Tennis players are the best athletes, says Sampras

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  1. NamRanger

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    Fedor would not have any chance at all in pro boxing? You've got to be kidding me right? Fedor can go toe to toe with nearly every guy in a stand-up fight. You've got to be kidding me.



    You do realize Cro Cop competed in K1 and did fairly well.




    Let's not even talk about if the boxers were put into a MMA fight against one of them. It would just be total annihilation.
     
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    They can't be perfect, and I'm sure they took some of what you said into account. However, that's pretty much the best I could come up with for evidence to support my belief that MMA/Boxers/etc. require the most athleticism. Most of the junk that's been posted in this thread has just been purely opinion with no evidence to back it up.
     
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    Not argueing here. I was just making a point its still an opinion and yes one that has more analysis than most others. But I still don't agree with boxing being #1.
     
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    excellent point. while its still someone's opinion, it does have some credence to it. maybe not all of the criteria is reliable, but it does seem pretty well thought out. But I do agree there are flaws (golf should not even be listed since its not a sport).
     
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    while I understand your point, you are way off. do you realize how many BILLIONS of people play soccer? His point was to be the best of BILLIONS is an incredible feat and to be a pro player takes special abilities/aptitude. Soccer may be as popular as every single other sport combined, then triple it. I don't have actual data to support this, but its just such a common sprt EVERYWHER in the world (except the States).

    your second paragraph is senseless.
     
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    LOL, I don't think he meant beat up (punch out).
     
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    I was talking about jserve (I was noting "the guy"), but accidentally quaoted the wrong post. I agree with you.
     
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    I am now concerned...I thought you meant his "endurance" to box..do you mean actually hitting people???
     
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    No. Tennis players make the worst lovers. For them, love means nothing.
     
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    Actually, most domestic football leagues have 4 divisions of around 20 teams each, so you are really looking at 80 teams of around 20 players each per country. That's more in the region of 1600 players per league. Multiply that by only 100 countries and you have 160,000 players with a job. In tennis, if you are not amongst the best 200 on the planet, you are struggling to make a living, plus you get no team mates to help cover your screw-ups.

    Also, there are many more athletes in tennis than just Nadal who would have had the raw materials to go into full contact combat sports. Just go down the list. Tsonga, Roddick, Berdych, Mirnyi, Soderling, Verdasco, Ljubicic etc. There are many strong athletes in tennis, they would just have had to develop in line with the specific combat sport, but the base is there.
     
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    I'm not following what's going on. Does Datacipher mean Fedor can't last 15 rounds? If that is what he means, probably not. Fedor isn't the best stand-up fighter, but he's pretty damn good. A professional boxer would have an edge, yes. However, that's under professional boxing rules, where it's pure stand up fighting. However, I could list several MMA fighters in the world who can go toe to toe with any professional boxer in a stand up fight. We switch it over to MMA and any professional boxer in the world has no chance in hell of beating Fedor.
     
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    Fedor is by far the greatest MMA-fighter ever, but he would get beaten badly if he faced any pro-boxer, Fedor is a fighter not a boxer and there is a big difference!
    but Fedor can sure go toe to toe with any MMA-fighter no matter if you say standing up or on the ground.

    yes "Cro Cop" or Mirko Filipovich (his real name) competed in K-1, but that doesnt say much at all considering only few guys in K-1 can box. most of them wouldnt even stand a chance by a journey-man in boxing. his boxing-skills is better than most K-1 fighters and he would have a slight advantage against Fedor when it comes to stand-up skills

    K-1 is more of a show, just look at Alistair Overeem (MMA-fighter) beat the best K-1 fighters and legends. you would never see this in boxing!!

    conclusion: K-1 sucks..
     
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    Tahaha, Fedor couldn't box due to endurance, not because his stand-up skills are subpar. Fedor isn't the best boxer, but you don't necessarily have to be the best boxer in the technical sense to win in boxing. Fedor is freakishly strong for his size and with some training he could easily match any boxer in a fight. Blow for blow Fedor can easily trade with nearly any of them.



    Let's not even get into whether the Boxer would stand a chance against Fedor in a MMA fight. The boxer wouldn't even stand a prayer.




    Cro Cop's got pretty solid boxing skills. He's a stand up fighter that does rely on his lethal left leg, but he can do some serious damage with his hands too.
     
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    well you get my point about soccer:)
    but NON of the players you mention would have been great fighters, you can probably find a few ranked low that could be and perhaps just doesnt posses the same talent for tennis as the higher ranked players. but the ones you mention could never have made it as fighters no way..
     
