Tennis Channel - The 100 GOAT : 1, Roger Federer. 2, Rod Laver. 5, Pete Sampras.

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  1. forzamilan90

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    One cannot put men and women in the same list of greatest players ever. Women chase their own history and records, men chase their own history and records on their tour.
     
  2. Kenshin

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    I like reading your posts because many of your posts seems fair and balanced but I think it is better to separate men's and woman's ranking list because it gets too compicated. Even you separate men's and woman's ranking we are still having a debate who is better than who.
     
  3. granddog29

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    I agree. They should have had seperate lists and not be compared. Since they chose not to though Graf should have been #1 (even though I like Laver far more than Graf).
     
  4. Graf1stClass

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    in her prime? obviously.
     
  5. bullfan

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    I think that it was purposefully done to ensure viewers watch to see where their faves landed. Had it been separated into 2 different groups, there may not have been as much interest in both series. Personally, I liked that they mixed it up.
     
  6. THUNDERVOLLEY

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    Does she need to beat them?
     
  7. TMF

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    Federer is considered the greatest grass court player of all time. At the end of 2012, compare him to Sampras at the exact same age, Roger:

    *have more grass titles
    *more finals
    *better win/loss record at Wimbledon
    *more dominant-faced fewer 5 setters
    *won more matches in 3 sets despite facing more top 10 players

    Federer doesn't need the 5 consecutive Wimbledon to his credit to top Sampras. He simply has better numbers.

    Top 10 greatest grass court player:

    1. Federer
    2. Sampras
    3. Borg
    4. JMac
    5. Becker
    6. Laver
    7. Connors
    8. Edberg
    9. Nadal
    10. Renshaw
    http://www.rankopedia.com/Best-grass-court-tennis-player-ever-(male)/Step1/2869/.htm



    Top AO performers:
    1. Federer
    2. Nole
    3. Agassi

    While Nole has 3 consecutive wins, but he lacks in other areas. Fed won both in different surfaces, won the AO without dropping a set(only Rosewall has done it), and has an additional final.
     
  8. Graf1stClass

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    i mean, she easily can since they sucked in their twilights and graf won fed's worst slam as her last
     
  9. TMF

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    Using that theory one must accept the following players as GOAT:

    1. Don Budge 1938
    2. Maureen Connolly 1953
    3. Rod Laver 1962 and 1969
    4. Margaret Smith Court 1970
    5. Steffi Graf 1988


    The rest of the players in the past 100 years are excluded from goat because the lack of CYGS.
     
  10. Graf1stClass

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    seems legit.
     
  11. BrooklynNY

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    There it is. Bang Bang.
     
  12. BobbyOne

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    Mustard, Yes. That list is the worst I have read in 40 years of tennis reading!
     
  13. BobbyOne

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    TMF, Grass courters: Laver 6th and Rosewall excluded is clueless.
     
  14. THUNDERVOLLEY

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    Well, it is the Tennis Channel--which is to legitimate tennis analysis what People magazine is to fine art.

    ...you know what that means...
     
  15. Graf1stClass

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    graf is a much better grass court player than federer. navratilova is a greater one too.
     
  16. TheTruth

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    You are so good. Seriously. Are you a writer?
     
  17. tennissportsrog

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    A retirement player's fan makes blindness amplify.


    boring.
     
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  18. THUNDERVOLLEY

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    Thank you! At the moment, i'll leave the profession in the mystery column...
     
  19. AngieB

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    Helen Wills Moody #29 and Margaret Court #9 and Serena outside the top 10. Lord Jesus and Mary in heaven. Did some production assistant born in 1987 make this list?

    AngieB
     
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  20. AngieB

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    When assessing tennis history, there is no such thing as "too old" or "tragedy" exclusions. Advice to younger fans in tennis, the sport of tennis wasn't created last decade. Take this opportunity to educate yourselves about the sport.

    AngieB
     
  21. AngieB

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    No more than Rafael Nadal or Roger Federer could revolutionize and change the sport like Billie Jean King has. Don't go there.

    AngieB
     
  22. THUNDERVOLLEY

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    Do not hold your breath on that one; they believe the Tennis Channel and Wikipedia are all the "Tennis EDU" they need, which leads to threads where a player of questionable status is turned into a false "god" figure.
     
  23. Omega_7000

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    Your false "God" Nadal will never be the GOAT. He does not a CYGS...Laver has two.

    Laver >>> Nadal. Deal with it.
     
  24. TheTruth

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    I just love the way that you write. It's inspiring to me.
     
  25. Backspin1183

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    100% agree. Beating up on poor Fed and Djokovic and Murray and others only make him the greatest of his time. NOT Greatest of all time!
     
  26. tennissportsrog

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    A retirement player's fan makes blindness amplify.

    boring.
     
  27. Bud

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    And Federer above Graf!

    Graf beats Federer in nearly every category :confused:
    CYGGS (1) 1988
    Majors won (22) in 31 finals
    Titles (107)
    Weeks at #1 (377)
    8x YE #1
    2x Fed Cup titles
    Dominating rivals
    Winning every major at least 4x (7x Wimbledon)
    Career matches played (1017)
    Career matches won (902)
    Overall winning percentage at 902-115 (89%)
    10 years in her career with over 90% winning percentage
    Longevity (won at least 1 major for 10 consecutive years)

    Someone give me one good reason why Federer is above Graf on this list? :?
     
