Tennis Warehouse: Babolat Origin Playtest

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  1. g4driver

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    :( :( On the reels -

    Reels save money and waste less string .

    Testing the Origin as a substitute for Tonic 15L - hope it allows the poly to snap back in the Steam 99S and last longer than the Tonic 15L
     
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  2. Lukhas

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    Interesting given that we have reels at TWE. Then, Babolat is a French company and we usually have their gear before the USA.
     
  3. Radical_player

    Radical_player New User

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    what are the actual specs for this string?

    stiffness
    energy
    spin potential
    tension loss
     
  4. Lack

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    Tennis experience/background:
    Played tennis for about 4 years. Was a high school varsity singles mvp. Now a high school tennis coach.

    Describe your playing style (i.e. serve & volley):
    Singles player. Eastern/Semi western grip fh, 2hbh. Offensive baseline.

    Current racquet/string:
    Head YT Graphene Prestige Pro. Lux Alu Power at 48 lbs.

    Tension used for playtest
    57, 61.5, and 66 lbs. Drop weight.

    Regular string set up
    Lux Alu Power at 48 lbs.

    Racquet brand and model used for test
    Head YT Graphene Prestige Pro

    Power of test string
    Babolat Origin is an extremely powerful string. I had to get used to it by lowering the angle of my racquet a bit. I liked how the ball was going very deep even without putting any effort.

    Feel (Stiff? Mushy? Muted? Crisp?)
    Excellent feel. It felt crisp at 66 and 61.5 lbs, and muted at 57 lbs. It had a very nice responsive feel.

    Spin
    Decent spin on backhand slice, topspin groundstrokes, and kick serves. Very similar to multis. Nothing special on this category.

    Comfort
    Very comfortable even at 66 lbs. I don't think anyone would get an arm injury with this string.

    Durability
    They all broke less than 5 hours each. Durability is similar to synthetic gut.

    Playability Duration (share thoughts on if/how the playability changed over time)
    Snap back stopped after an hour of hitting, and I could feel that the strings generated less spin and they became a bit difficult to control the ball to the corners. However, it wasn't that bad. I was still able to play my game very well until the string broke.

    Control (predictable trajectory? Easy to control depth? performance on different strokes and swing speeds?)
    Control was great. The balls went exactly where I wanted them to go. My flat serves were easy to place to the corners. Kick serves went out a lot, then got used to it. I really liked hitting cross court on serve return. For groundstrokes, I had to close my racquet head to swing fast on the ball. Volleys were great and came off very clean.

    Compare to the string you use most often
    Lux alu power has better control, spin, snap back, touch, and feel. Babolat Origin has better power, comfort, and tension maintenance.

    Tension recommendations (after hitting it, would you recommend a different tension? Why?)
    I would stick with 61.5 lbs, because I was able to hit very well without making too much errors.
     
  5. Micalzon

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    Tennis experience/background:
    Solid 4.0 rec player in south central Texas. I play 3-4 times per week, when weather permits and teach to young kids twice a week.

    Describe your playing style (i.e. serve & volley):
    Offensive based singles player. Occasionally play at the net due to height advantage. Flat and heavy first server with a high kick/slice second serve. Semi-western FH with a less than Federer-esque 1HBH but it works most of the time.

    Current racquet/string:
    Babolat Pure Storm, shaped/textured poly main (various types, mid 40's tension) with Multi cross (48-49 lbs tension)

    Tension used for playtest
    52, 55, 58 lbs strung on a lockout machine.

    Regular string set up:
    See above.

    Racquet brand and model used for test:
    Babolat Pure Storm Team and Volkl Organix V1 Pro

    Power of test string: 8/10
    Power was quite good considering the higher tension used in the play test. I thought I was going to lower the tension after moving up from 52 to 55 lbs but it still maintained good power after the jump in tension.

    Feel: 7/10
    I had high hopes for the feel of this string as I'm always looking for a good Multi. It felt better at the higher tensions but it was a little mushy at lower tensions (which is the range I prefer).

    Spin: 7/10
    Spin was about as expected for a soft-ish multi. I felt I could get some better spin if it were a 17g and played in the high 40's tension but it would probably be a little too springy. I wasn't expecting too much spin, so my rating was based on spin expectations for a thicker multi.

    Comfort: 9/10
    A very comfortable string in both the Pure Storm and Org V1 Pro as expected. I would recommend this as a cross to poly mains for those with sensitive elbows.

    Durability: 8.5/10
    I cut out the first two sets after about 10 hours of play on each so it's hard to determine the durability. However, the last set I'm still using after about 12 hours of play and is still holding strong. I'm not a string breaker so I usually have to go by other characteristics such as tension loss and notching. So far so good.

    Playability Duration: 8/10
    I agree with others that it lost some of its best playability characteristics after just a few hours of play, but once it settled in it played fairly consistent, which is something I like.

    Control: 9.5/10
    The control was probably the best element of this string. It played very consistent so it allowed me to play a very steady game. Very easy to get drop shots close to the net and allowed me to play my volleys/angles really well. Groundstrokes were nice and fluid and was able to place the ball right where I wanted them.

    Compare to the string you use most often
    Origin had more control and better feel than other multi's I've used in the past (Head Rip Control, Tier One, NRG 2, etc.). Still unsure about tension durability but so far it's on par with NRG 2 and better than Rip Control.

    Tension recommendations (after hitting it, would you recommend a different tension? Why?)
    In the racquets I used, I would stick with the lower tensions, somewhere in the 50-54 lbs range but I use a heavy top spin forehand and like to play a modern game. You could go higher in tension if you're looking for a more control set up. I think this is one that you'd almost have to play in a full bed, rather then as a hybrid. I feel I'd lose a lot of the characteristics I like if using as a cross in a poly hybrid. It would likely play well as a main though.

    Thanks again to Babolat and TW for the play test! Looking forward to the next one.
     
