tennis rackets good for tennis elbow

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  1. jimanuel12

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    I have had a bad bad case of tennis elbow this summer.
    it started this spring when i used a very light racket (9 oz) strung and just got worst.
    it is some better now but I have only played one time since june.
    i got rid of the light racket (a wilson hyper hammer) and am considering a Fisher M Speed Pro number one - 11.8 oz oversize
    flex rating - 58.
    from the reviews i have read, it seems to be a very arm friendly racket.
    has anyone out there had any experience with this type of racket?
    i have played tennis since i was 18 and am 60 now, love to play and have always been a power hitter, but am getting too old to hit the ball that hard anymore and this is maybe the reason i hurt my arm.
    only hurt my arm one time in 40 years until now.
    any advice about the fisher racket?
     
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    I'm certainly no expert but a soft flex rating and a soft string should do the trick -- that 58 rating works. But you may want to consider taking some time off in addition to switching racquets.
     
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    Classically a heavy, head light and flexible stick is felt to be best for TE.
     
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    This should be a good racquet for you. Just make sure the racquet swings easily for you at that weight.
    Consider some soft multifilament strings or natural gut.
    Make sure you haven't picked up any bad habits, like "breaking your wrist" just after striking the ball.
    Try some exercises to get you arm in shape, especially after a layoff. (These should also help prevent shoulder problems as well.) http://www.asmi.org/SportsMed/media/thrower10.swf
     
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    thanks

    thanks for the advice, i think i need to take some time off and wait till next spring before i try to play again.
     
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    ^^^ Really good advice, and a good choice of racquet too.

    If I can recommend an exercise for the off-season: Get a large bowl and about 2 lbs of short grain rice. Grab handfuls of the rice and squeeze for about 5 minutes without stopping. It's an excellent forearm exercise, recommended by my PT.
     
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    Beautiful to hold, easy on your arm and shoulder, close out priced at $80.00, what's not to like? I would love to have bought these, if only because they look so good, but they were selling for $200.00 when I was in need. Just be aware that there may not be any more made after the current stock sells out so get one in your size now and if you really like it, seriously consider buying a couple extras now because they may not be available later. You might even find that your TE subsides on its own with the new stick
     
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    thanks to everyone

    :)thanks to everyone for the advice, this is very good forum and i appreciate the advice from everyone who responded.
    i love to play, and it has really been hard not to be able to go out this summer and hit the ball around.
    i guess i will have to lay off until next spring and let the arm heal.
    i am going to get the Fisher racket and never again play with a super light racket, i have learned my lesson the hard way.

    thanks again
     
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  9. scotus

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    Go straight to ProKennex 5G.

    I tried a whole lot of so-called arm-friendly racquets. You might as well save yourself the trouble.
     
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    I'm partial to the 5G myself, but the Fischer is a huge improvement over the OP's hyper hammer and it's a beautiful stick for the price.
     
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    what about the Donnay Pro One Oversize Racquet?

    i have looked seriously at this racket also, but hate the color, is it too heavy?
    what do you all think about this one?
    tennis warehouse only has 1 Pro kennix 5G left and the grip is too big for me.:)
     
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  12. mike53

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    Not too heavy for me and the same weight as the M Speed Pro, but I would never buy anything that I didn't like the way it looked. The 5G in all sizes can be had for $120.00 from another vendor. This is also a closeout racquet so it may not be available after current stock is sold out.
     
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    You have several options. I think they shoud include elbow braces with the hammers.
    What age, level are you and what are your goals?
     
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    I read your post again and see your age and power issues.
    I think you should take a look at the Head LM8.
    I see people playing quality tennis with this frame, hiting good deep balls and it is very comfortable.
    My guess is it might be a better fit for you.
     
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    thanks,
    i am 60, been playing since i was 18. only had arm issues one time in 40+ years until now.
    i like to hit the ball really hard, but the hammer is just too light and it killed my arm.
    i need to go back to a heavy racket but will have to get the arm healed up completely first.
     
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    thanks

    i looked at that racket and really considered it, but i thought maybe an oversize, heavier racket with a good flex might be better. i am looking at the Fisher Pro one and the Donney oversize. do you play with the head LM8?
     
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    thanks

    age 60, like to really hit the ball hard, but the hammer is just too light, maybe i can go to a lighter racket once my arm is healed completely but not the hammer, it is too light.
    i bought a wilson K factor Kzen heavy (not the K zen team) but the older model, it is 11.2 oz strung and seems to have the power i want. i have not played with it yet, arm still hurts, but want to try it out when the arm is healed up.
    what do you think about the Kzen heavy?
     
