tennis - park style

Discussion in 'Tennis Tips/Instruction' started by luvforty, Feb 13, 2013.

  1. luvforty

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    we live in a TV culture. people play like they see on TV... 20 years ago every park player SV, today every1 stay at baseline, while game has really not changed much (although much progress has been made at the pros).

    what are the tennis strategies/styles/shot combinations that are effective in the parks, but not in the pros?

    I will start with 2:

    1. moonball to the bh and charge the net
    2. side spin / short dinks to the service box corners and charge the net.

    what else?

    notice that this is for park tennis only.... big serve + big fh doesn't count here.
     
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  2. sureshs

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    speak for yourself
     
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  3. LeeD

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    1. opponent's usually lob
    2. you have no time to cover net and get into position, susceptible to low chips and lobs.
    3. no ONE strategy works against every player.
     
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  4. psv255

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    As much as some like to argue otherwise, I think pushing is a strategy, and probably the single most effective strategy in the "parks." It works 90% of the time, every time...

    As for shot combinations, I'd say that anything that breaks up rhythm (change of pace & spins) is pretty common and often effective.

    I would disagree that one cannot find a player with a big serve or forehand, given the lack of organization by playing ability in a park setting.
     
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  5. sureshs

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    I prefer tennis gangnam style
     
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  6. luvforty

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    what i meant was - stuff used by pros don't count, such as big serve + big fh.

    in other words, this thread is dedicated to the stuff that park players come up to win, but stuff you do not see in pro games.
     
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  7. slowfox

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    Throwing junk at your opponent is an effective strategy at the park levels. Also having a decent serve (not necessarily big) i.e. consistent, no double-faulting.

    Everyone wants to play pretty, but let's face it... at the parks it's ugly.
     
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  8. TennisCJC

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    If you mean 3.0 and below by "parks", the best strategy is to get the ball in court 3 or 4 times in a row. Consistency is way more important than strategy.

    I would work on developing a basic topspin FH, because if you can do this you can begin to hit the ball harder and still maintain consistency. Once you have this shot, hit it CC until you get a short ball and then hit it DTL.
     
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  9. 3fees

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    Spin and flat depends on the incoming ball.
     
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  10. 10isfreak

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    Well, it depends on what sort of player you play against. It might surprise you, but there are amateurs who can consistently hit big shots, even the ball they face is above their shoulders...

    My friend used to have fun hitting short, spinny balls. Then, once I adapted to attack these shorter balls and got better at the net, it was no longer a winning strategy. He begun to moonball nearly every ball... after much struggle, I also adapted to the moonballs and it, again, no longer was an efficient strategy.

    All you have to do is work out the strokes, face the situations and evolve as a player to counter them. I knew it was possible to deal with these, I knew I had to work and I did... it paid off. Now, he changed and plays to keep me off the court. The style evolves, but the fun is always there.
     
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    ok beautiful.... but reading comprehension.... looking for park specific stuff here.

    not saying big serve/big fh doesnt exist in parks.
     
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    @ 3.0

    In doubles...playing 2 back and just keeping the point alive till the other team misses.

    Super high lobs hoping they flub the overhead

    hitting to the back hand side as your only target
     
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    Assuming you have better overall control that your opponent, running them from side to side at every opportunity is pretty much guaranteed to be a match winner.
     
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    Squeezing the court on your opponent... calling all line shots "out" works at the park, but not in the pros. Now that I think about it, it works in USTA too.
     
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    funny you post these...

    although i had that 'style' in mind when i came up with the thread, i am not a fan of this guy..... seems to be just a knock of MC Hammer.

    Hammer is the real deal

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=otCpCn0l4Wo
     
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    Excellent observation. At the point where I started the 2nd clip we also see the gangnam "ready postion" and the reverse forehand finish (at 1:22).
     
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  19. comeback

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    Hit every shot with an eastern forehand grip
     
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  20. TomT

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    Well, I'm a pure(ly) park player, or PPP, and a bona fide 3.0 . Never took one lesson ... ever. Yes, I know that's hard to believe for those of you who have seen my videos.

    Anyway, to the point, my favorite shot combo against similarly challenged PPPs (although some have actually had lessons, they almost never practice) is to hit a deep looping topspin shot that bounces about head high followed by a deep looping flat or undercut shot that sort of dies after it hits the court. Messes them up every time I do this, but I have to take care to not overuse it lest they develop the ability to deal with it more effectively than they do.

    Let's see, what else? Well I do a lot of your #2, while varying the length of the shot. That is, undercut sidespinny shots that barely clear the net and land somewhere beyond the service line near to the sideline. Those are fave go to shots in almost any situation. Hit a lot of short ones to the service box corners also.

    And of course the drop volley, which is actually just a shanked volley. Mainly because it's pretty much the only kind of volley that I can hit. Very difficult for the opponent to anticipate because I'm actually trying to make solid contact with the ball.
     
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  21. zapvor

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    lol
    yea junk balling is very effective at lower levels...... not speaking from experience or anything........
     
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  22. TennisCJC

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    I have seen video of you and you are a tennis player. You have enough skills to work the ball around with placement and different spins.

    I think this thread can be reduced to this.