  28. Phoenix1983

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    TV is Jonathan Franzen.
     
  29. forzamilan90

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    and the topic at hand is sports
     
  30. Bud

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    The fact he is male is not a good reason :)

    The records and accomplishments of Graf put her in a class of her own - regardless of gender.
     
  31. TMF

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    Yes, and WTA accomplishments are the same as the NBA.:rolleyes:
     
  32. THUNDERVOLLEY

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    Check the avatar, little one.

    Yeah, not too smooth on your part.
     
  33. THUNDERVOLLEY

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    The amusing part of Fed defenders' eternal pain is that removing Graf does not move Federer to the GOAT position. He's not Laver, so it is back to his deserved position.
     
  34. Graf1stClass

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    your saltiness is palpable.
     
  35. TMF

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    Not that sane fans would agree, but if one is to believe the WTA = ATP, then one must agree WNBA = NBA.
     
  36. THUNDERVOLLEY

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    ...born of sexism, and the need to find any way possible to protect Federer--who is not a GOAT whether Graf is considered, or not.
     
  37. Goosehead

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    it is a good reason, because if Federer played graf Federer would always win..in terms of the best tennis player between the two..Federer is..

    but you could argue graf is a better female player in comparison to federers acheivments as a male..like some folk would say 22 slams over 17 slams means graf is goat.

    but a Federer v graf match would be federers all day long.
     
  38. Bud

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    Duh

    However, we're talking about their career accomplishments playing their respective genders. If you look at the list, there are women ranked higher than men. So, the list is about gender-specific career achievements. Graf accomplished much more than Federer.
     
  39. TMF

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    What is your problem ?

    Winning the slam in the atp is 10 times harder than winning in the wta. It's no secret that experts value Federer 17 more than Graf 22, including other achievements.
     
  40. THUNDERVOLLEY

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    Once again, we see some baseless value applied to the level of effort in sport. No different than false percentages tied to support of a certain player. Pure, unsubstantiated fantasy.
     
  41. tennisaddict

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    Some are blinded by Fed Hatred. You can't do much about it. They will bring everyone from Tilden, Rosewall to Taylor Townsend and Eugenie Bouchard into the discussion and find a way to discredit Fed.

    You cannot fault them. If a person you hate is so insanely great, it does hurt ego really really bad.
     
  42. Safinator_1

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    It is silly to rank men and women players together, it cannot be measured one is from x and one is from y.

    There should only be 1 list for men and 1 for women, any idea when they will release a new list as obviously this one is outdated.
     
  43. LuckyR

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    Serena below Don Budge? She could probably beat Don Budge head to head...

    garbage in, garbage out...
     
  44. forzamilan90

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    List is a few years old, and Budge would crush her regardless!
     
  45. Finisterre

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    Debating about Rivalry Sampras-Agassi i think Agassi is the better player from the baseline..Agassi is a pure ball striker with better timing..He hit the ball very early on the rise..i think agassi backhand is better too..what do you think about?
     
  46. ripitup

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    Better from the baseline? Probably. Sampras though is by far the better overall player. Light years better 1st and 2nd serve, light years better overall athlete, far better mover, way better at the net, way better transitioning to the net, a better returner than Agassi is a server (and likewise a better server than Agassi is a returner), and who can rally with and even beat Agassi at his own baseline game too. Agassi in fact was petrified of getting into forehand rallies with Sampras, which means even in his own domain, his own options became limited.
     
  47. Finisterre

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    yes better overall player but i've this insane belief that Sampras forehand nowdays doesn't have the same efficacy that had at the time..Do you think Sampras forehand would schocked Nadal on the rally?On the contrary i think Agassi forehand with incredible angle and hitting clean would damaged Nadal more..Pure power of the sampras forehand or Agassi angles with unpredictable sense of direction versus Nadal?
    i think Nadal forehand is devstating weapon more than forehand of Agassi or sampras..
    What do you think man?
     
  48. abmk

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    lol, Nadalagassi, even after 8-9 years or so, haven't you given up on the delusion that agassi was wait, 'petrified', of sampras' FH ? :lol:

    And agassi won the majority of the baseline battles with sampras, reality. Even in matches like 95 USO which sampras won.

    Just because sampras won some crucial, spectacular points from the baseline doesn't mean he wasn't clearly inferior to agassi from the baseline.
     
  49. TMF

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    If Agassi isn't better than Sampras from the baseline then how does he managed to beat him 14 times. I think he believe Agassi out serve and out volley Sampras are the reasons why he beat him 14 times. Haha
     
  50. Finisterre

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    yes better overall player but i've this insane belief that Sampras forehand nowdays doesn't have the same efficacy that had at the time..Do you think Sampras forehand would schocked Nadal on the rally?On the contrary i think Agassi forehand with incredible angle and hitting clean would damaged Nadal more..Pure power of the sampras forehand or Agassi angles with unpredictable sense of direction versus Nadal?
    i think Nadal forehand is devstating weapon more than forehand of Agassi or sampras..
    What do you think man?
     

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