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    so you think you can make a living of playing in the 4th league in azerbaijan? fail?

    and now look again at the actual topic which says "tennis players are the best athletes". this is in no way related to your statement. I think you are right, turning into a professional and make a living in football is easier since there is more money in it, it's by far the most popular sport on this planet. but how does this say anything about tennis and it's athletes?

    do you seriously think, that the top10 footballers (I don't think we can agree on a list here, but lets just say there would be a ranking) are "worse" athletes than tennis players? that they did not sacrify their whole life to this sport? trained and worked less to become the best players in football? becoming probably the most famous sportsmen on this planet?

    you can go nowhere in football with talent only. a guy like safin would not even get close anywhere in the tops. there are too many talented AND hard working guys out there. maybe thousands of professional players, all of them great, members of national elections, participating in the world cup or champions league. this depth does not exist in tennis. there are not many tennis players that can spend the whole life playing it without risking everything.
     
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    oh man..sorry I thought you meant FEDERER...my msitake..LOL.:)
     
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    look you dont have to tell me who of them can do what, I started with muay-thai at 15 years old, then started to box at 18. I have won several national championships. I started fighting MMA when I was 25 and trained the next 7 years.. injuries forced me to stop, today I work as boxingcoach and personal trainer
     
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    oh man..:shock: that guy is a beast. you put that guy against any BOXER, any top 5 ranked boxer in any weight class and this guy destroys them. Boxing is a skilled, very technical sport. You get a guy like Fedor and he manhandles anyone. This is street fighting..ala Rocky V. Even that idiot manager for Tommy Gunn told him to to fight outside the ring. This guy is an animal and this sport should not be compared to boxing. Not saying these guys are tougher or better fighters (technical aspect they are not), but they have so many ways to beat you it would be tough for a true boxer to battle a guy like Fedor.
     
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    hes the greatest ever.. sure he can kill any boxer, but still he wouldnt stand a chance in boxing.
     
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    Boxing is indeed a very skilled and technical sport, but Fedor's monstrous strength, ability to absorb blows, and his ferocity would translate very well to boxing. You don't necessarily have to be the best boxer from a technical standpoint to be the best boxer in the world.


    Under MMA fights Fedor wins hands down. Not even close. Under professional boxing rules, I'm not even sure the boxers would be able to take Fedor in a fist fight, especially if Fedor trained prior to the fight to learn how to box. Highly adaptable fighter, and arguably the best in the world.
     
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    thats like saying a badminton or squash player could beat Federer if they trained for it:) Fedor is a fighter not a boxer, he will never be, dont get confused..
     
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    I say give Fedor 6 months to train for a boxing match and he could probably take on most boxers. You can't say the same for a squash player going pro at tennis.
     
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    not trying to insult you but you clearly dont know much about boxing..
    I was one of the top amateur boxers in Denmark once and I have never met any MMA-fighter who would even get close of winning one round of boxing against me. and I met some pretty sick fighters along the way..

    MMA-fighters can throw punches no doubt about that, but they cant box..
    Fedor would never get close of winning in boxing, he doesnt have the skills, talent or technique..
     
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    was I not clear? I said OUTSIDE the ring like in Rocky V (again, very clear example) he would kill these guys. But in a ring its a completely different story...did I just repeat myself?? I would say yes. Please learn how to read.
     
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    uhmm didnt I say exactly the same thing??? maybe you should read before posting BS!
     
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    try watching Vitor Belfort in some of his early UFC fights. he is the only UFC fighter who could box as well. once he was part of the brazillian olympic team, but couldnt make it as a boxer. still he is the best they had by miles when it comes to boxing..
     
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    again, you are clueless. your response to me showed your complete lack of comprehension. I, on the other hand, have not read one of your posts so could care less about you.
     
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    Fedor is a FREAK, go back and watch that knockout at @ 3 min mark and then tell me he stands no chance against any heavyweight boxer, .....yeaah riiight.
     
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    LOL..an internet tough guy.:rolleyes:
     
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    I don't see why not. Obviously, they are tennis players now, but in a parallel universe where they had an interest in and trained to become fighters, what exactly is the glaring flaw in their physical make up?
     
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    Cross Country skiers are the best athletes. Pushing their bodies to the limit, and in the freezing cold!

    ps Bjorn Daehlie, one of the greatest Cross Country skiers, holds the record for the highest Vo2 max measurement ever recorded.
     
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    so you think Im a tough guy because I had a lot of fights LOL, just shows you are a ignorant little boy.
    a good advice in life is, if you dont know what you are talking about then shut up and listen and you might learn..
     
