Tennis Balls Replacement

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  1. RogerRacket111

    RogerRacket111 Semi-Pro

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    I play USTA matches when I play long matches the one can per match can affect the level of play. Especially on a slow rough court where get fluffed up and worn out. I have had balls go out flat on me. I have even lost balls in my indoor courts.

    Do you think USTA should allow a new can to be opened at the player(s) choice? What do you guys think ?

    Also should they have USTA approved balls only I normally play Penns and I hate playing other balls like Dunlop.
     
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  2. J_R_B

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    If both players agree and you open a new can, who's going to know the difference?
     
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  3. mikeler

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    Some places will give you another can of balls if you play a 3rd set. Can't hurt to ask.
     
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  4. J011yroger

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    Especially on wet clay, after a few games the balls are whomped.

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  5. tennis tom

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    Well there's your problem, Penn balls are krap. If you'd play with the Dunlops, especially the Grand Prix, you wouldn't need to open a new can. After two sets in Senior Tournaments, they give you a new can.
     
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  6. Nellie

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    In my section, you have to play with Penn balls. I think the section gets some money from Head/Penn for the junior programs.

    Regarding the ball, there are specific rules about ball changes. It may seem petty, but it is a big advantage for a hard hitter to use new balls, whereas a slice and dice player will crush you with dead balls.
     
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    A ball change at the end of the second set is a permissable time for the ball change.
     
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  8. darrinbaker00

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    In every USTA tournament I've ever played, be it NTRP or Senior, we got new balls if we split sets.
     
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  9. West Coast Ace

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    To each his or her own. I have the best luck with Penns. But after two long sets, no balls are worth squat... glad to hear introducing newbies is ok.
     
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  10. RogerRacket111

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    Old balls start favoring a pusher. I wish I could just get some fresh balls when they get worn out at the end of each set. Normally home team provides the balls in USTA league matches. Any additional balls should come out of the player who is requesting it or some mutual way. We sell more tennis balls and we get rid of the pushers its a win-win.

    As far as Dunlops go I find that they are heavy. I think people like it because it last longer. It is to each his own.
     
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  11. tennis tom

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    How much heavier can they be, maybe an ounce? I think by heavier you mean harder. Maybe it's time to go to the gym and do some bench-presses. Dunlops, especially the Grand Prix, are a much better quality ball. They have much better quality control. Penn's compared to a Dunlop, are seconds. Penns have those ear's sticking on them and un-even seams. Recently they started airing them down to slow down the game, they barely bounce anymore. In this day of "eco-awareness", (not me), you can use the Dunlops easily twice as long as the krap Penns, and then you can throw them in your practice basket. They will stay hard for weeks longer than the Penns.

    The problem of, "to each his own", is when you play in a tournament, you don't get to choose your ammo, the tournament director chooses and the ball varies a lot from tournament to tournament. It's smart to find out what kind of ball the tournament is played with and practice with those ahead of time. And also pull out the singles sticks if you're playing singles.
     
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  12. RogerRacket111

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    @Tennis Tom: Why getting so worked up over Dunlops? If I had to play with a ball for weeks I would guess you are the one who is playing doubles. Any set of good tennis balls played singles on hard courts last only for a few hours. I mean hard singles not sissy singles like u play.

    If your really worried about the environment do what I do actually recycle the balls. http://www.rebounces.com/

    Or give the ball to your an old lady I mean your girl friend who can put it on her walker while you do your knee push ups.

    Stop assuming I play doubles. Now go back do some push ups to impress your old lady.
     
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  13. tennis tom

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    I'm not worked up at all, but it sounds like you are. I'm just stating my views learned from many years of experience. If you don't care to listen carry-on, maybe others will benefit from the knowledge.

    I made NO assumptions as to whether you play doubles or singles, I play both.

    You have shown yourself to be an arrogant agest--do you insult your parents and grand parents the same as you have insulted me you little whipper-snapper? You should be ashamed of yourself.

    Well go about ******* away your trust fund on inferior tennis balls, see if I give a hoot, it's your allowance.
     
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    Man, control yourself, it is not cool to lose your rag this way.
     
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  15. RogerRacket111

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    Sorry he started it :) He insinuated that I needed to do push ups and I need to play singles. I guess getting back to work after a long weekend can do that to you. The :evil: side came out
     
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  16. tennis tom

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    OK truce, and just when it was strarting to be fun, darn it! Actualy, I'm not a senior, I'm 12 years old but home-schooled, and learn a lot by reading the internert--and I stayed at a Holiday Inn Express last night.
     
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  17. Taxvictim

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    All regulation tennis balls have to weigh between 1.975 ounces and 2.035 ounces... a possible variation of only an eighth of an ounce.
     
