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Discussion in 'Junior League & Tournament Talk' started by servelefty2233, Nov 29, 2006.

  1. servelefty2233

    servelefty2233 Rookie

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    www.tennisrecruiting.net is a great website...it has a bunch of different rankings...like 2 different national ones, a college recruiting one, and a bunch of other stuff for juniors...you should check it out!
     
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  2. xtremerunnerars

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    I saw. It's only a matter of time before i'm a blue chip!
     
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  3. servelefty2233

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    do you know how they calculate the stars and the blue chips?
     
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  4. xtremerunnerars

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    I do not. I can sort of gauge myself as to what i would be though...and it seems like i would be a 1 star recruit. I've beaten (some handedly) kids that were 1 star. I only beat one two star that i know, but that was a long time ago. He would probably smoke me now!
     
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  5. serveitup911

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  6. LASVEGAS ACES

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    Read these sites for entertainment only- There are a lot of people who want your money, the internet has just made it so much easier for them.

    The real facts are that if you are good, they will find you- All the same information about contacting universities and such is FREE at the LIBRARY.

    This is just like "sponsorships" - Understand that if you should have one, you would, it is NOT a measure of how you should feel about you game or the progress you are making- just stand up and represent, get your grades and it will come.
     
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  7. xtremerunnerars

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    Vegas, do you think that if i get to be a strong 4.5 or MAYBE a 5.0(if i work my ass off, which is what i intend to do) by senior year and if i have a 4.23 GPA that i'll have a chance at getting some financial aid?
     
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  8. LASVEGAS ACES

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    If you are not yanking- Here's an example of a reference book:

    A parent's and student-athelete's guide to athletic scholarships: Getting money without being taken for a (full) ride. c 2000 (Dion Wheeler).


    Div III schools CANNOT offer athletic scholarships, so they write up a pretty nice package. The advantage is, that if you diecide not to play later on, they can't really take it away from you, since it was never based on playing.

    Title IX has destroyed the smaller Men's sports- too bad, as it was supposed to INCREASE opportunity, and this will never get back in front of Congress to fix as it is not a priority. But fine schools like St.Louis-Washington, Brandeis (team name- "The Judges") and University of Chicago offer tennis AND are not too shabby to graduate from.
     
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  9. SDTENNIS

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    If you beat someone who is highly ranked (4 star for example) I am a 1 star...and the person you beat is not in your Grade...does that still help your ranking?
     
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  10. LASVEGAS ACES

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    I think the only rankings you want to think about are from the USTA tournaments you play. Just play in as many tournaments as you can afford- This will give you a "tournament tough" attitude for when you need it, and the averages between crumby draws and good ones will help.

    Rankings are nice to look at and all, but I 've been told you want to concentrate on the person across the net from you, right now, and how you can play your best game.

    You don't want to be looking at opponent's rankings and past games too much and freak out if they seem too good, or lose because you were overconfident.
     
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  11. SDTENNIS

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    okay...hmm thanks for answering the question?
     
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  12. LASVEGAS ACES

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    Where I play, you don't get extra points for beating younger guys.

    With my freinds- the players I hang with, If a younger player "plays up" in a tourney we play them like you run after a home run- with sportsmanship and trying not to "show up" anyone.

    The Tennis Recruiting Network has an email address and phone number for questions that are not covered in the site "Commonly asked questions" area.
     
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  13. brayman9

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    that sight is good i just started and they had my name and a tornament i played last week. I wish you didn't have to pay though
     
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  14. RunningHoo

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    Tennisrecruiting actually does not cost anything.

    Just one quick thing... As far as I know, Tennisrecruiting.net does not cost anything to players. All players who have competed in larger tournaments are listed on the website, and players/parents can update their information for free.
     
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  15. redsoxrock930

    redsoxrock930 Semi-Pro

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    I think that tennisrecruiting.net is a great website
     
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  16. Silentgunz

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    dude awesome im on there :)
     
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  17. EasternRocks

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    lots of ppl go on that web alot. i heard that some college coaches go on that and go recruit some good kids at big tourneys. they also grade the kids in the same year as you. its very intersting.
     
