Tennis Recruiting National Showcase Series

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  1. treeman10

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    From the article on TR linked below:

    The Tennis Recruiting Network is excited to announce a new series of tournaments called National Showcases. Tournaments in the National Showcase Series are USTA-sanctioned junior tournaments open to players from all sections. These tournaments are designed to give a broad range of players the chance to compete outside of their districts and sections - and these tournaments will count towards Tennis Recruiting rankings.

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    http://www.tennisrecruiting.net/article.asp?id=1585

    I agree with what they say about the directors, the ones I know on the list run great events. Looks like more playing opportunities which is great. Nice follow through Dallas and TRN.
     
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  2. jigglypuff

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    I don't see the incentive for anyone to travel... Looks like the better local kids are going to play up, if they even play.
     
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  3. Misterbill

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    From reading posts here, I have the formed the opinion that objections to the USTA's proposals center on the following three concerns:

    1. Fewer chances to have memorable family trips to national tournaments
    2. Fewer opportunities to play a wider selection of opponents from other sections
    3. Fewer opportunities to be seen by college coaches because it is more difficult for college coaches to travel to regional or sectional events compared to national events

    I think the TRN National Showcase Series addresses each of these concerns, and I was expecting the posters who were complaining about the USTA's proposals to be elated about this.

    Am I out of touch with the general sentiment of the Board yet again?
     
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  4. lala28m

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    It sounds confusing. For parents new to tennis, it would be simpler if there was one governing body.
     
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  5. maggmaster

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    I wish they had the mens open at every one. I would love another national mens series like this.
     
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  6. Misterbill

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    There still is only one governing body.

    This is my attempt to simplify:

    If you are looking for a family trip to a national junior tennis tournament, and your child does not qualify for a USTA national, there is now another series of national tournaments you can travel to.

    If you think your child does not have a wide enough diversity of opponents in your home section, and your child does not qualify for USTA nationals, there is now another series of national tournaments that would probably attract opponents your child has not played before

    If you think D1 college coaches won't see your child if your child does not play in a USTA national tournament, there is now another series of national tournaments at which coaches can see your child
     
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  7. treeman10

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    Good posts Misterbill. Yes, more opportunities to play = good.
     
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  8. ga tennis

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    AWESOME!!! We will be playing all of these in the South.
     
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  9. Misterbill

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    In addition, matches in these tournaments will be reflected in TRN rankings. What's not to like?

    I guess anyone who is trying to chase USTA points might greet this development with indifference. Except for those families, who isn't happy about this?
     
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  10. klu375

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    Your concern #3 is only partially addressed. The Winter BG16-18 that USTA wants to whack has almost 1000 applicant. There will be large number of coaches and assistant coaches looking at large number of recruits (mostly juniors) all in one place. Coaches are building their recruiting lists for 2014 now. It is a convenient time for most players and coaches to meet each other (even if they cannot talk). Small tournaments in random places will not replace events like that. Based on my limited personal experience this event should not be eliminated - it should be expanded with larger draws in BG18.
     
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  11. Misterbill

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    Just to be clear, the "concerns" I have stated are not mine. They are based on my reading of posts by those who are opposed to the proposed changes

    I do not have a problem with the concept of smaller USTA national draws. I have not taken the time to assess all the details, and I suppose some details could be tweaked. I generally adhere to the MarTennis line of thinking that the USTA's proposed changes shouldn't make any given junior a better or worse player.....hope I haven't misrepresented your thinking, MarTennis.

    In response to your specific comment, it has been our family's experience that a coach who is recruiting in the top-50 TRN, will not usually look at #200 TRN just because #200 TRN happens to be at the same tournament with the top 50. I suppose lightning like this could strike, but I think the odds are low.

    Coaches who focus on #150--#300 for example, will go where the largest concentration of these players are entered, whether it is a USTA national or a TRN national, I think.
     
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  12. klu375

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    I partually agree with you. Maybe 2 different draws one at L1 and one at L2 simultaneously would not be a bad idea. Actually this is kind of what will happen in Arizona - some juniors will not make the cut into 18th and will play 16th with the hope to be seen too. And some of them are inside 100 TRN.
     
