Tennis Elbow Secrets Revealed?

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  1. pureshot

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    Well my sports career maybe over. I have had Tennis elbow for 4 weeks and it's not getting any better with rest.

    I came across this book that claims to have solved the problem, called "Tennis Elbow Secrets Revealed."

    Has anyone tried this program/book with any success?

    http://www.tenniselbowtips.com/index.htm

    I do believe exercise and stretching has more hope that not.

    Thanks.
     
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  2. pureshot

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    Found this response on yahoo

    "Dear Tennis Community,
    I want to warn others not to waste your time or money w/ "Tennis Elbow Secrets Revealed" by Geoff Hunt. Apparently Mr. Hunt has all the answers to "Tennis Elbow" UNTIL you ask him REAL questions!! Repeatedly I have sent detailed correspondence to Mr. Hunt asking him to defend or explain the contradictions in his procedures as identified my doctor (who believes Mr. Hunts approach would actually make my condition worse). No response!! Oh sure I get a daily barrage of emails from Mr. Hunt asking me if I am crazy for waiting so long to buy his system!! I finally became so incensed by Mr. Hunt’s arrogance and lack of credibility I felt compelled to post my experiences anywhere I can to help others. Upon further investigation I could not find any credentials Mr. Hunt achieved which would make him the least bit credible on the subject. My conclusion is obvious. He uses scare tactics on his customers, professes to have all the answers (yet no degrees or training), assimilates a used car salesmen mentality, yet when challenged Mr. Hunt hides behind his computer screen. I suspect you will draw the same conclusion as I did….run away!!"
     
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  3. SlapShot

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    TE doesn't go away in 4 weeks. I had a MILD case that lasted 6 months, and I will still have a tender elbow if I play 3 days in a row.

    Honestly, the best cure is patience, stretching, Aleve when you work out, and icing after you get done working out. But the biggest help is patience - ensure that you give your body time to recover.

    Also - what racquet and string are you using? You may want to switch to a more flexible racquet or more arm friendly strings in order to play through the TE.
     
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    pureshot, a lot of it has to do with the stiffness of the racket and type of string you use, also grip size as well.
     
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    There are no magic secrets to healing soft tissue injuries. There are long lists of things to do that work better for some people and not so well for others. Start moving on the list (you can search this forum). Also, Marius Hancu on this board seems to have compiled quite a list. (Another TE sufferer.) Mine took six months, change to soft racquets and strings, 2 handed backhand, ice massage, PT, Arnica cream, etc... No anti-inflammatories though!
     
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    I found that taking an ibuprofen before a workout prevents the pain during and actually helps the joint heal because the inflammation is reduced while strengthening the joint.

    There was actually an article posted on here about playing through pain, and the doctors recommend taking some sort of anti-inflammatory before working out, and they also recommend working out lightly through the injury to maintain strength and flexibility in the joint.
     
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    It's all about the mechanics, namely, keeping your arm straight and not moving your wrist on contact when doing a 1HBH. I too suffered from TE but after evaluating my mechanics, I found out what was wrong. After a couple of months of rest and re-grooving my strokes, my TE is now gone. So much that I actually use poly strings on my racquets now.

    I never had GE but I found that the modern double-bend FH relieves a lot of the stress on the elbow.
     
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    IMO, taking painkillers like Advil (ibufrofen) and Aleve (naproxen sodium) before a match, while effective, only masks the symptoms and never deals with the real underlying cause of the problem. Until that cause is dealt with (see my post above), you'll never be free from taking these drugs.
     
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    I have found, as have a lot of doctors (articles and PT advice) that taking an anti-inflammatory helps reduce swelling of the tendons during and after athletic activity, which aids the body in recovering from a soft tissue injury.

    I agree that mechanics need to be addressed, but it is generally agreed that you should work lightly through an injury rather than not working the joint at all, and in order to do that, sometimes you need an anti-inflammatory to reduce the pain and discomfort.
     
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    Hey pureshot, can you explain some of the ways this book is supposed to cure tennis elbow?
     
