Tennis Elbow

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  1. Ramon

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    In my experience low tension poly is fine for the first 3 hours, but then it just becomes dead arm-killing poly after that. If you're going to stick to poly, I'd say keep a log of how much time you've been using it and make note of when you start feeling more pain in your elbow. That way you know when it's time to cut it and put in a fresh set.
     
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  2. bad_call

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    if your poly selection dies (becomes arm killer) after 3 hours then you're better off using syn gut or nylon. unless of course you find a longer life poly.
     
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  3. USArmyTennis

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    " 3.5 player. Babolat APD. RPM Blast 18 gauge @ 58#.
    That is all. "

    ^^I love seeing this.^^
     
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  4. RogueFLIP

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    Ok, I'll bite since this is me you're referring to.

    'sup? :)
     
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  5. Ramon

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    That's exactly right. That's why I'm using natural gut on one racquet and multifilament synthetic on the other as my bad weather racquet.

    As I understand it, poly was originally designed with the needs of the touring professional player in mind. That means it only had to last one set. So now they make co-poly to last a bit longer. For me it's still not long enough.
     
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  6. hermtm2

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    I had a severer tennis elbow last year. I used the Wilson K90 with Technifibre black code 16G at 52 lbs. When I felt a pain from my elbow at the first time (around the end of May 2012), I thought I played too much since I played 2~3 hours everyday at that time. Also the pain went away once I started to play. At the middle of the July 2012 my elbow was swollen twice and I couldn't even turn a door knob. I had to stop playing until Spring in this year.

    Many people (friends and coaches) advised me that my swing (fore/back) form caused the elbow problem. However I did know that there weren't. Sometime people really focused on the mechanics regardless of their own body type. The mechanic should be a guid line not absolute answer.

    Anyway, I knew that I had no pain or any problem during rally. The pain was emphasized during a game (especially single). The difference between the game and rally in my case was a serve. I mostly played a single game and it made me to give a lot of the service motion. The problem was my serve motion. Specifically the grip caused my elbow problem.

    I had an eastern forehand grip instead of continental grip when I hit a balll during the serve. The grip caused to twist my elbow every single serve. The harder serve I tried, the farther my elbow was twisted.

    In these day I play a tennis 2~3 times a week without no pain. There were many possibilities to cause the elbow problem. Before you pay attention to many advices, you should think about what you are doing, how you are doing, and why you are doing. You might find a solution.
     
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  7. Chas Tennis

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    You have an idea of what caused your problem. Have you taken videos of your serve?

    Most people don't have cameras that do high speed video. You possibly could get some useful videos with a DSLR camera with 60 fps or even a Smartphone in bright sunlight. But at 30 fps you would have to repeat the same serve several times and assume that the serves are similar in order to catch the various parts of the stroke.

    Other people have question some of your stroke techniques so maybe videos would show you some stressful stroke motions.
     
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  8. ilovetennis212

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    In add to his opinion..
    Use the "ubersense" apps to see slow motion of your serve or forehand you took with iPhone.
    It's great apps to see how you strike the ball.

    [​IMG]
     
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  9. Chas Tennis

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    What is the frame rate of the video recording?
     
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  10. Fintft

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    Natural gut at 50-52 lbs.
     
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  11. BreakPoint

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    Stop using poly strings and switch to natural gut or a soft multi. Also, switch to a heavier and flexier racquet than your Biomimetic 300.
     
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  12. ilovetennis212

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    It's just apps you can see slow motion with.
    Frame rate depends on your iPhone's camera
     
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  13. Chas Tennis

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    High Speed Video vs Slowed Playback ?

    Does 'ubersense' just slow down the playback by repeating frames or does it create false frames as some recent post-processing applications do?

    You need to record high speed video at higher rates than 30 or 60 fps to properly see what is going on in the serve and other faster motions. If an application creates false frames in order to slow down the playback it would be misleading for analysis as to what is really happening.

    This forward racket motion of the serve occurs over about 20 milliseconds.
    https://vimeo.com/65434652

    At 30 fps a video camera takes one frame every 33 milliseconds, at 60 fps every 17 milliseconds. 30 and 60 fps are not adequate frame rates to fully show the racket & arm motion as they move forward over just 20 milliseconds to hit the ball.
     
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  14. ilovetennis212

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    You sound professional. :)
    Ubersense is not professional video editing program. But I know some coach uses it.
    We don't have hawk-eye in our club. We just say "out" when it looks like out.
    We don't have high speed radar gun to catch up our service speed. We just use "servespeed" apps in iPhone to record and analyze.
    We don't have high resolution video camera like US open have. We just record with iPhone5 and it captures 30fps I think. Some says I can capture over 60fps video with "slopro" apps but I never tried it.
    Everyone knows that anything you do with iphone is limited. Even if Apple release iphone9 in 2020.
     
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  15. Chas Tennis

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    High speed video cameras are very cheap. I'd like to see more players start using high speed video for stroke analysis. If you want to improve your strokes HSV is a great tool.

    BTW - the new iPhone 5s is supposed to do 120 fps.

    See reply #25 with link to iPhone with 120 fps video.
    http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showthread.php?t=476170

    Some advantages for buying a $150 high speed video camera with certain additional capabilities, zoom lens, single frame viewing, editing, etc., important for stroke analysis, are listed in the reply.
     
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  16. cjs

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    Lol. When I first got back into regular competitive tennis in my late 30s after 20 years away from the game guess what racquet & string combo gave me tennis elbow?

    Took some time out to heal, then changed racquet, string, and tension and problems never occurred.
     
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  17. RogueFLIP

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    Since that original quote is my signature....

    Well, I'm sorry to hear that the APD with RPM caused you some issues.
    And there are a lot of people who chime in the same.

    Everyone's different. I haven't had any issues. Been using this setup for 3 years. Any little twangs and such have been resolved by improving technique and maintaining good soft tissue health (its not just about being flexible!!).

    Have fun out there!
     
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  18. cjs

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    I wasn't have a go at you. Just laughing at the irony of your signature in a thread on tennis elbow. I didn't even notice your sig till someone else pointed it out and then it related directly to my experience.

    All good :)
     
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