  6. Blitzball

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    Babolat Origin 16g Review

    Tennis experience/background: I’ve been playing for 6 years. I played 2 years varsity high school tennis and placed 5th in state. Currently, I teach Juniors three days a week. NTRP: 4.0

    Describe your playing style: Baseline counter-puncher; one-handed backhand, big forehand, kick/slice serve

    Current racquet/string: Wilson Blade 98 (2013) 18x20 strung w/ Luxilon M2 Pro

    Tension used for playtest: 52lbs

    Regular string set up: Luxilon M2 Pro strung @ 54lbs

    Racquet brand and model used for test: Same racquet

    Power of test string: The power was medium. I found more access to power than many polys I’ve tried, but in comparison to some multifilaments like X-one Biphase, there isn’t quite as much free power. But, I prefer low-medium power levels so that my shots won’t spray on me. 64/100

    Feel: There is a noticeable combination of muted and crisp feel. They’re also pretty soft—still not on par with the softness of multifilaments, but then again not nearly as mushy either, which is good. The feel reminds me of Wilson NXT Control, and a few hybrids that I’ve tried with poly and multis, in terms of feel at least. And they did actually feel somewhat stiff at first, but broke in quickly, so no concern there. 76/100

    Spin: This area wasn’t Origin’s forte. I did find decent grab on the ball, but only decent. I didn’t receive any extra spin, not nearly like what I get with RPM Blast or Cyclone. 59/100

    Comfort: Like I mentioned, there is a fair amount of softness that provides for ample comfort. I don’t have a history of strings causing discomfort on my arm, and these strings didn’t cause any whatsoever. Comfort, once again, reminds me of NXT Control, which isn’t the plush-pillow comfortable, but still good. 75/100

    Durability: The durability has impressed me so far. The strings have started moving (on my second set, I broke the first ones after around 12 hours of play), but there is no fraying which I’m thankful for. The strings seem to saw into eachother like polyester, so that makes sense given they’re polyamide (I think). Overall, for a reasonably comfortable, soft string with some crispness, I’m really happy with the longevity of the strings. 77/100

    Playability Duration: I’m also pretty impressed with the playability duration. Though the strings begin moving after just a few hours of play, they showed little drop in playability until maybe five or six sets in. A lot of other soft strings will drop tension in half the time, or be broken by then. But after that point, there is an abundance of power due to tension drop and worse ball grab (and, thus, poorer spin generation). 78/100

    Control: Control was very satisfactory overall. I rarely struggled with trajectory and depth, but the few times I did were either on my kick serve, or flat shots. On the kick serve, my placement was poor and I hit a few long, more than usual, but very few times. My flat shots went long occasionally too. I think the contributing factors were the lack of sufficient ball grab to be on par with spinny polyesters, and my poor skills in flat hitting (can’t blame the strings on everything!). Just to reiterate though, control rarely hindered my game and, for the most part, very much impressed me. 83/100

    Compare to the string you use most often: Compared to Luxilon M2 Pro, Origin is actually slightly more crisp in my opinion, which simply shocked me. Softness is similar, but Origin is more muted, which isn’t bad but not so much in my preference. Spin potential—not as good, but everything else was pretty close. They’re both strings that feel like hybrids.

    Tension recommendations: I liked the tension of 52lbs. I might try stringing slightly higher just because I was hitting a couple shots long here and there, but I doubt I would go any higher than 56lbs.

    List any additional thoughts: Good strings! I was honestly pessimistic about these strings at first—maybe because I don’t like the natural color. But with each set of strings, as I continued using them, I liked them more and more. I don’t think I’ll be switching to them because the spin potential isn’t quite where I want it to be, and they’re pretty overpriced, but I had a great time playtesting them. Thank you Tennis Warehouse and Babolat!

    Overall: 74/100
     
    Last edited: Feb 6, 2014
  7. Hopper11

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    Tennis Experience/Background
    USTA tournament player, ranked as high as #3 in the state. I have been playing for 11 years. Played varsity singles last year as a freshman.
    Playing Style
    6'1 agressive baseliner. Two big weapons are forehand and serve. Come up to net only to finish points.
    Current Racquet/ String
    Babolat Aero Storm Tour w/ Volkl Cyclone Tour 18g
    Tension used for playtest
    52, 58, 62
    Racquet brand and model used for test
    Babolat Aero Storm Tour
    Power
    Compared to Volkl Cyclone Tour, there was similar power. However, I felt myself having to swing a little harder to get the necessary depth. Compared to RPM Blast, it had less free power.
    Feel
    At 52 pounds, the string felt too mushy, and as I raised the tension, the feel became increasingly crisp. It is much more arm-friendly compared to both RPM Blast and Cyclone Tour. Similar to the other playtesters, the string felt somewhat stiff at first, but broke in in around 10-15 minutes.
    Spin
    Compared to Cyclone Tour, a shaped poly, and RPM the spin was slightly disappointing. I had to over-compensate in this part of the playtest by getting under the ball more to ensure balls didn't fly on me.
    Spin
    Comfort was one of the major upsides of Origin. It was much more arm-friendly than both Cyclone Tour and RPM Blast. Even at 62 pounds the feel was still soft and crisp, whereas RPM Blast would have felt like a board.
    Durability
    The durability was a little below par compared to RPM Blast, as Origin lasted me around 5-6 hours in all string setups.
    Playability
    Because the of the softness of the string, I assumed it would lose tension and playability quickly. However, it held tension surprisingly well and dropped little playability until the last 30 minutes of the string's life.
    Control
    The control of the string was average for me. Because of the low spin potential, I felt as though more balls flew long on me than normal.
    Normal String Comparison
    I felt as though Origin exceeded Cyclone Tour in terms of softness and crispness, but Cyclone Tour was better in terms of spin, power and control. I would recommend this string to someone with tennis elbow, but if you are looking for spin, power, and control, there are better options.
    Tension Recommendations
    For me, I felt as though 58 was the optimal tension of the three I had tried out. 52 felt too soft and mushy, and 62 lacked spin. As a final note, the feel of the string became crisper the higher the tension. With this string, avoid anything below 52.
    Additional Thoughts
    Overall, Origin was a decent string. I felt as though this string lacked power, and spin. For me, spin is a must-have when playing and at points the balls would fly off my strings into the back fence. This string is more for the people with tennis elbow, and better option are available if you are looking for spin and power.
     
  8. sp1derman

    sp1derman Rookie

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    Tennis Experience
    USTA ranked 4.0, high school singles, club player
    Playing style
    30 years old, 6'2" All court game, like to finish points at net, 2HBH
    Current Racket/String
    / MSV Focus Hex mains, Gosen OGSM
    crosses
    Tension Used for Playtest
    52lbs full bed, 57lbs as mains in hybrid setup (OGSM crosses, 59lbs)
    Racquet Brand and Model used for test
    Wilson PS BLX 6.1.95
    Power
    9/10,I felt too much power as a full bed at 52lbs, liked it much better at 57 in mains as the power was dialed down a tad. Easy to hit deep with this string, sometimes too deep...
    Feel
    7/10, Above average feel, volleys at the net and drop shots were easy to execute
    Spin
    4/10, as a full bed it lacks the spin I think many of us are now used to with poly's as a main or full bed.
    6/10, as a main strung at higher tension, more access to spin, however only slightly above average. I consider average spin the spin you can generate with a full bed of synthetic gut.
    comfort
    8/10, I thought this would be stiff and it did feel stiff while stringing but broke in nicely after about 20 minutes. Sometimes I can get TE from strings too stiff, not these in either set up.
    Durability
    6/10, The coating on the surface was getting eaten away at while playing on har tru. Lots of felt started to pile up on the string. This affected the spin and accuracy but not the power or comfort.
    Playability
    4/10, If I had a flat eastern grip kind of game or used a lot of slice I think this string would suit me better. Tension loss did not seem to be an issue but string movement and lack of spin was.
    Control
    4/10, because of the low spin potential short angles and spin serves were difficult for me.
    Normal String comparison
    A full bed is much softer than my usual set up with lots of access to easier power. As mains in a hybrid you retain some of the power and gain a little more spin. However, not enough spin for me to use this on a regular basis.
    Tension Recommendations
    I would string this towards the higher end of your range to take advantage of the power and create more accuracy.
    Additional Thoughts
    Maybe a version of this that isn't round might give the extra spin many are looking for.