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  18. MAX PLY

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    In most tournaments I play, if the players split sets, new balls are usually supplied. As for me, new balls are a big advantage for my game on most surfaces and I usually bring a couple of cans of whatever the tournament is using and offer to change if I split sets just in case. In the end analysis, it really depends on the ball used and the condition of the courts. If the cheapie Penn ball is used on rough hard courts, you are virtually playing with a rubber ball by the end of the second set--if it is a better ball, say a Wilson USO or Pro Penn, the degradation is not typically as severe.
     
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  19. JavierLW

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    There is no rule that says you cant open a new can if everyone agrees on it.

    If I won the 2nd set though and it goes into a 3rd set I would not agree on it. (you dont want to change anything in that situation)

    And it is the rule that you have to use USTA approved balls for league play. But those include Dunlop, Penn, Wilson, Prince, K3, etc... (check out itftennis.com)
     
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  20. jc4.0

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    Clay or hard court balls

    One more question - sometimes our league opponents bring hard court balls instead of clay court balls, even when playing on a clay court. Is there much of a difference - so should we insist on balls designed for that surface? We play on both clay and hard during the season.
     
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  21. mikeler

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    ^ I would insist that the correct balls be used per surface.
     
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  22. Tarboro

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    If you win, it makes absolutely no difference. If you lose, it was the defining factor of the match.
     
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  23. bodieq

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    /\ Very true.

    In all the USTA tournaments I play, they always give you a new can of balls before starting the 3rd set. However, if the format is no 3rd set (i.e. super tie-break instead), then no new can.
     
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  24. dizzlmcwizzl

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    In almost every match I have ever played, I felt like new balls would be to my advantage. Every time we go to a 3rd set I always offer to crack a new can and I can count on one hand the numbers of times the opponent actually agreed. They realize new balls are in my favor as well and most folks are not that stupid.

    I wish default of the rule was that a new can must be oppened to start set three unless both players agreed not to.

    And as far as balls are concerned I love the slazenger wimbledon balls. I feel like they always kick up high on the serve and dont force me to bend my knees as much ... a win / win.
     
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  25. amarone

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    Who provides the balls in your leagues? In Atlanta the home team provides the balls and if the home team wins, they are given a new set of balls by the opponents. That way, the home team can ensure that they have the right type for the match. I don't have any clay-court balls, and most seasons I don't need them as there are not that many clay courts. If I lose at a clay venue and give them hard-court balls, it is not an issue as they will play most of their away matches on clay and so will have much more need of hard-court balls than vice versa.
     
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  26. tennis tom

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    I agree the Slazengers are a great ball, but, if I pulled them out, in my neck of the woods, known for it's "diversity", I would be looked at with suspicion. Instead of appreciating what a real tennis ball looks like, they are ball xenophobic, and demand to play with the Costco Penns.

    I opened a can of Dunlop Gran Prix's, a couple of years ago, while playing with the heir to the club's ownership throne and, he flipped out demandeding we use Penn's. I told him, "If he didn't like mine he could open a can of his own". Of course, he didn't bring any balls, and was forced to play with the Dunlops, bytching the whole time about how heavy they were, (he should talk!).

    I'm pleased to see that the in between grade Dunlops are starting to gain some acceptance as a compromise between the Penns and the Gran Prix's. They're the ones with the all black lettering.

    I find most club players don't have any idea what number is on the balls they are playing with. When they hit them onto the neighboring court, they can't tell them which number ball is their's. They usually try their darndest not to have to open a can of balls, stalling around, by arriving late, or if shamed into supplying balls, pulling out some that have been open for months, they fished out of the recycling bin.

    If someone is decent enough to open a new can of balls, I always try to make a point at the end of the match of thanking them. It's amazing what-cheap skates people can become over a can of balls that only costs $1.99 on sale. I have played with some players who become truly OCD if I open a 4-ball can which is the norm in Europe and just starting to take-off here.

    If I'm playing with the Costco Penns, I often receive for Christmas or birthday presents, I'll open two cans with the same number just to get rid of them quicker, before they go stale. With six balls, we'll be able to hit balls rather than be picking them up all the time. The OCD types, who actually object to this, are the same "players" who spray the ball all over, and can't hit two balls to the same spot to save their life in the warm-up. Through some quirk of fate, those framers become winners when the score is being kept. These players are the same ones who quickly turn their back's on a ball they hit into the far corners of the universe, (in an act of denial that it was them), thus losing track of the ball. If they hit it over the fence, they never volunteer to retrieve it.

    The Roland Garros balls are a great ball too!

    Sorry for the rant on balls but I just got carried away, the thread had something to do with balls didn't it?
     
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  27. bcart1991

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    That's ALTA, not USTA.
     
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