Tennis players are the best athletes, says Sampras

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  1. NamRanger

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    I dare you to put the most world's athletic person in the ring against Fedor and see what happens. Kevin Randleman was probably one of the most athletic people in the world, period, and Fedor barred him into submission.



    If you think Fedor, the guy who went toe to toe with CroCop in a stand up fight for the majority of the match (and then finally got the take down he wanted), can't box, I'm sorry. You're freaking crazy. Fedor certainly isn't going to be heavy weight champion, but if you tell me that if you gave Fedor 6 months to train he couldn't become a solid boxer, you're crazy.
     
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    Arlovski? Hit him in the chin once and it's over :(


    Granted, it's hard to do that since the dude has insane strike speed.
     
  3. Datacipher

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    O....K....you clearly have serious comprehension problems that are so severe, we cannot discus this:
    1.you are STILL using other mma fighters to benchmark Fedor's athleticism, showing that you STILL do not understand what I am saying, despite explicit elaboration

    2.putting an "athletic" person in the ring to have an mma fight with Fedor??? WTF??? I have no idea what this argument is even ATTEMPTING to address. NO "athletic" person will do well against a pro athlete in a sport which is not theirs. BIZARRE.

    I can certainly see how you have such strange ideas. You are obviously1 not following even the basic discussion. This is just as non sequitur as your strange comments about whether I was talking about "endurance". (which, as I pointed out, I never referenced in any way)

    PS. I am actually quite heartened to see that many on this board can see the same thing I'm referring to about MMA. Actually a lot of athletes I talk to anecdotally, fans and non-fans of mma, also acknowledge this! Again, it will take both time and money, but MMA will get those elite athletes eventually. (I am also perversely glad to see that some who don't understand this are clearly.....challenged! ;-)
     
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  4. Datacipher

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    No, that is not all you claimed. The thread is still right there for anyone to read.

    Perfect. This is another illustration of another dimension in which pro/amateur tennis differs. I guarantee that a pro could have you barfing on court very quickly, if you really can "retrieve anything". Just as with athleticism, conditioning is often not a crucial deciding factor at low level amateur tennis. However, like athleticism, it will become a limiting factor eventually.


    Nope. Here is where your argument is completely irrational. The first lines are fine, they are restatements of what I said about tennis having a high skill component.

    " And this is not to say that athleticism doesn't matter, but that the claim cannot be made that tennis players are the best athletes of all sports, because other sports put more emphasis on athleticism and less on skill than tennis does"

    READ YOUR LAST LINE AGAIN. Do you see how ridiculous it is? It's nonsensical. It does not follow. If you mean something else, perhaps rephrase it.
     
  5. big bang

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    this is a thread about athletes if you havent noticed?
    first of all I didnt make this thread, Sampras claimed that tennis players where the greatest.. I didnt start the boxing/MMA comparrison, but if ppl dont understand what they are talking about I better explain.

    stop this BS I have no interest talking to trolls..
     
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    well Fedor is superior compared to Randleman, much more skilled and complete as a fighter, thats why he beats him.

    you keep bringing Cro Cop up, do you think you can compare him to a boxer then?
    what dont you understand about boxing? just because you can throw punches doesnt mean you can box..I suggest you try asking this question on boxing-scene or eastsideboxing or any other forum and ppl will tell you exactly the same as I did.

    how about this to compare: 2 guys both work out at the local gym, every day for many years they train hard. the first guy only do benchpresses and is one of the best in this dicipline.
    the second guy train every muscle and is one of the strongest, suddently he wants to compete in benchpress. you think he could beat the other guy within 6 months??

    another one then about tennis: one guy only train serves he spends many hours aday for many years.
    the other guy trains the same amount of time but trains every stroke in the book. you think he could learn to serve as great as the first guy within 6 months?

    both examples would be much easier than going from MMA to boxing.
    there is a lot more to boxing, the punches are very different from MMA and the footwork and bodymovement is very different and takes many years to perfect.. nobody will ever be able to take on a pro-boxer in 6 months no matter what your background is..
     