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  18. JLyon

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    you're best working your butt off and getting into Top 250 National Ranking. Send videos to schools your interested in, but one thing make sure your video shows you playing someone at or above your level. Videos showing a potential recruit destroying some lowly beginner does nothing for coaches. Most coaches attend the Super Nationals and regional they will attend the Sectional Level tournaments (Southern = Bullfrog, Texas = Grand slam and MZ).
     
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  19. redsoxrock930

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    Do you know any other good sites like this
     
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  20. mrmo1115

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    tennisrecruting is good but sometimes there caculations and rankings are off and not exactly pin point as the usta rankings are on tennislink

    i believe that if you are playing some one and just want a little preview of what your going against then you should go there

    if ur just researching and want to find out more about people especially if u want to know what your true ranking is on usta then go to to tennislink

    im not going to flame tennisrecruting.net but ive beaten many kids who are either 4 or 5 chips and i am .500 with 3 chips i should be moved to a 4 chip or a 5 chip im confused about how he upgrade you from 3 to 4 or 5 to blue

    any body know?
     
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  21. tenniskid3119

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    they sent me an email, so I looked at the site and I'm on there?! i didnt even know it. It has my right city and state but It says I'm a senior. I'm just a sophomore.
     
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  22. mrmo1115

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    well thats what i mean they get years mixed up but i know that you can self change it yourself
     
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  23. JMS

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    yeah ryan noble is number 6 in the nation for boys 16s, and just took 3rd at the national cly courts, and he is not a blue chip recruit? and he is only 20 on their national list, it makes no sense
     
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  24. Aeropro master

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    i should be a one-star recruit! Its about time somebody posted stuff on this site. I spend a decent amount of time on it.
     
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  25. weeman123

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    explaining tennisrecruiting.net

    Tennisrecruiting.net isn't exactly in line with the ranking because it takes into account other factors. Also, the ranking aren't based on your graduating class. You could be one in the country in sixteens and there are other people in your grade doing better than you in 18's and itf's.

    The Stars work like this(not exact numbers):
    1 star-below 700
    2 star-top 700
    3 star-top 400
    4 star-top 200
    5 star-top 75
    blue chip-top 15? (very subjective not what number you are also includes big wins etc.)

    The stars are only updated once a year in around late september. I hope that helped.
     
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  26. babolat15

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    ive known about this site for more than a year now
     
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  28. weeman123

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    that not supposed to be your state rankiing on tennisrecruiting.net it's comparing the tennisrecruiting.net ranking of people from your state
     
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  29. rinz

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    I think tennisrecruiting rankings are more accurate than USTA rankings because they are based on who you beat and who you lose to.
    JMS, Ryan Noble isn't a blue chip because they decide what star player you are every september (if his ranking stays where it is now he will be a blue chip next school year), and his ranking is 20 because its based on tournaments from the last 12 month's, and he lost to many people who were not highly ranked last fall.
     
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  30. Cfballer5

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    its a pretty awesome sight but ive noticed that they dont update it that much because my record is way off on there.
     
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  31. <3Tennis

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    But there's 12 people in you're state o_O
    If you click on the return to ranking list on you're ranking page, it only lists 12 total players.
    Is Maryland that small?
     
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  32. rinz

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    I think he is ranked number 1 in "Maryland" on that USTA ranking because its a regional ranking, and since most of the better players in Maryland don't do regional tournaments they are not on that ranking list.
     
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  33. NebAce1

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    yea rinz is right.
     
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  34. babolat15

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    seems inaccurate to me
     
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    Hey Seveitup, Can you ask your guy, if Isner's serve is really as unreturnable as it looks like it is ?? I don't understand why the pros are having so much trouble with his serve, maybe it is due to the fact they haven't seen it yet. Even Ivo Karlovic gets broken more often than Isner. And Deeverman doesn't seem to have as much trouble with Isner serve and he is just a challenger level player at best.:confused:
     
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  36. I think they update all the weekly rankings every tuesday, and they update all the stars in September. They also release the hot 100 lists every 3rd week.
     