    Thanks Babolat & TW
     
  9. jim e

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    Tennis experience/background:Mainly singles player, club player, Interclub 4.0 league play.

    Describe your playing style (i.e. serve & volley):Mainly baseline player

    Current racquet/string:Head Radical / All Wilson Nat. Gut 16g. 64lbs.

    Tension used for playtest 54lbs, 57lbs, 62lbs Used 3 racquets all the same, Head radicals (I have a good # of them)

    Racquet brand and model used for test Head radicals for all three

    Power of test string Power was very good for a synthetic string. Even the 62 lbs had decent power and was my favorite tension of the three.4/5

    Feel (Stiff? Mushy? Muted? Crisp?) Comfortably crisp feel! Baselne shots felt crisp and not mush. Feel was impressive for volleys as well. Really liked the 62lbs.4/5

    Spin I am a relatively flat style hitter, but this string did provide the spin when needed3.5/5

    Comfort For a synthetic string strung at 62lbs, was very comfortable,this string has the comfort with control at the higher tension and I am a nat. gut user. This string had a decent comfort level to it especially for my baseline shots.4/5

    Durability The 62 lb. set up (Used that one the most as was more suited for me than the 2 lower tensions)The 62 lbs broke at the 8 hour mark of singles hitting. Control and crisp feel was best for me at the 62lbs, so other tensions were not used as much, ended up cuting those out after 2 hours each. 3.5/5

    Playability Duration (share thoughts on if/how the playability changed over time) For the 8 hours of play that it lasted it hit real well, although some tension loss was felt, the 62lbs held up and played well until it broke at the 8 hour mark, I bet if it did not break it would still been very playable. It worked out well at the higher tension.

    Control (predictable trajectory? Easy to control depth? performance on different strokes and swing speeds?) Easy to control for my baseline playing.Especially the higher tension of 62lbs. After an initial getting use to, control was great, I'm sure Babolat had control in mind with this string, or maybe its just me with my flat style of hitting with the higher tension. 4/5

    Compare to the string you use most often: Compared to Nat. gut this was a very comparable string. It is making me think about changing to this from nat. gut, although I like the nat. guts playability until it breaks, as sometimes I get a long time friom nat. gut and this one broke at the 8 hour mark.

    Tension recommendations (after hitting it, would you recommend a different tension? Why?) Of the 3 tensions I really liked the 62 lbs, as the other 2 were too low for me. The control along with the crisp feel, and comfort were great at this tension

    List any additional thoughts (optional) This strings comfort, crispness, and power makes it a great string. I will most likely try it some more, and I will recommend it to some of my customers as well.
     
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  10. mattavery24

    mattavery24 Rookie

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    Include the following in your review:

    Tennis experience/background: Solid 4.0 Rec and local league play player. Former Division 1 baseball player, turned tennis enthusiast. Play in a work league with mainly 4.0’s and also play with friends that are 4.0-4.5, 2-3 times a week.

    Describe your playing style: I am an All Court Player with a solid serve. I use a combination of playing from the baseline and coming into the net to put pressure on my opponent. I try to incorporate wide variety to give my opponent different looks throughout a match.

    Current racquet/string: Yonex VCore Tour 330 gram with a leather grip and flared knob strung with volkl cyclone or RPM Blast 17

    Tension used for playtest
    1) 60 mains 58 crosses
    2) 55mains-53 Crosses

    Regular string set up – Volkl Cyclone 16 or RPM 17 @ 55-53 pounds

    Racquet brand and model used for test – Yonex VCour Tour 330 gram

    Power of test string – 3/5 – Definitely more power than an all poly setup, but once I strung it higher the second time, there was a lot more control and less power. It is middle of the road for power. Natural gut is definitely more powerful as well as some other multifilament strings (Prince Premier Touch). It is a great string for control if you cannot use a poly.

    Feel – Played very crisp. I loved the feeling of this string bed once I raised the tension for my second use. I was able to have much better feel at the net than I get with a poly that I normally use. The first time I used it at my normal tension (55/53) it lacked feel and the ball was sailing on me after a couple of hours. I was not a fan and actually strung my second frame at a higher tension the next day to compare. At 60/58 it felt great and I was able to play very similar as I do with poly, just a little bit more free power on serves and my backhand.

    Spin – 3.5/5 – It definitely is not a shaped poly, but I would say the spin you would get from a PHT or Yonex Poly Tour Pro is very similar. The string allows for great feel and I was able to get my typical spin I would get from any non-shaped string.

    Comfort -5/5- No complaints at all on comfort. This string is very comfortable and plays very similar until breakage. Great option even at the higher tension that I normally use. It is a very comfortable string. Great alternative for someone who cannot use a poly but wants a string that plays similarly to a crisp poly.

    Durability -5/5 – This lasted almost as long as my 15L Prince Premier Touch playtest and I did not notice any drop in playability. I got right to around 10 hours of hitting and match play before it broke on a flat serve.

    Playability Duration - 5/5 –Barely noticed any drop in playabilty compared to a poly. If I were to leave a poly in as long as I left this string, the playability would have dropped tremendously. I think this is an amazing string for someone who wants a string they can count on a consistent string bed almost until breakage.

    Control -3.5/5 – Not as much control as a poly, but much more control than any other multi or synthetic string I have used. The stringbed produces a very predictable trajectory and was easy to control rallies with the added power to my strokes. I noticed I was hitting a lot more deep balls than I typically hit with a full bed of poly. I noticed this string responds best to a full and fast swing. I noticed mostly on my 1 hand backhand that I swing very hard on, I felt the harder I swung, the more spin and pace I was able to generate while still keeping the ball in. I was very impressed with the control for a non-poly string.

    Compare to the string you use most often – Compared to the shaped poly I typically use, this is a very different string. This offers much more free power and not as much spin as a shaped poly. This plays very similar to a non-shaped poly. The way this string responds and offers spin reminds me as I said above to something like a PHT and Yonex Poly Tour Spin.

