Tennis needs a "Bad Boy" to revive it's low status

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  1. Mick3391

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    When I say "Bad boy", what I am saying is simply telling the truth, Fed, Murray, etc. all LIE, and false humility is a lie.

    When Fed was losing to Murray, he was swearing the entire time, "F....K", then getting in his face, but then in the interview it's "Oh I'm playing fine, want to work out more, looking forward to this year", what BS! Why did he not simply tell the truth "When I was 25 I would have wiped the court with Murray", I like class, but lies are not class.

    We need another Mcenroe, remember, take Wimbledon, they called him a "Punk", "Spoiled Brat", but next year he had engendered himself to them and they LOVED HIM!

    We need a Ali or Tyson in Tennis, that's the only reason Tennis is a second rate sport, you can predict what players will say when they win or lose, tell me if this is not the phony scripts "Andy, you lost today, how do you feel", "Well, my congradulations to Novak, he played a great game, if I work harder I'll hope to have a better year", this stuff drives me nuts!

    People don't realize that throught the 60's, Ali was HATED, people would show up to see him lose. I mean, think about it, Ali thought AND STILL THINKS white men are devils and that blacks and whites should be segregated, yet every birthday or what have you they are doing some ceremony for this great man! Same deal Tyson, people loved to hate him, and guess what? He sold out stadiums to see what would happen. Larry Holmes on the other hand was as good as both, but took the tennis script, "Well I'm glad I won, my jab was really working today", BORING, and LIES.

    Maybe Tomic is onto something, THINK, how much press did he get? Why? Because it's human drama, at least he doesn't lie, he thinks he can beat Fed, he thinks tennis is easy, etc. At least he's not faking it.

    We need an honest person, doesn't even have to be a bad boy. If they interviewed me after I lost, I'd tell the truth. I would love to see some guy say "Roger Federer thinks he can whup me, man he must be crazy" if he thought that way.

    Think, when is the last time you saw a tennis star on the cover of SI, or any magazine, or even the news? The sport is dying, which means less amateurs and less of a pool of players, it's all foreign countries now, and no hero's.

    Nadal could have pulled this off, animal player, yet you interview him and he takes his cue card lies and says "Well federer is best", come on, what if he said "I'll destroy Federer wherever I see him", man that would create controversy, REAL drama, and the press would eat it up.

    Sorry, I'm just SO TIRED of boring players with boring personalities, we need stars. Fed was so great that he was able to have his racquet do the talking, but how many can? I watch a robotic like Djokovich read the script and I feel insulted.
     
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    If you expect something like this to happen in tennis again, you've got a LONG wait ahead of you.

    I would just switch sports if I were you.
     
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    Yea, but why? I know Tennis is a "Blue Blood" sport, but COME ON, Mcenroe generated tremendous interest
     
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    I dunno.

    The sky is blue, the grass is green and tennis is a gentlemen's sport.

    umad?
     
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    Who was the bad boy from 2002 to 2007? Safin?
     
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    I don't think tennis is dying at all. It's just that American tennis is in the dumps right now with NO ONE in even the top 20 I think. That kid Ryan Harrison is a hothead and not much else. The reality is that, over the last 50 years, ALL SPORTS have gotten more civil and politically correct. The only way to get back to Ali and so on is to take away all the sponsorship money. It's the sponsorships ($$$) that makes all these athletes be so PC. Look at Tiger Woods and how much $$$ in sponsorship earnings he lost when it was found out he was banging cocktail waitresses left and right. Sure we loved reading about it but if you were he and you just lost $100 million of future earnings (maybe even more) I think you'd learn to shut up and say "I just didn't play well enough, credit to him" too.
     
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    Bernie is your man. What can I say? The boy's got swag.
     
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    No man! I value your opinion.
     
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    See, that's MY POINT, why do you go to him? Honestly, would you watch him play if he wasn't an arse?
     
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    I wish it was like that too. Nastase, Connors, all those guys had personality. Unfortunately, and forget about the "gentleman's sport" stuff, tennis, and by association the ATP and WTA, is a corporate entity. That's why you have no surface speed variations, etc... anymore. It's bland due to the over corporatizing of sports in general.

    and, as Linda Richmann would say.. Discuss!
     