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    Hey guys, I dunno if I have TE. I have mild pains, they don't hurt, but you can say that. Weird aching sensations near my elbow. I don't have trouble lifting stuff, and turning doorknobs of some sort. I had it for weeks now, and one week I rested the arm, it felt that the pain elevated. Again, not so much, it's just aching sensations, not enough to bother your daily activities, but as I'm typing this, you can feel some heavyness or aches near my elbow. I stopped playing tennis for a while, I dunno if it was my 1hand BH that caused it, becaused I rarely use it. I lifted my backpack on the side of my body usually, and it's pretty heavy that it tilts me toward that side. It kinda feels like if my arm was sore from something, idunno. Anyways, I was told to rest it and not do anything extreme with it. Should I take advil or those ibuprofen things? They told me to take it if my arm started hurting. The 'soreness' is just annoying. Does advil and sorts heal the tendon or they said it could be the muscles near there. I dunno. PLEASE HELP! :!:
     
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    No. Only your arm can heal itself. Everything else: changing racquets, strings, tensions, 2HBH, technique, drugs etc are there to manage future and ongoing stress to the arm to minimize the chance of slowing of the natural healing process.
     
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    I don't know what you mean by the pain being elevated after a week but symptoms of TE include, but not limited to, the following:
    • acute or sharp pain at the bony part of the elbow
    • almost no grip strength
    • difficulty in holding a heavy bag
    • acute pain when taking down a bottle from a cupboard
    • acute pain or difficulty holding a heavy pan or skillet
    • difficulty buttoning up your shirt
    I agree with LuckyR. These drugs and other OTC NSIDs don't heal TE. They relieve the pain so that you can do everyday things. Tendon injuries need complete rest to heal.

    BTW, I found Aleve to be much better than Advil. Also, my doctor prescribed a drug called Mobic for my TE for two weeks and it's awesome. Taken once a day, I was pain-free for a couple of weeks. Of course, I didn't play during that time.
     
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    Your career is not over, but there are no quick fixes. Pretty much eveything you need to know is covered right here in this very thread. Be patient, and good luck.
     
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    Ok. Great. Not to sound stupid, but what does 'acute' really describe. Pain like if you pressed a rather common bruise, a sharp pain like a paper cut, or extreme pain that does not need to be described. (I know, dumb analogies or w.e) I also have a sore like pain above the elbow, below the bicep. Might not be really there... it just seems so weird.
     
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    I guess there are things that can help to fasten the healing process, such as :

    1) control pain and inflammation (relative rest, ice, nutritional +/- pharmacologic anti-inflammatories, etc).

    2) Various therapy/restorative modalities including friction massage techniques and myofascial tension techniques

    3) gradual progression on strengthening from isometric --> to isotonic (loaded wrist flexion exercises) --> to eccentric emphasis exercises for the wrist flexors/extensors

    4) other more aggressive techniques such as dry needling, trigger point inj, prolotherapy, iontophoresis, etc...

    5) Lastly, if there is advanced pathology, persistent and not responding to more conservative measure then surgery is an option.

    Note : This post is for informational purposes only. The Content is not intended to be a substitute for professional medical advice, diagnosis, or treatment.
     
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    Certainly don't give up, I altered my s/h backhand a few years ago, that combined with a tighter string than i used to use started giving me problems. Saw a few docs, all say rest but if it's acute, you will be into months of rest then the ice/stretching rehab etc mentioned.I took 2 years off,(not just the elbow) have gone back to my old style backhand and loosened off string tension. It's the first time that i'm pain free for years. The sooner you rest after the pain starts the quicker it should heal, don't rush it.
     
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    ...too many lawyers in Indonesia too, eh?...
     
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    Acute just means short lived, ie the pain in your ankle after falling off of a roof is acute pain. Pain in your lower back 3 years later after that fall is chronic pain.
     
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    I read all that Acer, thx. One question though. WOuld keeping your elbow fixed in a position good for healing? If so, should the elbow be bent or straight..i heard this somewhere..
     