    This is not addressed to you TomT because you can play. To others at the park: if you cannot play, the concept of hitting tricky junk at the parks is an illusion. You cannot play so rather than deceive yourself, you should learn to play. Take a lesson and learn to hit at least a basic topspin FH drive and at least a basic BH slice. Learn to put a little slice or dare a little topspin on your serve. Build a wee bit of consistency where you can do this successfully 80% of the time when not under pressure, then we can talk strategy. If you can not play, you sole strategy should be to poke it back to the weaker side and hope they miss.
     
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  23. dman72

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    I play in a weekly league but I also play a lot outdoors (parks style) in the warmer weather. Everyone I hit with or play is a 3.0 to 4.0 player (4 USTA rated 4.0s in the mix).

    The most common weakness amongst just about everyone is dealing with balls short of the service line that bounce below net height. Every single one, me included. Either we can't get to if fast enough, we overhit it long, it's netted because the stroke is too flat, or we dink it back weakly. Maybe every other or 1 out of 3 of these balls something constructive is done...the rest are handled poorly. I see this on adjacent courts at my club and on public outdoor courts all the time.

    That being said, short dead slices are the most effective shot in tennis at 4.0 and below. I rarely hit these, I try to actualy hit "real" strokes, but I can't deny it's fundamental truth. Also, if you can't hit a serve 80 MPH or up, or generate a kick serve that bounces shoulder high..your best serve is a slow, side spinning slice that bounces below net height. People will pull their hair out trying to kill it, maybe make a few but miss a ton of them..then, they will try to dink it back, and you should be charging the net.
     
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  24. tennis_ocd

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    Two park styles I find amusing:

    -- The guy who trys to mimic the pros "jump" when hitting his serve and likely doesn't make contact until well on the way down; struggling to hit 55 mph.

    -- The full body twist, loud grunt, arm and body flail at a high short ball that still manages to cross the net as not much more than a moon ball bringing into question Newton's 3rd law - where did all that energy go?
     
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  25. Connors Fan

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    There are a lot of players who grumble and laugh at junk ballers. I get really discouraged playing them, but it is effective. I am a 3.5 player, who lately has been playing 4.0 in tourneys. I did this to play "real" players. What did I find? Well, they are as expected usually better than me. What else did I find? That my forehand is a match for all but the best of them. So if I found a guy, who could not keep it away from my forehand, what I found was that pretty soon, the 4.0 guy who had a better overall game, but weaker forehand immediatly switched to a moonball or short pusher strategy. What did this teach me? That is what seperates me from the 4.0 guy. Its not the better strokes, or his ego, its his ability to play what is needed to win.

    Most guys do not want to play "better" players, they want to play more comfortable players to play, even if they are better. Its "comfortable to play against top spin players. The ball goes deep, it bounces in our strike zones, it most times gives us more time to get to the ball than the flat hitters or slicers.

    I parked my ego a while ago and realized I was not better than these park player types. While it frustrates me, I realize now, I have to beat them.

    So dont make fun of those guys, usually they are the guys who beat the guys, like myself, who think there strokes are better, and cant wait to go up a level to play better players.
     
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  26. kopfan

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    The most effective play for park tennis is serve, charge the net, lob and short no pace ball. Since most park players lack footwork, they are overall slow in getting into right position. Most cannot handle either heavy serve or placement serve. Whenever you charge the net, they panic and either hit the ball into the net or hit a lob, majority will try lob. Throw a lob and they will hit the ball into the net or out of the court. When rally, you do a block shot to deliver a slow dead short ball, surprising.. they will wait for the ball to bounce before running for it which obviously... late and you hit a winner. Moonballing only make them hitting another higher arc moonball which sometimes cause yourself more problem. Not to forget, throw a slice during a rally will just make them sitting still and watch the ball being a winner.
     
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  27. comeback

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    After a one inch toss you hit a super quick bloop serve with eastern grip. Footfault by 3 feet and make a beeline to the net without split stepping. You should be on top of the net by now .Your opponent floats a return. You fly through the air then spike a volley (volleyball style) ..YESSSSSSS
    ps..you hit the net of course but who's calling that, IT'S PARK TENNIS
     
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  28. Hi I'm Ray

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    So I guess junkballing and random stuff is all that's allowed on this thread. Here's a few I see from some park regulars:

    - Guy gets a short ball that he can put away, he comes in and sets up but taps a super short forehand instead that acts like a drop shot. Opponent rushes in to dig the ball out, which gets lobbed over his head. He can do the lob off a backhand volley or a half volley too. It gets the same guys over and over. lol. Of course he can smash those short balls too, so they're really not sure what to expect. Then there's this super skinny 13 year old kid that reads him well, moves in early, and smacks forehand winner off those taps right past him. haha.

    - There's another guy known to have a "beastly" serve, it goes about 90-100mph and is very low trajectory. However, this is achieved by foot faulting 2 feet. Despite stepping into the baseline 2 feet, he double faults more of his service games away than he wins, but still he's known as a great server (?) Plays serve & volley but there are guys who jam him at the service line with the same shot hit to the same place over and over. At least hold more service games and make your first volleys if you're going to cheat 2 feet into the baseline on serve.
     
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  29. Relinquis

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    hitting directionals is a very good strategy against casual players, because most people can't hit properly when they have to move to the ball. if that is too much thinking, then just hit cross-court 4 out of 5 times.

    coming in 1 out of every 4-5 points after a decent approach shot is enough to really mess with people. many players get flustered when their opponent is at the net and end up making risky shots.
     
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