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    Again, I'll say it. After the AO, we didn't finish it, went to Foxnews.com, under the sports section I think it was like number 4, AO over, boring story.

    Again, why don't we see Federer or Novak or whoever you love on the front of Sports Illustrated. Look at the chick, forget her name, she's on the front, all of a sudden interest, movies, all the rest.

    Mcenroe at least had enough athenticity to have his own MSNBC show, can you imagine Murray doing that? "Well, welcome, uh, like, uh, everything is great, uh....."

    We, on this forum, are genuine personalities for the most part, like it or not, some guys are hot heads, some cool and poised, but we are HONEST, this forum is more interesting than who we are talking about.

    Tennis is in a slump, US? Absolutely, but why? There are no hero's, Roddick wins a GS and he is like "Well yea it was a honor to play today, my serve was working............." WHERE'S THE PERSONALITY? Bad, good, but at least genuine, we are the blue bloods who get upset if someone says a bad word.

    Don't misunderstand, I dislike, big time, bad language, acting poorly, that doesn't mean I don't want them to not be themselves, that is be honest.
     
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    Thank you miss Richmann! Yea, Nastase was a entertainer, why do we know about him? He was outrageous. Or Conners walking across the court to get in Macs face and tell him to shut up, that is priceless.

    On TennisChannel, they have the "Top 5", it always involves controversy, but what contraversy, "Oh my goodness, he looked at the judge with a bad look, my goodness". I'm a Christian, I realize sin is in the world, I just wish we would stop faking like it doesn't exist and tell the truth.
     
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    Bernie is DA man.
     
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    i understand what you're saying, but let me add this...mcenroe's "authenticity" provided the worst cable news talk show i've ever seen and that is saying something...somebody forgot that mcenroe for all the praise he gets as a broadcaster has a lot of trouble stringing words together in a timely and entertaining fashion...it was the absolute pits of talk shows....off the subject a bit i know, but you brought it up and i had to respond...i'm still haunted by the time i devoted to the show trying to be a good tennis fan trying to do my part to broaden the sport
     
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    "How many times?". :)
     
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    I thought I said that, the POINT is that they picked him, why? Because of ratings, everyone knows who Mac is! Ask anyone, they know, we need that in Tennis.

    It's interesting when they asked Mac about his antics, he said "I just thought that's how you act, we did in NY, I never thought there was anything controversial about it at the time", paraphrase of course, but the point is that he was AUTHENETIC! Can we REALLY say these guys speak their minds?

    Yea that one guy hit a good point, they worry about sponsers, but sponsers are into money, and if they get more press, it's more times people will see the W, or the Mercedes or Nike logo! Remember these sponsers are a bunch of non tennis playing junkheads who think we are all blue bloods, let a player prove them wrong.

    Look at the die hards on this forum, they will call you names if you don't like their player or idea, actually call you stupid or whatever for disagreeing, trust me Tennis needs someone who stands out.
     
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    OK, this answer wins the prize. I realize you are being sarcastic, but be honest, WOULD YOU EVER, EVER, EVER MISS A MATCH? EVEN IF YOU WEREN'T INTERESTED IN TENNIS?
     
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    If Novak came out after his first GS win and said "Federer? are you joking, aint got a mark on my body, just turned 20 years old, and I wiped Nadal, I MUST BE THE GREATEST, aint no man can whip me, I train like no one trains, federer if he dreams he can beat me must wake up and apologize".

    If he did that, he'd BE ON THE COVER OF EVERY MAGAZINE, that's all I'm saying. Well I'm saying to be honest. When I saw Fed at the press conference, it made me sick, yea I love the fact that Fed tries to be nice, but he's not genuine, watch that Murray match, he'd go back and say over and over F...........K ing blah blah. That picture the media blanked out of him looking at Murray from the side, Fed looked like a shark, literally, ready to bite Murray, then to act as if it's no big deal, it's just a lie.