    Tension recommendations – If you are a full poly user, I would recommend going at least 5 pounds higher than you usually go, and you will definitely like the string more. If you use a soft multi (x-1) you may want to lower your typical tension. I would use this at 60-58 and it is a great tension for me.

    List any additional thoughts – This string is a great combination of the comfort of a multi string and some characteristics of poly strings. This was my favorite non-poly string to date and will definitely stock up on a couple more sets to have if I ever want a little more pop on my serve.


    Thank you Babolat and Tennis Warehouse for the opportunity to participate in this Playtest.
     
  11. mikeler

    mikeler G.O.A.T.

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    While I was not officially included in this play test, I was able to get a set and my thoughts are below. I realize this is neither a multifilament or a polyester string but I'll be comparing it to both.

    Tennis experience/background: USTA 5.0 rated mostly singles player. I play 3-4 times per week.

    Describe your playing style: I am an all court player that will employ any strategy necessary to win.

    Current racquet/string: Prince Tour 100T ESP and I'm currently testing a number of full poly setups.

    Tension used for playtest: 60#

    Regular string set up: In the Exos it was Weiss Cannon Black 5 Edge 17 mains @ 52# with Genesis Thunder Blast 16 white crosses @56#.

    Racquet brand and model used for test: Prince Exo3 Tour 100, 16x18

    Power of test string: Compared to most multis, this one had more power. I'd compare it to X1 Biphase and Ashaway Monogut ZX in terms of power level.

    Feel: It had a definite crisp feel to it. I'm more into muted strings. The touch was really nice. I felt like I could hit drop volleys and drop shots with no problems.

    Spin : The spin is comparable to the best multis out there for spin but definitely not poly spin.

    Comfort: Pretty nice in the comfort department.

    Durability : I played about 6 sets of doubles with this and hit balls and played tiebreaks for maybe 2 hours. I'm just not as confident with this frame over my new one so I did not test it in a singles match.

    Playability Duration: It seems like the playability stays consistent over time.

    Control: Compared to multis, pretty good. Polys still are better for controlling the ball.

    Compare to the string you use most often: I'm a stringaholic but I'd say this one is right there with the top end multis.

    Tension recommendations: I'd stay at a minimum around the 60 pound mark to tame the power of the string.

    List any additional thoughts: For those who don't like string movement, this string will test your OCD! This is a nice offering for sure. My only concern is the price. I've found multis at half the price that play just as well but perhaps this one could find a cult following.

    Thank you Babolat and Tennis Warehouse for allowing all of us to provide feedback on this new string.
     
    Last edited: Feb 8, 2014
  12. McLovin

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    Nnnnnoooooooo!!!!!!!!!!!!!
     
  13. parasailing

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    Crisp is good :) like X-1 and Xcel Power crispy.
     
  14. mikeler

    mikeler G.O.A.T.

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    Seriously, I've never had a match like the first time we played. 8 for 8 drop half volley winners on break point is not normal. :)


    I don't mind crisp but I tend to favor the more "thuddy" strings.
     
  15. 3fees

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    I did not see this either, I'm 1 of 75 in playtest of New Genesis True Grit from Stringforum.net.

    Cheers
    3Fees :)
     
  16. PowerLob

    PowerLob New User

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    Babolat Origin Playtest

    Tennis experience/background:
    I have been playing for 26 years and I started when I was 12 years old, so you do the math. :) I used to play #2 singles in high school. I am currently the captain of a 4.0 tennis team and start at #1 doubles.

    Describe your playing style (i.e. serve & volley):
    I am a high level 4.0 player. I have an all court game. I hit with above average spin and pace consistently. I use an eastern forehand and a 2 handed backhand. I have above average speed and stamina. My slice serves are are slow (about 90 mph) but spinny and I can place them basically anywhere I want. I like to come to the net when I sense that I will have an advantage and coincidentally, that is where I hit most of my winners.

    Current racquet/string:

    Prince TT Scream OS with 2 ounces of weight added to the inside of the handle/neck. 4 points HL. Luxillon 4G/Prince Syn Gut w Duraflex @ 51lbs/55lbs.

    Tension used for playtest
    55 lbs. However, when I got the racket back from the shop, the string gauge showed that the mains were @58 lbs and the crosses were @53 lbs. This is not unexpected because I've been using the same guy for over a year and this is what he does. LOL.

    Regular string set up

    Luxillon 4G/Prince Syn Gut w Duraflex @ 51lbs/55lbs.

    Racquet brand and model used for test
    Since TW gave me 3 sets of strings, I decided to string up 2 different rackets with it:
    1) Prince TT Scream OS with 2 ounces of weight added to the inside of the handle/neck. 4 points HL.
    2) Prince O3 Shark Hybrid OS with 1.75 ounces of weight added to the inside of the handle/neck. 4 points HL.

    Unsurprisingly, both rackets play the same with these strings. So this review is for the Babolat Origin strings played on both rackets.

    Power of test string 9/10
    Plenty of power, this is the Origin's biggest strength. Once I was able to control the power, I was able to hit a lot of crosscourt winners from the baseline. Also, I noticed that my serves were a bit harder, but less spinny.

    Feel (Stiff? Mushy? Muted? Crisp?) 8/10
    A good, but not great feel. The feedback I get is a little muted. I'd like for it to give me a louder "pop" sound when I hit the sweetspot.

    Spin 4/10
    A fair amount of spin. But no where close to what the poly strings give me. I find that for many ground strokes, I have to uppercut the ball more to get it to land in.

    Comfort 10/10
    A lot of comfort, especially considering these are monofilament strings. It is as advertised. It's like hitting a nerf ball every time. Very little shock and no arm problems so far.

    Durability 7/10
    I have been playing with these strings for the past 3 weeks. I switched between the 2 rackets regularly, so I would say I have put about 10 hours in on each racket. The strings look like they have had better days tough. Obvious notching and fraying is evident. These strings are on their last leg.

    Playability Duration (share thoughts on if/how the playability changed over time) 8/10
    The first session was a little rough due to the raw power of the strings. I measured the tension of the strings after this first session and found that both the mains and crosses have dropped about 3-4 pounds and then about 1.5 pounds per session until settling at around 50/46. I've been playing pretty well with them for the past 2 weeks now that I am getting more consistent with them. Power has decreased, but spin has increased.

    Control (predictable trajectory? Easy to control depth? performance on different strokes and swing speeds?) 7/10
    A little hard to control due to the power. Ball tends to float a little too deep. You will need to find a way to put some extra spin on the ball with these strings if you want to keep them in the court. Volleys were good though. Was able to stick it where I want it pretty much every time.