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    I have known a couple pro boxers, was the athletic trainer for a boxing club, train in mma myself, and now, an acquaintance just got signed with the UFC (really happy for him). And you're spot on. Some top mma fighters certainly have the raw ability to be good amateurs! (though most are lacking the skills/training/experienced), and some are. A few could even be decent low-level pros. There's nobody close in MMA yet, with the hand speed, foot speed, eye-hand and reflexes, or training to be a top pro boxer. This shouldn't even be a question....
     
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    we seem to have similar backgrounds Datacipher, I have trained a few of the danish pro-boxers and a lot of good amateur boxers over the years. several MMA-fighters and thai/kick boxers have been sparring in my club and none of them could hang with our best amateur boxers.
    I agree with you that some of the MMA-fighters have the raw ability to be good boxers and if they had started boxing at a early age they probably would have done pretty well.
    some ppl think that if you can throw bombs like Fedor you can box, but there is just so much more to boxing than just throw punches. I guess you have to some kind of experience/knowledge of boxing/MMA before you can understand it..
     
  9. Azzurri

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    maybe you should find a boxing/mma forum. this is a tennis forum.
     
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    maybe you should try get a life and stop trolling. this is a thread about athletes..
     
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    How does beating some untrained athlete in a fight make fedor a better athlete?

    MMA guys might be up there as some of the strongest, most powerful/explosive guys (though I doubt they would be stronger or more powerful than olympic weight lifters), but they certainly are not the fastest, most coordinated, most flexible, quickest, best endurance athletes.
     
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    I think you have said enough about BOXING on a tennis forum. You do realize this is in the GENERAL PRO PLAYER DISCUSSION???? If you want to talk about a dead sport (boxing), go to the odds/ends. But this discussion should be tennis related, you have gone far off the path.
     
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    do you realize Im not the only one talking boxing and MMA?? if you dont like this discussion go somewhere else theres no need for trolls like you in any forum..
     
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    "Untrained?" Wow. Because Kevin Randleman's a fat ass right?
     
  15. Azzurri

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    what is it you don't get? enough about boxing.
     
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    what are you? the new sheriff in town? stop being a troll you jerk..
     
  17. Azzurri

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    ok, you now done with boxing..good. lets discuss athletes and TENNIS.
     
  18. Datacipher

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    Well....I think it helps if you have high level experience...especially coaching/evaluating. Most people, (as demonstrated here) even avid fans, are totally unable to evaluate an athlete. Often, they simply think the bigger more "ripped" guy is the greater athlete! In other cases, they fall into the illusion (this one is more tempting), of judging the person only by those around him. This would be like saying, WOW, that guy must have a 150+mph serve like Roddick...not realizing it's because his 110mph serve just looks that way compared to all the 80mph serves around him.

    Even boxing fans can be like this. It reminds me of the time I went with a couple boxing coaches and a couple astute fans to watch Gatti/Mayweather at a pub. Well, the obvious consensus between us was: man this is going to be a massacre! Well at the pub, all the avid fans were salivating, awaiting the opposite. You see they were Gatti fanboys, (he was IMMENSELY popular here), and their general consensus was: the warrior Gatti will beat up the prettyboy! Well we had heated arguments about it during the undercard, with me telling our new acquaintances that they were on crack, barring a miracle, it really doesn't matter how much of a warrior you are, if the other guy has twice your handspeed, faster feet, quicker reflexes, better technique.....well...

    Gatti and Ward are going to be two of the more athletic guys in your region! Bonner and Griffin are going to be two of the more athletic guys in your city! But, the top pro boxers? They're elite. Griffin has as much chance in a boxing match with Lennox Lewis (I'm not talking about weight here) as he does running the 100m at the Olympics, but MMA is still a very young and undeveloped sport where a guy like Griffin, who is tough, can train for 4 or 5 years and then have a wildly succesful career at the "top"! That's an example of what I'm referring to, when talking about the general level. But, as we both agree, some of the most talented MMA fighters would have had some chance at pro boxing had they started at a young age, many though, would never have. A guy like Griffing? I can't imagine him going pro in ANYTHING else, even had he started at age 5.

    But anyways, I digress wildly. I think anyone with a good eye for athleticism can see it. Years ago, I went to a univserity volleyball match. While having a friend explain to me the scoring(that's how clueless I was), I immediately said "that girl is a fantastic athlete!", he was puzzled as she hadn't done anything spectacular. But I could see, her balance, footwork, the ease with which she was casually jumping on the serve, her ability to improvise with her hands....now that girl is going pro in beach volleyball! I dont' say that to toot my own horn, I think many good coaches would see that instantly...but the vast majority of people would not. (note: she was by far the SHORTEST person out there!)
     