    I admire a Conners idiot telling the truth more than this stuff.

    Honestly guys, be honest, do you look forward to their post match interview? You KNOW what they are going to say, it's scripted and phony.
     
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    Tennis just needs top players who are more verbally confrontational. Not mean or poorly behaved or reckless. I want to see one major final in which the two finalists actually butt heads and talk sh*t about eachother.
     
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    Here's a case to PROVE MY POINT. If this happened today, let's say Federer going over the net to get into the face of Murray, THIS FORUM WOULD LIGHT UP! THE PRESS WOULD LIGHT UP! IT WOULD BE ALL OVER THE NEWS! AND GUESS WHO WOULD WIN? TENNIS

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OYYUtb4GUHE
     
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    By the way, although I don't agree with that behaivior, it's AUTHENTIC! Better than lies.
     
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    It doesn't matter their expression, but rather AUTHENTIC EXPRESSION.

    Trust me guys Tennis needs this, it's no gimmick, no lie, rather the truth.
     
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    I definitely agree that tennis needs more personality. Obviously ratings would improve a lot if there were a genuine bad boy at or near the top, but even any other kind of personality would be great.

    For example, I would love a really goofy dude who does salsa or jazz steps after exciting points. Or someone who treats between-match interviews like a WWE wrestler, making ridiculous threats and promises ("I'm a gonna put him down to the mat, OLD SCHOOL! GARRRRR!"). Or a fellow who sings opera during the crossover to pick himself up when he's losing. Or somebody who had a really strong political agenda (legalize gay marriage, for example) who tries to shoehorn it into every match and interview.

    I love the tennis of our top 4 guys (yes, even the grinding), but they're all incredibly boring, with the possible exception of Djoker, who seems to be actively restraining his personality.

    Gentlemen's game has become a PR Robot's game.
     
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    I want to see a fiery on-court confrontation between Wawrinka and Baghdatis.
     
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    I think the whole world is hard up for some honesty. Real honesty. And yes, tennis needs it bad.
     
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    Yup looks like a total badass in that tank :-?

    I'd almost put my money on J Bieber in a fight with him.
     
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    Thank you guys, I thought I'd be picked apart by bringing this up. Yea, exactly, SOMETHING, but I would hope for TRUTH, that is whatever is real.

    I would LOVE for Fed to have repeated what he thought on court! Yea, well said, I would add "Money PR Robots game":)

    "Why you represent Mercedes, you can't be yourself", I'm telling you, I've met with these Yahoo's in big corporate settings, most don't have a clue, they don't think, they don't understand that a guy on front of all sports magazines will ultimately sell more Mercedes, Nike or whatever it may be.

    And to be clear, I don't admire ar....shes, but I do admire that they are honest, without honesty you have no clue what you are watching, you are really watching a lie, and I don't like that. So if I hate same a real bad Tomic, let's say he gets much worse, I'LL WATCH HIM, if only to bet against him!

    Same deal with Ali, he told the TRUTH, and everyone hated AND watched him.
     
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    roddick maybe

    not really a bad boy but he was very good for the sport when he was at the top.
     
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    djoker was the badboy in making. Unfortunately the tennis world and fans of other players already marked him arrogant.

    If someone is really brash, then he should also be ready to eat humble pie. Since top players are not ready to do that, you will never see it.

    I potentially only see Donald Young doing it when he ascends the ranking
     
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    Federer would stand to lose all his sponsors and a lot of fans who look up to him if he acted that way.
    As for McEnroe, he was a skinny little man with no bite.
     
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    Tennis doesn't need a badboy. It needs great players! The business side of tennis is in great shape. What the sport needs most of all are great talents like Nadal and Federer who can produce exhilarating performances.
     
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    BTW, to answer the question any way just for fun, a good badboy would've been Nalbandian and Gulbis. Gulbis gets up to all sorts of crazy things outside of tennis I've heard and Nalbandian has an angry demeanour. He wanted to fist fight with Del Potro and Hewitt I've heard. :lol:
     
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    The OP wants Del Potro to say more things about Andy Murray's mother. :lol:
     
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    Tennis could always use more great players, but I think the current crop is more than sufficient. The top 4 are all exciting in one way or another, and guys like Tsonga, Almagro, and Wawrinka can bring some much needed flair, as well.