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    Hi rbowser

    I am assuming that you have a one handed backhand. If you do, it should be straight when you make contact with the ball. Some have a bend in thier elbow on thier take back (usually they have a looped takeback) and some keep it straight on the takeback but the arm should be straight at contact. Here is a good link on the subject:

    http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showthread.php?t=124695&highlight=straight+arm

    I am by no means an expert but to me if your arm is bent you would end up most likely leading with your elbow which is bad for tennis elbow. I think the above link mentions this. Someone once mentioned on the TW board to imagine that on the takeback and forward swing that you are trying (imagining) to touch/scrape the ground. This will force you to keep your arm straight. I know you probably don't want to hear this but if your arm is still healing my advice would be to let it heal. All it takes is one slight mishit and you have aggrivated your elbow all over again when it was just starting to heal. If you keep playing your condition will become chronic. I wish I would have quit once I initally hurt my elbow. I tried to play through my tennis elbow but it just became chronic. On my last flare up, I eventually quit to let it heal but now I have to be very careful with it.

    If you are going to try and play through it, I would recommend using a slice backhand as the slice doesn't really seem to aggrivate the tendon. At least it didn't for me. Also stay away from kick serves as this can aggrivate it to. Once last bit of advice that seems to work for me. I am not sure if you use a looped takeback or a straight takeback on your backhand, I use a straight takeback and I find that if you take the racquet back straight and low (by knee level) and swing up (think brush up on the ball) that it is easier on the arm/elbow. This is because you are brushing up the back of the ball and not hitting it dead on where the jolt is harder on the arm. The times where I end up hitting the ball dead on as in a flat shot, I can feel more of an arm jolt.

    Hope this helps.

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    Yeah, I do use a 1bh, but most of the time my arm is straight, the only times are when I'm caught off-guard, which is like 35%. I got TE from lifting my heavy backpack by my side. My other question is that someone metioned splints, you know, to keep your arm stationary daily to help it heal. Was it bent that helped or that you use a splint to keep it straight?
     
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    Hi rbowser

    Sorry, I misunderstood your question. I never wore a splint on my arm while it was healing. I would try to carefully stretch it a bit everyday but I never consciously kept it straight or bent. I did whatever was comfortable. I found if I left it bent for too long then it would hurt when you tried to straighten it. From what I read, that when the muscle is hurt it tries to contract to protect itself. So I think trying to stretch it is best. So maybe keeping it more straight than bent seems logical. Like I said I did whatever was comfortable. I did read a post on here where I guy actually wore a cast for 3 weeks. He said it healed his tennis elbow as he couldn't move his arm. Pretty extreme though! I was also very careful when trying to lift anything. I would try to use my right arm (I am lefty and that is where my tennis elbow was).

    I do wear a brace while I am playing. I think what helped mine heal was simply time. I tried accupuncture, ultrasound and physical therapy but to be honest I think just letting heal helped the most. I did actually start to use an ergonomic mouse pad and arm rest for work while I was on the computer which seemed to help it from being overstressed. I am also a lefty so even changing the mouse to a left handed mouse helped.

    Acer
     
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    Thanks. One thing though, I know it varies from person to person, but mine is probably mild TE, because it's not real real PAIN, it's just uncomfortable. (yes, that's also pain, but not to the extreme) I already rested it for about a few weeks, how long should it take to heal on average, and when should I start strengthening excercises?
     
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    Keep in mind I am not a doctor or anything but I think the length of time that it takes to heal will vary based on the severity of the injury, your age, activity, etc. I would recommend seeing your doctor for a check on it.

    If your pain is mild and you have had a few weeks off my advice is to first stretch it and see how it feels. If it feels okay then I would just try very light weights with low reps. My physiotherapist had me doing stretching everyday and then added strengthening exercises with therabands (that thick rubber tubing). If I had pain, I wouldn't do the exercises or would lower the band or weight until the exercise was comfortable and pain free. I would also slowly build up the strength with wrist curls and reverse wrist curls.

    Acer
     
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    Duplicate Post.
     
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  28. Serve 'em hard

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    I hate falling off roofs.

