseline and keep it straght until your are ready to hit the ball, this is the standard for the proper shoulder turn in the forehand.
    2. you tend to keep your non dominant arm on the side and really low. both your arms should sway together that at the end of your swing your nondominant hand is right beside your left shoulder waiting to catch the neck of the racket. this is the windshield wiper shot and it will force you to extend the elbow of your hitting arm and do a full shoulder turn
    3. bend your knees, they are too straight. my instructor told me this secret the stance in tennis is like a skier, keep your self low, if you stand up you fall.

    4. also you seem a bit tight, do some stretchings on the side, and dedicate atleast half hour to an hour of stetching everyday. it will keep you limber and your limbs will be like whips.
     
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  8. Hewex

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    Thanks for the feedback Chenx! I'll work on those suggestions this weekend.
     
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    Hewex,

    Watched your vid, and I'm surprised some of the other (really good) technicians here did not comment on what jumped out at me. You're hitting consistently off your back foot! And lifting your front foot off the ground and swinging it around on the follow through. This forces your center of gravity back - you can see a backwards lean at contact - greatly reducing power and putting a high trajectory on the ball. I find that when I really pound a ball I pull the stick back and rotate the shoulders, and as the ball comes into the zone, I lean into it and uncoil, and follow through with all my weight on the forward foot and my back foot coming off the ground. Lean into the ball and enjoy the feeling of a well pounded ball!
     
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    Wow, you're right. Thanks for the catch!!! I can't wait to try that out.
     
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  11. LeeD

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    Personally, I would never try to correct a guy using the "spanish" technique of loading the backfoot exclusively and pounding off it.
    Nadal
    Verdasco
    Ferrer
    Monfils
    and plenty other's hit almost every rally ball off the backfoot with most of the weight on the back foot....
     
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    Keep in mind, a reverse pivot, where you have your weight on your back foot and you rotate within the stroke with your left foot moving back--for right-handed forehand--and you are transfering your weight back to this now-back foot...you are essentially bringing (rotating) your hitting shoulder into the shot even while your weight may be shifting and moving back.

    We see a lot of the clay court trained players hit this way since it is an effective way to hit balls that are bouncing higher and the player is moving back for forehands.

    I'm not arguing this is better than any other forehand footwork pattern, but it is a viable one from this aspect. (Similar to the transverse weight transfer of an open stance forehand except that the weight instead of moving laterally, moves from front to back.)
     
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    Wow, thanks for all the recent posts. Lots of great insight and valuable tips to take to my next practice session.
     
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    Love this! LOL

    I'd like to, only I can't keep more than 2 fh's on the court before I miss. Or I couldn't use to. I've been working on it and next time I play I'll know more.
     
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    I agree with you guys (who definitely have more insight into technique than I) that hitting off the back foot is a viable technique, but for the OP's original problem of lack of forehand power, I have found that transferring weight forward is a nice easy way to accomplish that. I do hit off the back foot when necessary for deep fast high balls, but I find that for my level it is tough to do with precision and power...often these shots go high and right just like the OP's vid...
     
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    Thanks for the comment!

    When I started, I thought I could adjust my old technique. I've come to the conclusion that getting more consistancy through spin and adding power through better technique needed to be the goal. So, I started the process of learning a fh from scratch starting with a big grip change. I seriously had trouble keeping more than 3 fh's in during a rally and none of those could really be "hit" due to my lack of topspin.

    A couple things....a lot has been posted about hitting off the back foot. Some think it's not a good thing, others think it's ok. I'm not really sure how to approach that. There is a lot of information on this thread and it will take me a while to sift through it. But, it seems like I am losing pop by falling backwards. I'm using more spin than ever though, which I love. There is a perfect storm in there somewhere and I just need to find it.

    On the balls flying right and high. The camera was sitting much lower than I was. I did mishit some balls way out, but many balls were hitting on the baseline or just out. The ball machine was in the center of the court, and I was aiming to the right of it, up the line. That's why the balls were going right. I hope that makes sense.

    Again, great stuff and lots of food for thought.
     
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    Sounds like you and I are in the same boat as far as our age and returning to this wonderful game after a long layoff. I'm just commenting on things I have noticed as I tinker and re-develop my technique. Leaning back off the ball definitely makes it easier to put topspin on the ball, but I find it hard to generate that nice penetrating shot. I have to do it, though, when I move back to hit, especially on a ball with pace, because it's hard to reset and then transfer weight forward. Leaning into the ball is maybe a misnomer because it can sometimes cause a downward tilt, which usually results in a netball. Rather it is more of a transfer of weight into the swing, and if anything is a transfer forward and UP - this give me a penetrating topspin shot. Anyways, the main thing is enjoy the process of discovery, and good luck on your journey!
     
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    Interesting....I think I lean back because I had hit the ball so flat in the past, and I had to figure out a way to get it over the net. There is likely less need to do that now, with the grip change and technique in progress changes. It's likely a bad habit that I'll have to try and unlearn. Before now, the only way I could put pace on the ball was to step it and hit it really flat, I mean Jimmy Connors T-2000 flat. Now, I'm getting some jump on the back end with the top spin. As Lee mentioned, my shots are more rally balls than anything, but I can see the difference from where I was.

    That's great that you've come back to the game too. You're so right about the journey being fun. I look forward to hearing about your progress. Thanks for taking time to comment!
     
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    Western forehand, two different techniques.
    Rallyball you have.
    To flatten it out, karate chop flat onto the ball, level prep with expected ball bounce. Karate chop with your palm facing up at the sky.
     
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  21. GuyClinch

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    Well I dunno if everyone will agree with me...

    But I think you are focusing too much on your finish - trying to make it all 'modern'. As a result you aren't swinging through the ball as much as you should be.

    You want to get alot more shoulder turn - and swing through the ball alot more. I'd advise going old school and catching the racquet too.

    As others have posted if you really swing up at the ball and have that 'doornob' style wrist action you will achieve a modern finish without forcing it.

    As Yandell pointed out in his modern forehand thread - pros can dial up different forehands for the situation - whether adding in more WW effect (with the forearm) or more uppercut effect (like on a lob) - or swinging through the ball more..

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FrZXReLNU1c&feature=related

    I think a forehand like this is an easier transistion - less forearm - more old school finish.

    I'd also recommend watching the Chuck Kriese Power tennis videos (Youtube) which really gets at the difference between modern and old school tennis better then almost any other video I have seen.
     
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  22. Hewex

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    Guy,

    Thanks so much for taking a look at my video and for the feedback. I watched the berdych vid and he seems to have such a simple fh. I'd love to have something even close to looking like that. My goal right now is to develop a solid rally fh. I'm willing to put in the time and make changes. I want something I can take a moderate cut at. I want to generate enough spin to keep it in the court and be able to keep avoid excessive errors. Swinging up on the ball isn't something I do naturally I guess. It's only in the past few weeks that I have really focused on that thought, which has helped a lot. I always just assumed I was doing it, but videos don't lie.


    It seems like my best results are coming from focusing on....

    Swinging up and across the ball, and accelerating the racquet through the ball. But, I still struggle with doing these things consistantly

    Everyone seems to be on the same page with my lack of shoulder turn. I have a lot of work to do on that. Even when I think I am doing it, my videos show I am not. It's pretty frustrating.

    I did used to catch my fh in my left hand, and am not sure why I stopped doing that. But, that's a good tip going forward.

    I watched the first Chuck Kriese video. Thanks for the recommendation. Very interesting and helpful for a guy like me who started playing with wood. I look really forward to watching the rest of them.

    Thanks again for the help!
     
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