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    What about the Head, Youtek rackets? They are supposed to be stiff when hitting hard and flexible when hitting soft. Since you are pulling the racket into a whipping action to meat the ball on fast shots, your wrist is flexible anyway to avoid pulling tendons at recoil, and you don't need the racket to be flexible. But on volleys and slices, you are hitting softer and have a firm hold on the racket and are more susceptable to recoil so you want a flexible racket there. It would seem that the Youtek technology might fit both situations. Does anyone have any experience with Youtek rackets and tennis elbow?
     
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    lots of info in racquet research. racquets tested are not latest models but the principles and formula for choosing a racquet are there.
     
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    The PK Ionic 5 is actually better...
     
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    Better for your arm, better for your game, or both?
     
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    The ProKennex people say it is better for your arm. It is a less popular stick so there are less testmonials online. My guess is the PK folks are correct, my experience is neither one causes arm pain.

    It definitely has more "pop" (the 5G is a bit dead, OK it is pretty darn dead) so is better for my game. I do have to say that I use it modified, though for even more playability, but it still does not hurt my arm.
     
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  24. Bud

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    Agreed. Go straight to the 5G if you've got pretty severe TE and must play. Also, string it with a very soft multi or natural gut.
     
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    To the OP...

    In 2000 and 2001 the PK 5G took first place in that racquetresearch 'test'. It dropped down a bit when they changed some of the parameters of the test.

    http://www.racquetresearch.com/whatsnew.htm
     
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    Yeah, stay away from the light racquets. I'd go with something that is 11 oz or more. I've heard tha Vokl and Boris Becker racquets are supposed to be particularly arm-friendly = good shock isolation (or dampening) = they do not permit very much frame shock to be delivered to the arm.
     
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    There really isn't a fixed rule bout what causes te but I think that these are the more important factors that help prevent it:

    1. Something that absorbs as much shock n doesn't transmit to the player, ie softer frames, decent plow through. Although, stiff frames may not cause te if it can absorb shock well.

    2. The correct swing weight/total weight that a player can comfortably handle ie not too heavy or light.

    3. Something that matches your style of play, swing stroke, game style, flat or heavy spin balls.

    4. A good balance not head heavy n something that doesn't get unbalanced when the ball is struck.

    My take would be relatively heavy frames, that have sufficient plow through so that the frame does the work for you n does not require the player to muscle through the stroke.

    Very importantly, strings n tension are as important as the choice of racquet.

    mawashi
     
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    what about the pro kennex 7G?

    i have read that the pro kennex 7G is just as good on the arm as the 5G but has more pop and is 1/2" longer (i use a two handed back hand).
    any experience or advice about the 7G?
     
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    I actually use 7G. It is the same frame as 5G but is, as you said, 1/2" longer.

    Now, whenever a frame has a longer length, it is supposed to be less arm-friendly than its shorter cousin.

    Which is why I originally recommended the 5G.

    I have used 5G as well. I like 7G better. But when I recommend frames to those suffering from TE, I always recommend 5G. Once the arm feels better, feel free to switch over to 7G.
     
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    I have tried both 5G and Ionic Ki5 at the peak of my TE.

    5G is definitely more arm-friendly.
     
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    I dropped down two grip sizes from a 4 1/2 to a 4 1/4 to get rid of my tennis elbow.
     
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    thanks


    thanks, i will go with the 5G first and then go from there
     
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    Well, PK's own data disagrees with you...
     
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    5G or 7G?

    now i am confused again:confused:
     
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    The reason the Ionic has that name is that PK learned that the beads in the Kinetic develop static charges bouncing around in the body of the racquet, so they stick together and to the side walls, diminishing the Kinetic effect. By using something (I don't know what it is) to "ground" the beads, they bounce around randomly in the Ionic, hence better arm protection.
     
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    Are there any mid-size arm friendly racquets out there (98 max) ? How does the Black Ace 93 & 98 play ?
     
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    I am very much aware of that. Which is why I bought 3 Ki5s to begin with. But no, no, no. My arm told me over and over again that it was much much happier with 5G and 7G.

    And there are plenty of other posters here who agree with my findings in this regard. They have used both 5G and Ki5 and find 5G superior in arm-friendliness.

    Remember, my testing was not done with a healthy arm but an extremely sensitive, aching arm that would tell you exactly which frame sent up more shock and vibration.
     
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  38. LuckyR

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    I am not casting doubt on your experience, merely adding some quasi-objective info to the mix.
     
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    No problem at all.

    The OP should perhaps just demo both frames and decide for himself.
     