    Compare to the string you use most often
    I used to use synthetic gut a lot. Recently, I have switched to a 4G/Syn Gut hybrid. These Origin strings are definitely softer and more powerful than my old setup, but they don't give as much access to spin.

    Tension recommendations (after hitting it, would you recommend a different tension? Why?)
    I would definitely string at a higher tension next time. Maybe 60 lbs instead of 55 to gain more control over my shots.

    List any additional thoughts (optional)
    These strings are like a cross between natural gut and synthetic gut. It has the comfort of natural gut but play like synthetic gut. I hear that the retail price of these Babolat Origin strings are ~$21. Now the question becomes, are you willing to spend ~$15 extra per set for the added comfort?
     
  17. texastornado

    texastornado Rookie

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    Babolat Origin 16 Playtest

    Tennis experience/background:
    Have been playing tennis for about 9 years, predominantly self taught. Self rated 4.0. so so tournament record. Play singles most of the time.

    Describe your playing style (i.e. serve & volley):
    SW FH, 1HBH, "all court player" with much better groundstrokes than net game.

    Current racquet/string:
    PK Redondo Mid, Volkl Cyclone 18g 52

    Tension used for playtest
    56

    Regular string set up
    Volkl Cyclone 18g or any other 18g poly strung high 40's to low 50's

    Racquet brand and model used for test
    PK Redondo Mid

    Power of test string
    9/10 - On the high end of controllable. After playing for the first time with my usual hitting partner he commented that my shots were faster but were not as heavy.

    Feel (Stiff? Mushy? Muted? Crisp?)
    8/10 - Feel was mostly muted with a bit of crisp [good] feedback. Enough crispness to know exactly where touch shots were going. I could chip service returns and place touch volleys with with more consistency than any other string, poly or not. I would have liked more feedback when hitting groundstrokes though.

    Spin
    4/10 - This was the one real weakness of this string. It started out with mediocre spin (compared to polyester strings) and felt like it lost more as it aged. Probably about standard for a multi strung at this tension. The lack of spin can probably be partially attributed to my racket/string pattern (93, 18x20)

    Comfort
    10/10 - Comfort was great, absolutely no complaints. The only way I could imagine hurting myself with this string is over hitting shots trying to get more power.

    Durability
    8/10 - Surprisingly durable in my racket. I thought it would break in 2 weeks (20hrs) which is about the time a 17g syn gut lasts me, instead it showed moderate notching. Surprisingly it didn't move that much compared to a normal syn gut or multi.

    Playability Duration (share thoughts on if/how the playability changed over time)
    7/10 - Surprisingly I felt that this string became less powerful and generated less spin as it lost tension. After about 20 hrs I really struggled to generate spin on serves and my groundstrokes felt lighter and lighter. Control/placement was still very good but overall it felt like my shots had less pace.

    Control (predictable trajectory? Easy to control depth? performance on different strokes and swing speeds?)
    9/10 - There weren't really any surprises with this string. I felt like I had as much command over my shots as I did with my usual string.

    Compare to the string you use most often
    This string is significantly more comfortable than the usual poly I use. Power came easily but spin was not as easy to generate.

    Tension recommendations (after hitting it, would you recommend a different tension? Why?)
    I thought this was a good tension for this string. I probably would have considered going up a couple lbs to get more spin but given the notching that I experienced I would probably be better off going to a thinner gauge.

    List any additional thoughts (optional)
    I really enjoyed playtesting this string, unfortunately it made me realize once you go poly you can't go back. I couldn't play with this string [at least in this guage] on a full time basis because of the lack of spin. Might be worth a shot for those with stiffer OS frames who need something more comfortable.

    Thanks TW and Babolat for the opportunity to playtest this string.
     
  18. Babolat Official

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    Thanks for all who tested the string, even if you did not like the product, your feedback is greatly appreciated!
     
  19. mikeler

    mikeler G.O.A.T.

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    Thanks for sending out the samples. For those used to non-poly strings, you will acquire some fans for sure.
     
  20. Radical_player

    Radical_player New User

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    what are the actual specs for this string?

    stiffness
    energy
    spin potential
    tension loss
     
  21. Getting_Closer

    Getting_Closer New User

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    Babolat Origin Playtest

    Tennis experience/background:
    Solid 4.0 player. At least twice a week, mostly double.

    Describe your playing style:
    I am an All Court Player, powerful flat serve, aggressive baseliner, also aggressive at net as well.

    Current racquet/string:
    Prince Ozone Tour 16/18, leaded up to 12 ounce. Pacific Classic Guts/ Scorpion, 52/49

    Tension used for playtest:
    1) 55
    2) 60
    3) 58

    Regular string set up:
    Guts hybrid with poly, used to play with Scorpion/multi

    Racquet brand and model used for test:
    Ozone Tour 16/18, 12 Ounce

    Power of test string:
    Gvien that it is more like multi from the Babolat official, I expected that it would be powerful, and strung it at higher tension that I usually string. It was indeed a good idea. Among the three tensions, I felt the best at 60. The power is decent and controlled. Flat first serve was powerful and manageable. Inconsistent with the kick serve, it seems that there is not sufficient spin to bring the ball down and land about a foot too long from time to time. At higher tension, it became more controlled. It reminds of me why I ended up with natural guts hybrid, to increase the spin and tamp the power of guts.

    Feel:
    Great feel at 60, crisp, I had that similar feel as my guts hybrid for some of the shots, especially at net.

    Spin:
    My overall play style does not heavily depend on the spin. With my current technique, I was able to generate decent spin (at 60lb). I would say the overall spin for this string is actually above average multi, but it does decline somewhat after playing for 2 hours as the string began to move.

    Comfort:
    Very comfortable, no issues with it whatsoever. Anyone whom may have issues with TE or wrist pain should try this.

    Durability:
    The first set strung at 55, I did not like it too much as it was too powerful for me. Once it began to move around, I cut it out. When strung at 60, I enjoyed it much better, and played for 9 hours before it broke. The last time I used full bed multi was a few years ago, but I do break Pacific guts 16 around 25 - 30 hours, just for reference.

    Playability Duration:
    It begins to move around after two hours, not a big deal as it still plays decent. I don’t really notice any dramatic changes like M2 Pro from Lux does.

    Control:
    I would say the control is pretty good for a multi, but it needs to be strung at least over 60lb. Once you get a feel of the string and adjust your technique a little bit, the trajectory is predictable. I can feel that familiar pocketing effect from my normal setup when swinging hard from low to high, and the ball would land deep near the baseline.

    Compare to the string you use most often:
    At high tension, it actually felt more like the poly hybrid that I used, comfortable, crisp, nice feel and reduced spin from full bed round poly. I would not switch to it as I currently use guts hybrid. Without concern of cost, I would not mind playing it

    Tension recommendations:
    I would stick to 60lb or above. For tension lower than that, I felt it was a bit too powerful and lost that crisp I like.