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  37. rnoble

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    JMS, RINZ is correct. Tennisrecruiting rankings are more accurate as they take people by birth year and put them in their age group when computing the rankings, even though they may be excelling when playing up a division or two. Examples of 16 year olds: Rhyne Williams, Jamere Jenkins, etc. 14 year old Denis Kudla playing 16 and 18's.

    As for Ryan Noble, he had been a blue chip since the rankings started in '03. He competed in the Easter Bowl '06 with an unknown broken wrist, and was rounded for the first time in his career in singles. However, he still managed a Silver Ball in doubles. After that, he had surgery following sectionals when it was diagnosed, and then missed The Clay Courts, The Zoo, and 2 National Opens at that time. Tennisrecruiting does not issue the Blue Chip Status but once a year in September. There are no ranking protections for injuries as is done on the WTA and ATP. Therefore, Ryan lost that status in '06 as he could not compete to get the wins associated with a strong National Schedule.

    I assume it would open up a flood gate of problems with kids claiming all sorts of injuries to protect recruitment options, should their status be put on hold by tennissrecruiting do to injuries.

    Ryan will undoubtedly be a Blue Chip again this September.
     
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  38. redsoxrock930

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    thanks for that clarification
     
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  39. dallasoliver

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    Clarifying TennisRecruiting.net

    As a TennisRecruiting.net founder, I wanted to answer a few questions about the service. FWIW, here are some random comments on this thread. I apologize in advance for its length.

    - TennisRecruiting.net is not affiliated with the USTA in any way.

    - TennisRecruiting.net provides independent rankings that are unique in two ways: (1) we rank by graduation year rather than age group and (2) we use a head-to-head system rather than a points-based system (i.e., what matters is who you beat rather than where you play).

    - While we do have confirmed graduation years for more than 10,000 juniors, there are many juniors for whom we do not have graduation years. We make an "educated guess" at the graduation year based on a player's age, but there can obviously be errors. We clearly note players where the graduation year has not been confirmed. Players and parents are welcome to create a free account and update/confirm the graduation year.

    - The website is free for players to use - they can update information for college coaches to see. We do have a premium pay service as well, but that service is to view additional information, read articles, etc.

    - RINZ, rnoble, and others are correct - TennisRecruiting.net produces a single ranking of all kids in the nation - the regional and state rankings we show are simple filters on the national rankings.

    - Playing people in other classes does indeed count towards your ranking.

    - New rankings are released as follows:
    - Boys College Recruiting Lists - Every Tuesday
    - Girls College Recruiting Lists - Every Wednesday
    - Boys CollegeRPI - Every Thursday
    - Girls CollegeRPI - Every Friday
    - Hot 100 (players improving their rankings) - monthly on Monday mid-month

    - The ratings (Blue Chip, 5 Star, etc.) are produced once a year in late September and are based on play from the previous year ending August 31. For example, the ratings that come out this fall for 2007-08 will be based on tournament play from 1 Sep 2006 through 31 Aug 2007.

    - The ratings are calculated according to the College Recruiting List rankings. Period. They are a completely objective rating - there is no subjective component. However, we do not change ratings for the year after we award them - Michael McClune and Hilary Barte are still Blue Chips even though they quit playing junior events long ago and are no longer ranked.

    - Ryan Noble should absolutely be a Blue Chip when ratings for 2007-08 are released in 7 weeks... unless he loses badly in some local tournaments between now and the end of the month. (TIC)


    OK... that's certainly enough. Again, apologies for the length. If you have questions or comments, I'd be happy to discuss, but it may take me a couple of days to get back to you - this is a busy time of year for us.
     
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  40. JMS

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    thanks for the clarification :grin:
     
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  41. Does anyone know around what rank are the stars, exactly?

    Blue Chip=
    5 Star=
    4 Star=
    3 Star=
    2 Star=
    1 Star=

    Thanks
     
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  42. dallasoliver

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    Top Prospect Ratings for 2007-08

    There is not a set number for each rating (Blue Chips, 5 Stars, etc.). The actual number depends on the number of players in a graduating class.