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    Great Boxers would say boxers are the best athletes football players would say they are the goat and on and on.
     
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    just too many ignorant ppl in this thread, waste of my time..
    try posting your oppinions in any boxing/MMA forum and you will hear exactly the same as I sayd. you should clearly stick to tennis..

    bet if I made a poll on this site saying: would Federer beat Fedor in MMA. you guys probably would vote Federer!

    have fun in your dreamworld..
     
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    you actually seem like pretty much the only only one who is interested in this subjekt.
    if you want me to explain please send me a mail..
     
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    There's more to sports than just pure physical strength and fitness, you also have to have talent, skills, and ability. If you were to fight a 60 year old boxer, it wouldn't be the equivalent of fighting some random 60 year old, the boxer would still be able to fight well, he would just be slower because of his age.
     
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    yep, you are an internet tough guy.
     
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    bye bye, Internet Tough Guy.
     
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    Who mentioned Azerbaijan?

    Also, I was just providing more accurate numbers for big bang's example.

    As for the topic, professional tennis players are great athletes regardless, as are footballers. I also think they have very similar physiques, they just compete in very different sports. No need to choose between them. As a whole, footballer's athletic gifts are just as variable as tennis players, but you select the best 10 and obviously they will be up there. Even so you still get outstanding players like Lionel Messi who is 5 ft 7 and considered by many the best footballer of his generation, Maradona at 5 ft 5, considered the GOAT by many, and Juninho Paulista, also 5 ft 5 and one of the best when he was playing. All great athletes, but I see no great advantage they have over tennis players. Likewise, I see no great advantage tennis players have over them. Both, provided they had the required skills, would be athletically equipped or have the potential to physically compete in either sport.

    Who said anything about the best footballers not having to work very hard to become the best? Obviously they do. All of them would have been outstanding juniors, just like tennis players, and hard workers. The only thing about football is that there is no objective and systematic ranking system, so there is no real way of knowing who would be ranked where if there were. Any number of players can be considered to be in the top 10, so one can kind of hide behind the ambiguity. You can choose amongst any number of players you consider top 10, plus they have the support of a team. A good player surrounded by a great team will probably be able to shine more than a player of the same quality in a poorer team. Look how Michael Jordan's or Maradona's team mates benefited from having them in the team, both mentally and physically. In tennis there are no places to hide, the ranking system is objective and systematic, plus you cannot lean on anyone else in matches. You are much more exposed. Even practice is a much more solitary event, without the camaraderie and motivating support you get in football.

    Also, I don't think you can say Safin could not get close to the top as a footballer. Maybe he could, maybe he couldn't, but you certainly cannot tell from here. Had he not picked up a racket, but instead followed the development path of an Ibrahimovic or Messi, who can really say how good he would have become? Maybe he would have been crap, maybe he would have been great, but no one can know. He certainly has the physique to become a great footballer. Ironically, Safin was turned away by Bollettieri himself, from his academy, when he was 9 or so, and told he did not have a chance of making it. He sure proved him wrong.
     
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    Why not post it here so it can be debated?
     
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    John Daly is a physical specimen. How many pro athletes can
    pound a 12 pack and then go out and compete with the
    best in their sport while carrying a 100 pound backpack?
    (well for him it's just excessive fat)

    Jordan w/a 100 lbs backpack? He'd be grounded?

    Usain Bolt w/a 100 lbs backpack? He'd be in the steeplechase
    instead of the 100m.

    Fed? He'd be sitting on the ground beating self-rated 5.0's on
    TW instead of the ATP.
     
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    Okay sure. We will. Why exactly are you even debating with tennis fans anyways, if you are such a huge ambassdor for MMA/Boxing? You should go stick to your sport filled with athletes that have single digit IQs due to brain damage from punches. :lol:
     
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    Boxing is mma on training wheels. Keep your hands up and back away from your opponent. Its barely even a fight now adays. Plus fedor gets hit with fists, not some cushion gloves, may as well hit him with a pillow. Boxing and mma are night and day in terms of skill.

    I watch mayweather and that was the last boxing fight ill ever watch. Extremely boring and unskilled unless running from your opponent into the corner for protection is considered skill. In mma he would be rocked when he balls up and crys to the ref.
     