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    I use the PK 7g since I like the extra length for my 2hbh. Although the claim to fame of this racquet is arm friendliness, it's a very good racquet by any standards, IMO. I don't miss my Babolat PC too much, nor does my arm.
     
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    To LuckyR... ask anyone with TE who has used both the 5G and the Ki5 and they overwhelmingly prefer the 5G (myself included).
     
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    The 5i and 5G specs are close, but not exactly the same, so it's not really apple to apple comparison with the Ionic technology being the only difference. Beside, PK said they used a new Kinetic material and changed the process to implement the Ionic thing on the 5i. So that's a lot of different changes that might have added up together to make the 2 rackets different enough in terms of arm friendliness.

    The marketing of the Ionic 56% performance improvement might have been focused more on the power than on the arm friendliness. That's why people say the 5i has more pop.

    Yeah, PK claims "further reduction on frame shock and vibration" on the 5i, but I wonder how much of this is marketing BS and how much of it is based on scientific data, because how can you objectively measure frame shock and vibration?

    I suspect the main focus of the Kinetic technology all along has been more about loading up the kinetic energy of the micro bearings for more power upon impact, than it is about reducing shock/vibration reduction. Shock and vibration reduction is a nice side benefit, but it is probably PK's secondary goal compare to the power benefit.

    So PK probably just happened to come across the right formula that made the 5G very arm friendly by luck. But when they changed the formula on the 5i to get more pop out of it with the Ionic thing, they might have messed up the arm friendliness factor for the worse, eventhough PK marketing claims it should be better as well.

    The real pudding in the test is when the rackets go to the hands of users and get tested by users, not when PK's marketing claims it is as such. So I would tend to believe the actual users more than PK's marketing claims.

    I only have 2 PK 5Gs but I don't have any PK 5i, so I can't offer any personal opinion on the differences of the 2 regarding arm friendliness. I can only offer my guess above.
     
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    tried both Ki and 5G after shoulder surgery and went with 5i since there was a better blend of power and arm friendliness. Also tried 7G and felt that extra 0.5 inch was too much at this stage, but certainly is better for 2HBH.
     
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    I think Volkl is the best line of rackets... with them, i feel almost NO vibration whatsoever...
     
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    Which frames did you try?

    I tried the venerable C10 Pro Tour and the DNX 10 MP.

    ProKennex was better than C10 PT, and the DNX 10 MP was far from being arm-friendly.
     
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    volusiano,

    If the kinetic system were originally designed for power enhancement, wouldn't it be illegal to use these PK racquets at tournaments?

    I believe the regulations specify no moving parts on or inside racquets.
     
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    Interesting point about this regulation. But even if that's the case regardless, it would be illegal no matter what the Kinetic technology were designed for, power or shock reduction or even just for fun with the rattling sound, don't you think?
     
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    You have a point there, but I think non-PK users would have brought it up at some point to tournament officials IF the kinetic system gave its users an unfair advantage.

    As someone who has used all sorts of racquets, I am confident in saying that the power generated by PK frames with kinetic system is nothing remarkable.
     
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    Yep, I agree that the PK frames are not know for its power and are more known for its arm friendliness.

    I'm not saying that the Kinetic technology is an effective technology for power improvement. I'm just saying that PK might have lucked out on the 5G/7G series when they implemented the Kinetic technology more with power in mind but ended up working out better for arm friendliness. Remember this is just my pure guess only. I'm just saying that whatever good formula they had in the 5G that worked for arm friendliness, they must have mucked it up when they made the changes to add in the Ionic stuff and apparently it took away some of that arm friendliness eventhough they claim that Ionic is supposed to be even more arm friendly.

    The bottom line is what the users think matters, not what the manufacturer says. It reminds me of the New Coke vs Classic Coke story where Cocacola thought for sure they had a better winning formula with the New Coke, but users ended up liking the Classic Coke better anyway.
     
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    Well the weight of the beads relative to the weight of the raquect body makes it unlikely that it is providing much in the way of power to the stick and all of us who have tried it will describe both sticks as various forms of dead feeling.

    My personal experience was that the 5G helped me get rid of the TE but didn't do much for my game, I later used the 5i when it was available to add better game play and suffered no negative feeling to my arm, currently I have customized my 5i to be quite game friendly (very different to it's play, stock) and I still have no elbow issues.

    I don't disagree with your experience nor your theory as to what PK's literature states, though my first guess is that there is some objective research data to back up their claims. We just don't know.

    One thing is for sure, the 5G has cult-like status, so player's subjective feelings may be less accurate than it would seem.
     
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