    Rbowser, ole Acer says some good stuff about all this.

    I personally don't know anything about this splint thing you mention, but who knows?

    Also, Here's a link to a thread I started about my own TE:

    http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showthread.php?t=133304
     
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    I know. Great post as well. I read all of them related to TE..the good ones, and recent ones anyway. I'm still wondering though, of how long I should take off? Im hoping it will heal by late july or early august. I really need to play over the summer, or I'll have no time during school. I'm trying to use my left hand more (im a righty), so I'm hoping to recover soon.
     
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    I don' think anyone here can you tell you how much time you should take off. I'm not sure even a doctor could tell you that for sure -- there are just too many variables. But you probably need to take off more time than you want to...

    Can you try and see a doctor to get a better sense of what you're dealing with?
     
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    I saw a doctor...she said just to rest it, and not play tennis or lift heavy objects for a while. See? A while...how long is that? She tested my arm, and it didn't hurt, but she still said to take time off. That's all. I think I got the TE from lifting my backpack to my side. (which I said like a million times, lol) I do use a 1bh, but it didn't hurt when I played with it.
     
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    Fine. I'll take over your case: Since you say it doesn't hurt anymore, I want you to rest it for another week, while doing gentle stretching. Then do light weight wrist extensions and flexions for two weeks whilie continuing stretching. If those do not cause you pain, try some gentle tennis. If that doesn't hurt, try some more, while continuing stretching and strengthening.

    So no tennis for at least three more weeks, but possibly more time will be needed if you experience pain from either strengthening exercises or hitting some balls.

    Now visit this site and read it over. There will be a quiz later:

    http://www.nismat.org/ptcor/tennis_elbow/
     
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    I'll try the quiz...lol. I'm not saying that the TE has gone away, is just that of course, heavy objects would cause some discomfort, and lifting other stuff as well. Haven't tried tennis yet, and I don't want to risk it. By discomfort, I mean yes, a teeny weeny spark of pain, but to me, it's not really pain, it's like the soreness you get in your arms after a rope climb or soreness in your legs after running a few miles. Not that extreme, but no sharp pain. Yes, I'm taking time off, and I'll try strenghtening after a few weeks, for now I'll just stretch.
     
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    other than rest the only thing that worked for my tennis elbow was a supplement called Elbow Revive. google for it. pretty good stuff. between rest, daily massage, and the Elbow Revive, i'd say i was back at about 90% after about 6 or 7 weeks and it had been something that had been nagging me for about 2 months before that. totally fine now.
     
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    Tennis Elbow TheraBand works for me

    Hi,

    This works great for me, keeps it in the car, and do the exercises while driving. In 3 weeks I was back to playing tennis, the old ways of resting, ice, stretching and so on tooks 6 months.

    Here is the link to the NY times article that got me started down this path. Hope it works for you.

    http://well.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/08/25/phys-ed-an-easy-fix-for-tennis-elbow/
     
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  37. max

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    Friend, you need to stop immediately---give yourself a Tennis Stay-cation!

    I'm pushing a year out due to TE. I let it go and played on it, etc., tore up stuff, and now I'm paying the price.

    Gotta stop.
     
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    Yes to:

    1. - Switching mouse and actually try not to do anything much at all with that hand
    2. - Straight elbow at contact for the 1HBH
    3. - Full bed natural gut at low tensions (while having TE).
     
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    I'm working through a little TE. In additional to taking Advil before hitting the courts, while I play / train I wear one of those compression sleeves you see some basketball players wear. It really does seem to help quite a bit.

    Very light weights with the thrower's daily ten, improving technique under guidance of a great coach...I'm confident I'll beat this flare up.
     
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    search for my elbows made of steel post, and yes it works
     
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  41. Chas Tennis

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    What do you base your confidence on?

    I've posted on tennis elbow with some references.

    http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showthread.php?t=500952&highlight=tennis+elbow+chas

    Please read the references and ask yourself whether they are true with regard to tendinosis and tendinitis.

    Stressing injured tendons can often lead to a chronic tendinosis condition and continuing pathology, worsening.
     