    List any additional:
    It surely is one of the better alternatives if you are experiencing tennis related injuries. Another word, it is above average multi. After testing it, I kind of feel sorry for the string as I can’t really hybrid it with poly: If poly was main, then I could find much cheaper multi for cross. If Origin was main, then poly might just saw through it rather fast, and I doubt it would increase the spin potential. Anyway, it is a high quality string.

    Thank Babolat and Tennis Warehouse for providing this opportunity to us. Three sets of string to test are really generous of you. I had a great time.
     
  22. Babolat Official

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    Agreed. As an ardent all poly fan, not my string of choice...but it's the best feeling synthetic I've hit.
     
  23. Brocolt

    Brocolt Rookie

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    Tennis experience/background: 4.5 player/coach play 5 days a week

    Describe your playing style (i.e. serve & volley): Big serve /baseline

    Current racquet/string: Prince exo 3 tour 16x18 Weiss cannon silverstring

    Tension used for playtest 55lbs

    Regular string set up: Multi discho multifibre/ or full poly weiss silverstring

    Racquet brand and model used for test Prince Exo3 tour

    Power of test string 10/10 I am comparing this string to a multi or syn gut

    Feel: very Crisp feeling. Great feel with the volleys and drop shots

    Spin 9/10 for the first 1hr then it slowly diminished as strings moved and lost tension

    Comfort 10/10 Very arm friendly

    Durability 5/10 this string is more a snapper (notching mains) than a string that frays (crosses break) I started to get some good notches in mains after the first hour.

    Playability Duration (share thoughts on if/how the playability changed over time) I loved this string for the first hour of play. I almost poly like spin and control but then as the tension dropped I started to hit long. I got about 7 hours out it before they broke

    Control (predictable trajectory? Easy to control depth? performance on different strokes and swing speeds?) The first hour was great but then the groundstrokes started to loose the magic. Volleys and serves felt great for the life of the string

    Compare to the string you use most often This string felt different than most of the strings I have played. right in the middle of the Multi or Poly type string. I loved the playability and comfort for the first hour then it became more unpredictable. I think they are on the right track with this string and a little more tweaking with the tension may help. Power like x-1 with a better crisper feeling.

    Tension recommendations List any additional thoughts (optional)after hitting it, would you recommend a different tension? Why?) I will string heavier next time. I always start at 55 with a multi and 48 for polys when testing. next time I will try 60lbs. and see if I can get the honeymoon to last a little longer. This string is interesting and If priced right it could have a big following.
     
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  24. southend

    southend Rookie

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    Tennis experience/background: USTA 4.0, Men's Dubs
    Describe your playing style (i.e. serve & volley): Baseline and net
    Current racquet/string: Wilson Steam 99LS; Nat Gut/SPPP
    Tension used for playtest: 58 lbs
    Regular string set up: Hybrid or full nat gut
    Racquet brand and model used for test: Wilson Steam 99LS
    Power of test string: Not powerful; typical for multi
    Feel (Stiff? Mushy? Muted? Crisp?): Muted with good dwell. Enjoyed the soft impact!!
    Spin: Not alot of spin
    Comfort: Very very comfortable
    Durability: Typical of a multi. Broke two sets playing three times a week in one to two weeks of use.
    Playability Duration (share thoughts on if/how the playability changed over time): Very predictable. Played consistent from day one through breakage. This string did not fray as I would have expected. Although these strings move alot. This could bother some players that fiddle with their strings alot, but it did not bother me.
    Control (predictable trajectory? Easy to control depth? performance on different strokes and swing speeds?): Excellent Control although I am not used to adjusting my strokes for a multi. Balls were well controlled but tended to be on the short side; No long out balls.
    Compare to the string you use most often: Sooo comfortable as compared to anything with Poly in it.
    Tension recommendations (after hitting it, would you recommend a different tension? Why?): Strung initially at 58 and then 62 lbs. Didn't seem to make that much difference from overall observations above.
    List any additional thoughts (optional): I often string syn gut/nat gut/multi's as a cross when using a poly main, but I did not string the test strings in hybrids as instructed.
    Babolat Origin would be an absolute winning string as a cross with a poly main since one derives so much comfort and control with Origin. Overall, a very nice string for someone who likes to play with multi's and suffers from any tennis elbow issues.
     
  25. MadisonTennis

    MadisonTennis New User

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    Tennis Experience/Background: 4.5 computer rated/25+ Years Played/Current Coach of High School and Junior Varsity Boys & Girls Team

    Playing Style: Prefer Singles, Baseline, Topspin Forehand/2 Handed Backhand

    Current Racket/String: Volkl Organix V1 MP/WC MBite or Volkl Cyclone Mains and Gosen Micro Crosses

    Tension Used for Playtest: 56#s first and then went up from there

    Regular String Set Up: 18 Gauge MBite or Cyclone at 53#s in Mains and 17 Gauge Gosen Micro at 55#s in Crosses

    Racquet Used: Volkl Organix V1 MP

    Power of Test String: When I first tried it at 56#s, I felt like it had more power than my regular set up so I went up a couple of pounds. I really think this string should be strung toward the top of the tension range in any chosen racket used.

    Feel: I would say muted or crisp would best describe this string. I have a history of arm problems and never felt any shock on my arm. Before switching to a hybrid, I used Technifibre Multi and I would rate this string as high or higher than Technifibre.

    Spin: It had average spin but I felt like I had more spin and control when I raised the tension. As the requirements were listed, I did not use this string as a hybrid but I think it would a great string to hybrid with a textured poly. In short, I think this string is great as one piece if strung fairly high but I would be interested to try it in a hybrid. I think Origin would offer power/comfort in the crosses and a poly in the mains would produce a little more spin. I would also think a thinner gauge of Origin would produce more spin as well just a one piece.

    Comfort: As mentioned above, I would give this string a 10/10 on the comfort side. It was easy to string and very easy on the arm.

    Durability: Compared to other multis, it had about the same durability. Again, I would rate it about like Technifibre. I think it had better durability than other multi brands and it was more durable than synthetic gut.

    Playability Duration: I did notice some tension loss after a week but it was still playable. I was still getting great control for several weeks when I did bump up the tension higher than 56#s. When I strung it at 56#s, I had to cut it out because it was a little too powerful after a week.

    Control: I really liked this string while serving and at net. I am a baseliner but I found my volleys were much better when I played doubles with it compared to my normal hybrid set up. It was great at the baseline as well but I just was missing some of the topspin I get from my normal set up.

    Compare to Other Strings: I don't think it really hits like my normal set up but I would compare it to X1, NRG, or NXT. Just a solid string that offers a lot of pop and easy on the arm.