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    This is part of the challenge of boxing, it's not simply about brutality. There is less recourse in getting your opponent to submit; you cannot kick them, knee them, elbow them, wrestle with them, strangle them, restrain them etc. On top of that, you have to solely subdue them with 'cushion gloves', which is probably going to require a lot more stamina, strategy and speed at the highest level. In a bar brawl, Fedor will probably come out tops, but in a boxing ring, where there are rules, it's not so clear. Remember, we are talking about sports here, not who has a greater capacity for violence (dispensing and receiving). Look what Ali did to Foreman in 'The Rumble in the Jungle'. In a bar brawl you would expect Foreman to win, as the more imposing looking figure, and many at the time already penciled Foreman in as the winner, but they forgot Ali was an artist in the ring and very skilled in the art of boxing. I think you need a more nuanced approach than simply inferring Fedor would destroy all the boxers because he destroys all the MMA fighters. Totally different game with nothing but 'cushion gloves' for weapons. That ESPN analysis seems to think boxing is the tougher sport, with martial arts positioned just one spot above tennis at No.6. Not that that particular study is gospel, but clearly it is not at all outlandish to surmise Fedor would have significantly less success as a boxer.

    http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/sportSkills
     
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    MMA is not martial arts (at least from what I can see based on their ratings). They do not clearly define martial arts at all in fact. Do they mean full contact or not? etc.




    I think you clearly don't know anything about MMA if you think Fedor with a few months of training specifically dedicated to boxing couldn't step into a ring and clobber most guys.
     
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    Boxing is a totally different sport. It's like saying "boxers are horrible athletes, they would get slaughtered in a submission wrestling tournament!"

    Liddell is an incredible fight. At his best, his punches were lethal. He's gotten knocked out a few times, he's getting older, he bought into the celebrity and spread himself too thin, he's not as good now.
     
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    Do these kids work with a coach every day? Do they go to academies where their whole day revolves around systematically turning them into soccer machines? I know IMG has some soccer players there. Pretty sure anyways. But I always thought of soccer as being more like basketball, where kids play in parks, then start playing organized basketball, but don't necessarily have a private coach or move across the country to train with the best soccer/basketball players.
     
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    Let's try to break this down. What makes an elite athlete? Some examples:

    Endurance: Lance Armstrong types, soccer players, triathletes, decathletes, marathon runners, etc. Many I could consider with better endurance that tennis players.

    Variety surfaces or conditions: Many athletes compete in a variety of conditions and multiple surfaces. NFL players can play in 80 degree temps, in\outdoors, snow. Soccer players, Tour de France cyclist, etc. Again tennis players don't seem to be at the top of this list either.

    Speed: Usain Bolt, Wide receivers, etc. Not too many tennis players running a sub 4.4 40.

    Quickness:Boxing, Race car drivers(hand speed is incredible. They can go opposite lock and catch a car at triple digit speeds insanely fast). MLB hitters, golfers, tennis. All have to accelerate something super quickly be it bat or body parts.

    Hand\eye coordination:MLB hitters, NHL guys, tennis players, goalies.

    Anticipation\reaction times:Drag racers, mlb hitters, goalies, tennis players.

    Mental toughness\concentration:Race car drivers hands down. Try having to concentrate at 100% with no breaks(F1 drivers can't relax even during a pit stop) for that amount of time. How many nutcases have been ranked top10 in tennis?

    Violence(I mean being physical with another person):NFL, NHL, hockey, boxing, mma, etc.

    Killer instinct: Jordan

    I just threw at some quick examples. Not the difinitive list. Please add examples or categories. Let's see what it takes to be an elite athlete and then where tennis players fit in each category. They don't seem to be the best in any one category, but are towards the top in a few.
     
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    Well, MMA is supposed to be a mixture of martial arts. Wrestling also gets in there at No.5, so there seems to be some consistency in their assessment of combat sports. Also, given most martial arts are full-contact sports, particularly the most popular one's, I think it's safe to say they do mean and/or include full-contact disciplines.

    I don't claim to know a great deal about MMA, but you also have bing bang here stating you don't know a great deal about boxing either, so who knows what? I think there's a bit more to boxing than clobbering opponents. I think that's the point. In MMA there seems to be more room to be savage and go in all helter-skelter, whereas in boxing there are more rules and restrictions. This is where someone like Fedor might come unstuck. I'm not saying I know for sure either way, only that it's not obviously a slam dunk in his favour. As I said before, this is not a competition for who can be the most violent. In that Fedor is going to win hands down. This is about whether he would be as a effective in a boxing ring with 80 odd percent of his arsenal under lock and key. It's the same principle as whether he would be as effective under wrestling, karate, judo or kendo rules in those environments. Because he's great in MMA, does not mean he would dominate all other combat disciplines.
     

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