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    Hi guys, quick question about my arm, not sure if it is early TE or just something else.

    For the past month or so whenever i play tennis my forearm starts to hurt pretty bad, same with lower bicep area. If it is a long session it will be very painful even to move my arm at the elbow joint. The elbow itself does not hurt, nor does gripping anything.

    After some ice and a bit of rest(couple of hours) it is OK with lingering pain. Usually by the end of the day or the next day, the pain is gone with the occasional "flare up" i guess, when it might hurt for a few minutes.

    Do you guys think it is TE or perhaps a muscle strain? Zero pain on the actual elbow, and no grip pain, rarely feel any pain during non tennis days, but will quickly flare up if i play. It only comes on when playing tennis or lifting weights.

    Been trying to go light on it recently and taking a week off tennis/weights since last tuesday (minus a 40 min ladder match saturday, where it hurt but not as bad as other times).. Just looking for thoughts really! Thx for any feed back.
     
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    See the Health & Fitness forum where there are many long threads with information on Tennis Elbow. Stop play or stressing the arm.
    https://www.google.com/search?q=elb...0C4vksASD-YCgDw&ved=0CDUQsAQ&biw=1113&bih=688

    For now read the first paper in this thread.
    http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showthread.php?t=442912&highlight=tennis+injury+nuthouse
     
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    A definite reduction and sharply downward trend in symptoms.
     
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    That sounds more like a muscle strain. I used to get that from too much tennis mixed with the gym as well. Sore forearm and just below the bicep. Then I actually did develop both TE and GE. You will know the difference. The strain will go away where as the TE or GE won't. Even after rest and not playing. I played through my TE/GE for a few months and it was a mistake. Haven't played in over 2 weeks now but the elbow is still stiff and sore. It hurts to pick up certain things (definitely can't pick up weights) and even hurts to towel dry my face. I'm doing physio and getting IMS (Intramuscular Stimulation) treatment. I've only done two sessions so it's tough to say if it's helping or not yet. It's not a pleasing experience to say the least. I'm hoping to be back on court by September but I will not rush it. In the meantime I'm just doing lots of intervals and leg weights to stay in shape and be as ready as I can when I'm able to hit the courts again. Watching tennis is my only savior for now. I'm a competitive 4.5 player and it kills me to not hit a ball around.
     
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    Hey Pureshot,

    I have TE, it never goes away and lingers. Mine got so bad last year I had to withdraw from a bunch of tournaments and didn't play for 7 months. I couldn't even squeeze toothpaste it was so bad....

    Saw an orthopedic....it kind of helped. But this is what got me back to at least playing and playing with it. Not suggesting it will work for you but worth a try rather then doing anything to witch doctorish

    1) Carpal Tunnel cast: buy it at a drug store and wear it at night. It elevates your hand and keeps you from having any pressure on the elbow from your wrist curling. And, if you type a lot you will see immediate benefits.

    2) Chiropractor: I never believed in them before this, but I saw almost instant relief. A good Chiropractor will take x-rays and walk you through the process. Some of them are sketchy, so ask around

    3) ICE is your friend! Daisy cup, freeze it, and really give it a rub down after playing. Better then an ice bag

    4) Smaller grip: a little strange but I have seen some improvement with this. however, my wrist started having some issues so it may be a give and take, still trying to determine. Maybe worth a try

    5) KT band: some of us love them, others don't. Using it on my arm seems to help, but this could be mental.

    6) all of these have been mentioned, but stay away from Poly's, high tensions, light racquets and check your technique with a pro. You may have picked up a bad habit somewhere that initiated this.

    Your tennis game isn't over, but a sabbatical for a few months always does the trick, and if you do some of those things in between you'll be fine.
     
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    Agree, I have what you could call a bad case of TE. It's been going on for 16 months now and I have recovered perhaps 70%. At worse I could not straighten my arm and even less clench my fist loosely. I now manage to play two times a week and I listen to my elbow. So 4 weeks is really to early to worry, just rest your arm as much as possible when the injury is fresh. And patience as stated above!
     
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