    Tension Recommendation: As mentioned above, I think this string plays best towards the top of the suggested tension range in a racket. I first strung it just above the middle of my V1 suggested tension range and it had a little too much pop for me. Once I bumped up the tension a few pounds, I found more control with a string that did not take a toll on the arm or shoulder.

    Additional Thoughts: I really enjoyed this playtest and thought it was very nice of Babolat to send 3 sets to experiment with. I will try it as a hybrid just to experiment with and probably would order the 17 gauge just based on the gauge that I currently use in crosses. I think Babolat has produced and added a great string to their line up. If you are looking for a string that is very comfortable, produces controllable power, and is crisp, I would strongly recommend giving this string a try.

    As always, thanks to TW and Babolat for having the opportunity to be part of this playtest.
     
  26. kadishack

    kadishack New User

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    Location:
    Syracuse, NY
    Tennis experience/background:
    4.0/4.5 player, started playing in college and have not stopped since.
    Describe your playing style (i.e. serve & volley):
    Aggressive baseliner, but will serve and volley a bit to spice things up. Even split between singles and doubles, but more suited for singles. Semi-western to western FH and 1HBH (ala Gasquet), which is my best/most consistent stroke.
    Current racquet/string:
    Head Liquidmetal Instinct Tour XL/Kirschbaum Supersmash Honey
    Tension used for playtest:
    58 pounds on a constant pull machine (Babolat Star 3)
    Regular string set up:
    Kirschbaum Supersmash Honey @ 50 pounds
    Racquet brand and model used for test:
    Head Liquidmetal Instinct Tour XL
    Power of test string:
    This is where I really noticed the difference in switching to a multi-like string from a polyester. There was a lot of access to "easy/free power" with this string. Short and compact strokes ended deep in the court with little effort which really enhanced my return of service. It also helped a lot of my serve, where I didn't have to put a lot of effort into generating power/speed thus conserving energy during matches. Overall a very powerful string.
    Feel (Stiff? Mushy? Muted? Crisp?):
    This string had two very different sides to it. The first was right off of the stringing machine it felt very stiff and crisp but didn't have great feel to it, this lasted for ~15min. However, once the break-in period (15min) ended, the string changed to a very soft string bed and great ball pocketing, yet still very crisp for me. I had no problem putting volleys, serves, ground strokes, and touch/drop shots exactly where I wanted them. Overall, the feel was great after that break-in period, in which I thought the string was not so great.
    Spin:
    This was the one area where I missed playing with a polyester. This string performed well compared to synthetic guts and multifilaments in spin and probably exceeded most. However, compared to a polyester there was quite a gap still, which was to be expected. Overall, still a good amount of spin, just not what I have been accustomed to.
    Comfort:
    This string felt great after the previously mentioned break-in period. Probably one of the most comfortable strings I have played with.
    Durability:
    I am not a big string breaker, so the strings I have been play-testing are still in my racquet. Although, notching is present throughout the string bed and probably isn't too far off from breaking. Overall, very good if comparing to a multi/syn. gut.
    Playability Duration (share thoughts on if/how the playability changed over time):
    As mentioned above, I still have the same strings in my racquet that I started with and they are still playing the same as they did after the break-in. I really haven't noticed much a tension drop at all, which is a nice change for once.
    Control (predictable trajectory? Easy to control depth? performance on different strokes and swing speeds?):
    This string had a very predictable trajectory, nothing really abnormal to note. Controlling the power/depth was a little challenging at first, especially without the amount of spin I am accustomed to. But after a little adjusting it was smooth sailing.
    Compare to the string you use most often:
    The feel, power, and comfort are definitely better for Origin. But Supersmash has a big edge on spin and had much more of a muted/stiffer feel, which was expected to be the case.
    Tension recommendations (after hitting it, would you recommend a different tension? Why?):
    I thought 58 pounds played great for me and I would almost think of raising it a little higher so I could "swing-out" a little more and not worry about the power of Origin pushing the ball long.
    List any additional thoughts (optional):
    Overall, Origin is a very impressive string which I believe trumps with most (if not all) multifilaments/synthetic guts on the market. It is ideal for anyone with arm pain since it is so comfortable. I would imagine this string would shine in a hybrid with a polyester for a lot of people. However, the price may keep some people from switching over to it.

    Thanks to Tennis Warehouse and Babolat for the opportunity to play-test Origin!
     
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  27. SteveI

    SteveI Legend

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    Babolat "Origin" Playtest : User SteveI

    Tennis experience/background:

    4.0+ player, HS and college player - 40+ years total. HS and USTA Coach

    Describe your playing style:

    All Court player, Semi-western FH and 1HBH. Playing mostly doubles these days since I am so old... :)

    Current racquet/string:

    Dunlop M-Fil 400 Modified (11.5 oz, 6 Points HL - Leather Grip - 16 x 19 - 100 sq in. head)

    Tension used for playtest:

    60/58 pounds - CP

    Regular string set up:

    Tourna Big Hitter Silver 17G - Full Bed @ 52/50 pounds

    Racquet brand and model used for test:

    Same as listed above

    Power of test string:

    Compared to my all poly set-up, the power was impressive. Power was on the level of TF X-1 but much more stable, long lasting and consistent. If you are a high end multi or natty gut player this is your string.

    Feel:

    Really happy with the feel of this string. Combination of crisp and great ball pocketing. Nice connection to stringbed

    Spin:

    Depends on what one compares Origin to. This string in a 16G is not going to have the spin potential that Tourna Big Hitter Black 17G (Crazy Spin) would. On the other hand it is much better than say TF X-1 in 17G which has very poor spin potential. I would be playing this string in a 17G and hybriding with a poly cross so I and sure this would produce the spin I require.

    Comfort:

    One of the most comfortable strings I have ever played with. Not much else to say - 10/10.

    Durability:

    I am not a string breaker so I would really get my money's worth from this string. Not close to breaking yet for me and my game. I would not play this in a 16G however so a 17G might not hold up as well.

    Playability Duration:

    Natty Gut range. Excellent!!!

    Control:

    Impressive control for a string with this much free power. Very much an honest string. You get what you put it. Solid stroke, you are going to hit your spots. No hot spots on stringbed bed and very solid over all strokes.

    Compare to the string you use most often:

    It is a not a full poly set-up. Was not expecting it to be. More power and feel than my full Big Hitter Silver 17G, but less spin.. no surprises there.

    Tension recommendations:

    I think I nailed it a 60/58 lbs for my frame and game.

    List any additional thoughts:

    Same comment as "kadishack"...hey when you are right you are right..!!!

