Tennis should not be an olympic sport

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  1. ashitaka2010

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    I know this is an old, silly and probably useless debate but I think road cycling, tennis, football and basketball have no place in the games.

    First, let me say that I do not doubt the personnal motivation of these athletes. But except for the notable exception of basketball (only because the olympics still overshadow the FIBA world cup) those sports don't seem to add any more excitement or rating.

    For Phelps, Uchimura, Bolt and many more, the games are the single event that define their greatness whereas it's only one more of many trophies to add for the like of Wiggins and Federer. It lowers the achievement imo.
     
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  2. SLD76

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    It can be an olympic sport, I just dont agree that pros should be allowed to compete. it should be for the juniors and amateurs only. or at most, players in their rookie year on tour.

    I feel the same about basketball and football, no pros. imo
     
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    Agreed.

    I think there actually is a special rule in football regarding the composition of the team, but don't what exactly.
     
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  4. batz

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    If you don't allow pros to take part then Bolt isn't winning the 100M, neither is anyone else you've heard of.

    If you don't allow sports where Olympics aren't the pinnacle then basketball, football, road cycling and many others would also be out of the window.

    I'm not sure this greatly reduced amateur-fest sounds particularly attractive.
     
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  5. ashitaka2010

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    What is the point of having "junior" football and basketball?
    Judokas and rowers are not juniors.

    I think team handball is great at the olympic (no need for a world cup here) and it's a pro sport.
     
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  6. Alchemy-Z

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    I've always been fine with pro's

    Olympics should be a competition of the greatest athletes around the world.

    in 1992 I got to see the dream team as a 12 year old kid....still the single greatest event I have ever witnessed.

    seeing all those legends on 1 court sporting the red white an blue was amazing.

    and as for tennis it's a great opportunity to gets seats for a Pro that you would never see because they play no tournaments near you (1996 atlanta olympics) was my only chance to see Agassi.
     
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    Olympics were imagined as strictly amateur competition. Some great names, like Ingmar Stenmark in skiing, were banned just for having semi-pro status. Then the games were high-jacked by media, big corporations and world elitte... Original spirit is long gone. No point trying to argue pro vs amateur.... Tennis is ok as an Olympic sport, just as any other game played worldwide.
    The only rigth thing to do would be to ban the Olympics all togethet.
     
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    I find your reasoning weak.

    The Olympics should showcase the best represented sports (most people playing such sports worldwide) and they currently fail to do that.
     
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  9. ashitaka2010

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    I can hardly imagine FIFA world cup and OG (with pros) coexisting.

    My (admittedly) weak point is why should already overrepresented sports have, again, more international competitions when the olympics are not even the pinnacle of their sport.
     
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  10. Bartelby

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    Should be under 21 or whatever rules apply to football.
     
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  11. MariaRafael

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    Why should we strip off the pros only from these sports? The other ones should follow. And nobody would watch the Olympic Games because who cares for amateurs. There'ss be no TV coverage, no sponsors, and eventually no Olympic Games.
     
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    Olympics games are rather silly. Used to be a pisssing contest between USA and Soviet, now it's USA and China
     
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  13. MariaRafael

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    Ingemar Stenmark was a bronze medal winner in 1976 Olympic Games (Innsbruk) and won two gold medals in 1980 Olympic Games in Lake Placid. He was banned from only one OG in 1984 (Saraevo of all things), and reinstated in 1988.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ingemar_Stenmark
     
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  14. Bobby Jr

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    It's impractical for a sport like tennis... because to be any good at tennis you need to play basically full time, anyone who was good enough to compete as an amateur would likely not be bothered to wait four years for the chance to play while passing up opportunities in between Olympic meets.

    Likewise, if we're looking at it from a professionalism point of view what actually constitutes being professional? Winning money? If so, what about guys who've won no money - but get paid by sponsors or get free hotels, flights or gear. Those things are a form of payment so you could view it as being a step in the professional 'market'.... In true prof vs amateur terms stuff like that would affect many top juniors or players who have no realistic chance of making any money playing the normal tour.