    The problem is, a lot of the top guys are interchangeable in terms of personalities. They say the same things before and after a match, with that same sense of false humility. They're PR robots, and it doesn't give casual fans much to latch on to. Tennis fans will always love the tennis play and they'll always be there, but casual fans need more than that to really stay interested. They need to really identify with, sympathize with, or actively despise these guys. They need a good story.

    But that's if we are trying to grow the number of tennis fans (as they have to first start out as casual fans).
     
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    This is why I wish Tomic was actually good. It'd be nice to have an antihero in tennis these days.
     
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    :) I loved Janowicz's outburst. Did you see what he had to say when he found out he'd been fined? Something like, "surely I am not believing this." I hope he doesn't have someone step in and polish him up like a shiny gem.
     
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    Bernie is already showing signs of being a top player, and he'll get there within a couple of years, I think. Problem is, along the way, he may discover the profitability of being a PR robot and lose whatever personality he's shown so far.
     
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    Society is too politically correct anymore. A "bad boy" will just get buried by these fans who are looking for the "good old boy" persona .
     
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    Right, the making of a superstar, someone who can get us back to common sense!

    They wouldn't be buried, well I'm no siek, but controvery sells, look at "Jersey Shore", a bunch of morons doing nothing, THIS IS THE PERFECT TIME TO BE POLITICALLY INCORRECT, BE POLITICALLY INCORRECT, INCORRECT!

    I'm TIRED of masters of the sport like the top 5 getting no coverage for incredible accomplishments, you are the tennis world, that's right, YOU, so when you Tweet Fed or whatever you do, tell them to BE HONEST.

    I was fascinated by someguy they called the worst on the top 5 on tennis channel, just wanted to see what his problem was, but heh, now I KNOW ABOUT HIM, shouldn't the world know about Federer?

    Such diverse people as Tiger Woods, Nicole Kidman, etc. want to meet Fed man, but they are "In the know"
     
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    Well.. Look at Nole. BURIED like crazy a few years ago when he played with a chip on his shoulder and was a complete smart arssee. Nows he more universally loved.

    I miss the old Nole.. The smart arssse who played with a chip on his shoulder and was mouthy as all hell.. Yet the fans buried him. Which is sad.. I guess they want the silver spoon primadonna trust fund boy
     
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    "Bad boy" does not work any more. Lawsuits will be filed. Tennis players expect the tennis court to be like any other workplace. If the opponent chases them around with a racket like they show on Tennis Channel, they will file charges. If a player misbehaves outside the court, he will be subject to all the laws of the land. Gone are the days when a police officer would smile and walk away if he knew the player. Do that today, and the officer is going to have a suit filed against him and lose his job.
     
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    Then as a fan tell them them that they need to tell the truth. I can see the truth in his body language, tell him to bring it back, that you resent him lying for endorsements.
     
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    I was about to say you are an idiot until I realized you are 100% correct, sadly you are correct, still..........

    It would not be a problem if say Novak went off, over and over again, the caption would be like on this forum "Is Novak doing roids", and everyone would pay attention. If he freaked on a judge like Mac, yea he'd lose a fine but get it back in exposure and endoresments, but yea you are right, what you described is how these guys look at the game, plus they see Feds success being a "Nice Guy", in real life he probably burns his cat for fun, just joking......
     
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    A truly bad guy will not stay within the comfortable boundaries we create in our mind. For example, Tomic caught speeding is funny news, but if he had run over a kid, it would not be. So we cannot expect Tomic to entertain us by driving fast enough to get a ticket yet be a completely responsible driver also.
     
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    Okay well we will get right on that and tell him to stop lying. Really though, I don't think Nole was ever 'bad' but he definitely used to have more of an in your face and fun personality. Now we get Twitter posts like this from him:

    Could that sound any less like him? 'Race, religion, sex, or origin'?
     
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