    For example, when we introduce the Class of 2014 next week, there will be fewer than 500 players in the girls rankings. We will not have as many Blue Chip 6th-grade girls as we do in the older classes where there are more players.

    That said, the ratings do go by the College Recruiting Lists, and we do draw lines. The rankings we will use should look a lot like the list we publish next week - since it has all play from September 2006 through August 2007. However, we will accept corrections through September 15th, and then we will calculate a final list for the ratings. Also, some older kids (like Madison Brengle) may declare that they are professional - and that takes them out of the list as well.

    The 2007-08 Top Prospect Ratings will be available in early October.
     
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  43. MIGHTY MANFRED THE WONDER

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    dallasoliver-
    Thanks for continuing to help clear some things up about Tennisrecruiting-

    What happens to points/wins made at BIG tournaments played over NEXT COUPLE DAYS- all the LABOR DAY weekend tourneys?
    These (technically) are AUGUST '07 & I know Tennisrecruiting won't CUT the tournament scores in half- SO- in or out of calculations?
     
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  44. dallasoliver

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    Good question. Our system uses the start date of a tournament for all of its matches. So any tournament that starts on Friday, August 31st will be included in this year's 2006-07 rankings - but a tournament starting on Saturday, September 1 will count in 2007-08.

    One other note - results for some tournaments will not be available on Sunday night / Monday morning when we freeze our data. However, we will rerank later in the month, including all results from these weekend tournaments as well as other corrections that are submitted by September 15th.

    Thanks again for the question - I am happy to clarify things.
     
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  45. redsoxrock930

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    why are not all tournaments counted on my tennisrecruiting record, especially some lower tournaments.
     
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  46. dallasoliver

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    Tournaments used in Rankings

    This is a natural question to ask. Since TennisRecruiting.net has a head-to-head system, it certainly seems like a good idea to include all tournaments - more data leads to better rankings, right? Unfortunately, it doesn't really work that way. Including smaller tournaments is a mistake that many people (including us!) have made in the past.

    An important consideration when doing a head-to-head ranking is how "well connected" the players are. Head-to-head rankings are excellent when the players have a lot of matches against the rest of the field. But things can break down when there are pockets of players with no cross-play.

    To take a simple example, a head-to-head system cannot really compare:

    * Player A who reaches the semifinals in several super-national tournaments.
    * Player B who is undefeated - but only competes in local tournaments.

    While Player A is almost certainly better, there is no data the ranking system can use to differentiate the players without classifying the tournaments. Restricting the set of tournaments we use - and only making kids eligible for rankings if they play a minimum number of matches - ensures good connectedness. Leaving out the local tournaments ensures that above case with Player A and Player B never comes up.

    It is for these reasons that we restrict the tournaments considered to large national, sectional, and district tournaments - where we expect the players will be well-connected.
     
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  47. MIGHTY MANFRED THE WONDER

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    Dallasoliver

    Since Tennisrecruting has some ties with Tennis Warehouse anyway-

    Would you please consider watching the Junior League & Tournament Talk
    section to provide more information as the questions come up?
    All the Jr. players seem to have good questions and this can only help snowball Tennisrecruiting site as a whole, as more Juniors open the site.
    Thanks
     
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  48. AndrewD

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    Doesn't that disadvantage the players who can't, for financial reasons, travel to those bigger tournaments or are limited to the number of bigger tournaments they can afford to play?
     
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  49. racingdad23

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    He is #1 of 12 on the "eligible" list. There are 204 more in the ineligible list. So really he is 1st of 204 in his state.
     
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  50. MIGHTY MANFRED THE WONDER

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    Unfortunate that you have just hit on why tennis at "top" levels is considered (by some) everything from "inbred" to "racist".

    It is a very, very small set of folks in the "polo set" who can afford to satisfy whatever drives them to spend this kind of money; When you have tiny little kids going all around the world, I would guess you also have a lot of dough.

    No matter what your opinion (good, bad or indifferent) of the Williams' sisters-That old man somehow tapped the right money at the right time and got them there. He may be nuts but you got to give them that.
     
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