    The things I think tennis has got going for it in terms of being an appropriate sport to have in the Olympics is that tennis is a very widely played sport in terms of countries. It's also not overly equipment dependent, has a very long history by modern sports standards and it was originally an Olympic sport from the time the modern Olympics began until they cut back on the amount of sports in the 1920s...

    Surely it warrants inclusion moreso than trampolining, BMXing, sevens rubgy or half of the swimming sub-sub-sub categories etc.

    When I saw that board sailing has been dropped for the next Olympics, to be replaced by kite surfing I was finally convinced that the Olympics sports selection process is a complete joke.
     
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    I'm well aware of those facts. Never the less, he was still banned from Sarajevo (which I should probably be glad about, as our Franko squeezed the silver). Just as NHL, NBA, and other pros couldn't play.
     
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  16. BlueB

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    Very, very good points!
     
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    Agreed.
    The Olympics become more and more bizarre as time goes on.
    I'd rather tennis not be associated with them and that the season is uninterrupted.
     
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    So true. A contest to see whose urine clears
    the dope test.:)
     
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  19. Paul Murphy

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    Now, that's something I can agree with. :)
     
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  20. Biscuitmcgriddleson

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    Sentinel for the win. :) I guess if that was the original intent of the Olympics it will become a rivalry between Spain and France no?
     
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    should be an under 21 event or something similar to the soccer under 23 event.the big guns shouldnt be here.its just not cricket...........
     
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  22. LuckyR

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    There are lots of opinions about the Olympics.

    Many agree there are too many sports. Over the last couple of days I think most agree there are way too many swimming events (medals).

    What to weed out?

    Some (like the OP) don't like sports where there is already another venue that is bigger, like in baseball, soccer, tennis, cycling etc

    Others don't like recently made up sports like rhythmic gymnastics, synchronized diving, wind surfing

    Others don't like judged "sports".

    Lots of opinions.
     
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  23. BigServer1

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    100% Agreed. Keep the pros, it's awesome.
     
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    In the real world where countries will "support" ameteurs, I agree, keep the Pros, since they are all "Pros" anyway.
     
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  25. SLD76

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    yes, just like people didnt watch when there was no tennis in the games.
     
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    Exactly. Tennis was an Olympic sport from the very first Olympic games in the late 1800's, when there were only 9 sports in the Olympic games in total.

    Besides, I'm really enjoying it.
     
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  27. Bartelby

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    Tennis broke out of the amateur stranglehold earlier than other Olympic sports, but I don't know if that was responsible for its late re-inclusion.

    It now should be for players coming out of juniors in their first three years who then have one chance in a career to win the Olympics.
     
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    Amateurs and juniors already have a place to compete: WTT.
     
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  29. ashitaka2010

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    If we keep them then we should get rid of the current football competition and bring Messi, Xavi, etc... not gonna happen... ever.
     
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    I think any sport for which the Olympics is not the most prestigious event shouldn't be in the Olympics.
     
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    To the OP, are you defining an Olympic sport as basically exercising, ie, swimming, running, weightlifting etc? If yes then maybe I agree. If olympics are all those sports with no interaction with one another and just races then probably agree.
     
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    Actually no, most of the sports here are legit (ice dancing and trampoline are an embarrassment tough :)).

    I'm just curious what will people think if/when the NBA succeeds in keeping their pros out of the games.
     
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    And walking not sure why that is a medal event has been since 1908. Nba will prob go the way of soccer. Where they are allowed 3 players over the age of 23.

    Medal counts should be weighted. Basketball should count for at least 5 medals compared to the tons of events in the race portion like swimming and track and fiels
     
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  34. sundaypunch

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    Maybe they will drop tennis and bring back "tug of war" as an olympic event.
     