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    Sampras is and always is trying to create controversy. Sampras has been known to be excessivly arrogant and also a pompous individual. For him to say tennis players are the best athletes is ludacris. I am one of the best athletes in the region on the tennis court and I for one can name tons of athletes around me on the football field and the basketball court that would make me look weak. Pete is being disreprespectful once again to the likes of Usain Bolt, Lebron James, and cristiano ronaldos of the world. Pete is trying to back up the claim of what he once was. In other words Sampras is trying to boost his ego because Federer has passed him up. Thats probally the truth whether you or I like it or not--thats what Pete is doing. NBA players are better athletes, NFL players are better athletes, and so are boxers and MMA fighters. Thats how it is--its not my bias opinion it is fact. I play tennis and am not bias--i never will be, fact is fact. Tennis players are not the best athletes.
     
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    Great post! you describe exactly what Im thinking, I just cant describe it the same way as you because of my some how limited English vocabolary:oops:

    You are absolutely right about being able to spot a great athlete, I can see it right away, I bet every good coach can.

    Yesterday I went to my tennisclub for a hitting session with my friend. I came early and watched some juniors practice, they were around 10-11 years old and all just started with tennis. Right away I spotted a boy named August, not because his technique where better than the rest but because he where very athletic, moved well, had very good balance and where the only one really bending his knees when he hit low balls. He was so concentrated and did his best the intire session, you could see he was a winner.
     
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    The best mma heavyweight (or whatever top mma weight is called) would be soundly beaten by the best heavyweight boxer under queensbury rules.
    And the best heavyweight boxer would be soundly beaten by the best mma heavyweight under mma rules, most likely by the mma fighter taking the boxers legs and finishing fight on the ground.

    If mma heavyweight was capable of beating world class boxers under queensbury rules, he would be a boxer instead as there is far more money in boxing.

    Back on topic, how does one define best athlete? Its a purely subjective term.
     
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    Those people who say that a non-boxing athlete would be able to last 1 minute against a professional boxer ... really have no idea how long 1 minute in a boxing ring is. Most likely they've never been in a fist fight themselves.
     
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    A challenge with a variety of athletic events and skills like the "Rexona Who's Australia's greatest Athlete challenge', which had about 8 different events is the right approach for finding the best all around athlete.Maybe the type of events chosen will favor different types of athletes but then people can still gauge who the best athletes are in different type of athletic events and skills and their strengths and weaknesses by how well they scored in the different events.

    The fittest guys are not necessarily amongst the best all around athletes. In the particular challenge above the iron man was relatively hopeless at most events besides his own event.
     
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    us tennis players whether pro or recreational player can be the fittest and strongest athletes amongst the other sports but when we step into the ring or the octagon(mma ring), we would get absolutely destroyed.

    it is debatable if tennis players are the best atheletes as exhibited in this thread.
     
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    I think martial artists would be the best athletes in the world when you combine all the best attributes:

    * hand eye coordination
    * physical fitness(low BF%)
    * anaerobic and aerobic fitness
    * agility
    * skill
    * speed
    * mental toughness

    I'd put tennis players right behind them. I'd say that Bruce Lee was the greatest athlete that ever lived.
     
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    pete sampras isn't a "great" athlete.......neither is/was "TIGGER"!!....at least a tennis player is athletic in the way of running, competing against others! "TIGGER'S" so-called downfall cant do nothing but help tennis! Right Martina?
     
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    Sorry I am a martial artist and I don't see it rubbing off in my tennis. Tennis atheletes are the most fit since they have great endurance and speed. Martial artist have a lot of speed in their technique but not so much in the movement department except for a few. Still tennis inovolves a mix of everything while martial arts are about reflexes, power, speed, cunningness and the use of the environment! You can't compare both, and tennis to me is the sport with the better athletes. I mean the tennis guys might not beat the martial arts in the ring but the same hold true in the courts of tennis.
     
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    I wonder how good Bruce Lee's forehand could have been?
     

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