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  13. HIGH-TECH TENNIS

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    We've watched this series of tournaments as it developed but have been keeping the secret since LAST AUGUST--whew! :) What a relief that now we can speak openly! So SHOUT OUT to our friends at Tennis Recruiting for recognizing a need and for stepping UP on behalf of junior tennis players!! :) YAY for giving players more choices -- the changes would have harmed too many!!
     
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  14. gully

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    Simpler, yes, I agree. Better? That's another question. It strikes me that the current regime of the USTA -- which, frankly, is in charge -- is really interested only in the top 1 percent of players, a group from which they hope a top pro or two might emerge, and thus justify their exorbitant salaries, staffs, and facilities.

    It looks to me like this new set of tourneys is being proposed to meet a need that the USTA Player Development and Junior Competition folks have very little interest in. And I agree with MB, these events should help address the concerns/gaps identified by the parents, coaches, and juniors who have spoken out against the USTA's planned changes.
     
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  15. tennis5

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    Agree. If the USTA leaves a vacuum, others will fill it.
     
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  16. Chemist

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    There is only one Showcase tournament in Eastern/Middle States/Mid-Atlantic sections. We would love to drive to a few of them. Perhaps, some of the L5 sectional tournaments can be made a part of the Showcases.
     
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  17. Alohajrtennis

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    Many of these events are actually national L5's, so there are actually some national points for some of them, but that would only be for 2013. In 2014, there are no more L5's.
     
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  18. Chemist

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    One can only get section or national ranking points if he/she is from the section that is hosting the tournament. BTW, sections may still do L5 in 2014 and use the ranking points for section endorsement, even though the L5 points will no longer be included in national rankings.
     
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    Would it be nice to host a showcase tournament in the same town and during the same week as the hard court super nationals (in Kalamazoo and San Diego)? This would also allow coaches to have a chance to watch some 3 stars and 4 stars.
     
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  20. tball2day

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    You just can't compete with the biggest show of the year in junior tennis. It's the Zoo/Nationals and is meant to be exclusive.They have other events to see 3 and 4 stars, this is the place to be for the top dogs. I think it would lose something if it was any other way.
     
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  21. Alohajrtennis

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    My post was correct. If the particular event is an L5 national event(not all are) in 2013, you will get national points regardless of your section. You will only get sectional points if you are a resident of the section. In 2014, if the changes are implemented as planned, there will be no L5's and no national points.
     
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  22. Chemist

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    Sorry I was not aware of any L5 or L4 national events. I hope to have a chance to get a definitive answer from the USTA folks at the upcoming winter national (their 3rd listening meeting) if they are eliminating L5 or they would let the sections decide if they would continue to host L5 for section ranking points in 2014 and beyond.
     
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  23. Tennis Sam

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    I've got no horse it this race, but it will be interesting to see how well these tournaments are received.

    This series definitely adds more opportunities to play out-of-section players. But will the people most vocal against the USTA changes travel to play in these events even if they get NO points for their USTA national ranking? Anyone care to venture a guess?
     
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  24. Misterbill

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    If the posters objecting to the USTA's proposed changes are honest, and I believe they are, the concerns were:

    1. Opportunities for memorable family trips to national tennis tournaments
    2. Chances to play a diverse range of competition from out of section
    3. Opportunities for college coaches to see players from different sections in a single location.

    And all of this contributing to the TRN ranking.

    I think the TRN National Series meets each of these concerns. So based on the opinions expressed in this forum, I would predict they will be well-attended.

    If my judgment about the posts is wrong, and the real concern is USTA points, well the TRN Nationals won't help there, and that surely would detract from participation
     
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  25. watergirl

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    I just wish there were some in Texas or Oklahoma. The ones listed are pretty far to travel to and we have only left our state once to play.
     
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  26. Chemist

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    My son plays most of national events year around. We always minimize his missing school and try to control our budget and as such would choose a L3 or L2 that we can drive to or fly over in 2-3 hrs. Getting him national ranking points is important. But we will play TRN series if we can drive over in a few hours or we don't have to miss school.
     
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  27. Tennis Sam

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    I suppose that's what remains to be seen. This series of events should test that claim. Probably hard to form any conclusions based on the Costa Mesa event since it is happening so soon after the announcement, but once we get into the summer months we should have a clearer answer.
     
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