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    I fully agree for multiple reasons.
     
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    Tennis makes no sense for the Olympics. None. Neither does Football/soccer. But I think Basketball is OK, as on an International Level, that is the one they all want to win. I'm Ok with Cycling too, as a gold medal in the TT or road race is a huge deal to those that win it.
     
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  37. Wilander Fan

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    I strongly agree. Pro sports have no place. I cant even watch a tennis match because the local programming is opting for diving and table tennis on every station. Tennis is a huge global pro sport and coverage is a joke. IMO its a waste of time to include this when most people cant even watch the matches. Its also unfair to ask the pros to risk injury in a busy schedule for what is essentially an exhibition. I am a Fed fan but I would have had no issue had he decided not to play so that some juniors could get the attention. I cant blame Nadal for withdrawing.
     
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  38. ashitaka2010

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    I'm surprised that many here seem to dismiss the OG.

    Seriously, this guy is the Federer of gymnastics and certainly not an amateur.

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    I think tennis in the Olympics is fine. I'm also fine with professionals competing (otherwise, I'd probably not pay as much attention to it).

    The difference between tennis and a lot of other sports is that in other sports, the athletes playing usually play in different leagues and divisions across the globe and only meet to compete against each other once every four years. For instance, in basketball, every nation (or continent) has their own league consisting of pros from around the world. But only in these internations competitions do these players return to their home country to compete on a team made up of only fellow countrymen playing in the name of their nation. Same thing with football.

    Tennis is different in that while doubles and mixed doubles teams may only consist of countrymen, the singles competition is largely the same as any regular tennis tournament. The field is largely the same and the players competing against each other do so on a regular basis. I think that's why Olympic tennis feels less prestigious than many of the tournaments on tour.
     
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  40. sureshs

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    While you guys continue to debate this, golf is entering the Olympics in Rio.
     
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    Table tennis and badminton are also pro sports, especially in Asia.
     
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  42. Russeljones

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    It's well overdue. Golf is played by millions upon millions around the globe. Can't say the same of tens of sports and disciplines represented at the Modern Olympics today.
     
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  43. sureshs

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    Sports like rowing and archery and equestrian events are of historic importance, even if they are not widely participated in these days.

    Beach volleyball - well, we know why it is there, don't we?
     
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  44. Wilander Fan

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    If thats the way people want it, start paying prize money to everyone. I am guessing those broadcasting rights and tickets are not free. This entire idealistic community by sports is a complete joke the way licensing has carved up little broadcast pies.
     
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    It's a sport, so it should be included. It's about the best athletes in the world representing their country, nothing wrong with that.
     
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    Get rid the robin round in badminton! Otherwise, it won't be there at the next OG.
    Talking about robin round, that's also the format in WTF, no? How come there was not any rumors about someone tanking there? Well, not that I'm aware of.
     
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    The Olympics should have the BEST athletes in their respective sports competing against one another. C'mon guys... some of you cannot be serious.

    Scenario A)

    Carl is a pro. Carl can't compete in the Olympics. Fred is an amateur. Fred can compete in the Olympics. Fred proceeds to win the Olympic gold. Carl is far superior, however, to Fred.

    This makes no sense.
     
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    They also have the world championships, Pan Pacific games. But in tennis I fail to see what's the point. The slams already have the best in the world competing, same thing with the Masters 1000 events.
     
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    It does seem kind of goofy to have a world tennis championship (Olympics) at Wimbeldon just one month after they just had one there. What's the point?
     
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    Olympics = Money.

    No one is going to the expense of hosting the Olympics if they can't guarantee profit from tourism and % of TV deals etc.

    The sports you have mentioned are some of the the big draw cards of the Olympics, you need the superstars to be there to draw the crowd and money.

    In addition the rivalry between countries is still huge, this is an arena for "I'm better than you"; the sports you mention enable other countries besides China and the US to win something... lol
     
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