    Overall, Origin is a very impressive string which I believe trumps with most (if not all) multifilaments/synthetic guts on the market. It is ideal for anyone with arm pain since it is so comfortable. I would imagine this string would shine in a hybrid with a polyester for a lot of people. However, the price may keep some people from switching over to it. Nailed it!!!!

    Thanks to TW and Babolat. It is winner in my book. If you can drop the price to $19.99 this stuff would fly off the racks... SteveI..
     
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  28. Davidwoo92

    Davidwoo92 New User

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    Tennis experience/background: College tennis for 2.5 years, club tennis now

    Describe your playing style (i.e. serve & volley): Baseline player, defensive

    Current racquet/string:Head IG prestige mid/head hawk

    Tension used for playtest: 52

    Regular string set up: 52 full bed head hawk

    Racquet brand and model used for test: Head IG prestige mid

    Power of test string: This power was really good, but I feel like it was too much for the amount of accessible spin.

    Feel (Stiff? Mushy? Muted? Crisp?): The feel was good after the break in period. The strings feel super crisp and not in a good way.

    Spin: Spin access was quite limited. Slices were a little hard to get adjusted to hitting. I had to put a little extra into approach shots to keep them from going out.

    Comfort: Comfort level is undeniably good after the aforementioned break in period.

    Durability: Haven't used it for too long so I am not sure on durability. I would say that they have started to move quite a bit from when I first got them. Not the best durability. Probably have about 10 hours of hitting.

    Playability Duration (share thoughts on if/how the playability changed over
    time): The difference in playability was noticeable when the break in period was done. The strings felt nice and comfortable. The ball has gotten a better pocketing since it has loosened up.

    Control (predictable trajectory? Easy to control depth? performance on different strokes and swing speeds?): Control was something I took a little extra effort into with this. The power on this string was hard to get used to, but once I did, the strings felt great and I could easily find the targets I needed to hit.

    Compare to the string you use most often: Compared to the strings I have on my normal setup, I would say this string is on par. These strings lack durability and spin but is great in comfort and power. My main setup is great on control and feel, while it lacks durability.

    Tension recommendations (after hitting it, would you recommend a different tension? Why?): I do have two more sets to go through and I will gladly use them on my next stringing.

    List any additional thoughts (optional): Once you get past the break in period, the strings are solid.
     
  29. bigserving

    bigserving Semi-Pro

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    TENNIS EXPERIENCE / BACKGROUND Self taught 4.0 to 4.5 to 5.0 to 4.5 league and tournament player. Decades of playing experience. Spectate for approximately 30 to 50 days of professional tennis each year.

    DESCRIBE PLAYING STYLE - Solid 4.5 singles and doubles, one-hand backhand, big fastball first serve (surprise) with a funky kicker for a second serve. All court player that can serve and volley on offense, and all-court defender

    CURRENT RACQUET / STRING - Dunlop Aerogel 200 Tour racquet normally using a full set Dunlop Black Widow 17 gauge, 50 lbs x 50 lbs strung on a lockout machine.

    TENSIONS USED FOR PLAYEST - Strung the three different sets at 60, 63, and 66 lbs. each strung on a lockout machine.

    REGULAR STRING SETUP - The old familia setup of Dunlop Black Widow 17 gauge, 50 lbs x 50 lbs strung on a lockout machine.

    RACQUET BRAND AND MODEL USED FOR TEST - Dunlop Aerogel 4D 200 Tour.

    POWER OF STRING TESTED - Coming from playing with poly, these strings are extremely powerful. The power level follows directly with the string tension. The tighter the string tension the more control. Even strung at the higher tension, the string provided good power and good control.

    FEEL - This is where Origin gets very good. They do feel different than other types of strings. There seemed to feel like some ball pocketing at contact with the strings. These strings provide great feel and touch on most every shot. The great feel enhances the control potential on most most shot. The combination of power and feel gives a player choices on all shots including drop shots, volleys, groundstrokes, even serves and overheads.

    SPIN - This was perhaps the only area where this string wasn't great. Origin provides more spin potential than most other synthetics. Not more than polyester. At a lower tension, they can still deliver more spin than some more tightly strung multis.

    COMFORT - Very comfortable strings. There was no shock or twinge coming from the string bed on any stroke at any tension. The comfort may unsurpassed most and approaching the comfort of natural gut.

    DURABILITY - The test period was about five sets per week for a period of nearly one month for all of the three tensions. The strings did not break during the test and showed no premature wear or excessive notching during the period. And they were still playing great.

    PLAYABILITY DURATION- Origin's playability may be it's best overall characteristic. They really do hold their playability for longer than both polyester and nylon strings. The playability held up quite nicely with only a slight, drop in playability during the test. At this rate, they feeling more playable than most other nylon strings for this amount of play time. They seem second only to natural gut in this regard.

    CONTROL - There seemed to be some slight pocketing on most shots and that helped the string provide great control on all shots. I would definitely classify this as a great control string.

    CONTROL ON DIFFERENT STROKES AND DIFFERENT SWING SPEEDS - This string felt very nice on all strokes and off of both sides. I was able to comfortably control the power of these strings to hit through the ball on groundstrokes without much threat of ball flying beyond the baseline. Volleys jumped off of these strings while still maintaining great touch. My fastball first serve picked up a couple of feet due to the increased power of the strings. My kick serve was diminished a bit because of the less bite of Origin compared to Black Widow.

    COMPARE TO 17 G DUNLOP BLACK WIDOW - Black Widow has the edge in spin creation. The feel and comfort winner would be Origin. Origin also clearly has the edge in power and playability duration. My kick serve and topspin suffered a bit because of the less bite of Origin compared to Black Widow.

    TENSION RECOMMENDATION - The test tensions were right in the ballpark for me to try the string at different tensions. The playability of the strings seems to leave room to either increase or decrease tension to an individual player's taste and playing style.
    A couple of pound increase in tension over normal for players with more powerful frames or for players that use strings and/or powerful frames to provide their power.
    A tension increase of several pounds over normal for players that like to generate more of their own power.

    FINAL THOUGHTS - Babolat Origin is an outstanding string. It has very good balance and blend between each string aspect of spin, comfort, power, feel, and durability. I think that this would be a good string for any player to try. These strings will work well for players of any level. Because of the playable durability many different types of players can benefit from using the strings. The strings will play great for hit-and-giggle players that restring annually, as well as tournament players that string all of their frames on a weekly basis or more .
     
  30. R-Fed

    R-Fed Rookie

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    Review

    Tennis experience/background:
    I have played tennis nearly 15 years, competitively in leagues and tournaments the last 7 years.

    Describe your playing style (i.e. serve & volley):
    My playing style is similar to an aggressive baseliner who likes to play close to the baseline, looking for opportunities to attack any short ball and potentially finish with a volley or overhead.

    Current racquet/string:
    Wilson nCode Six-One 95 16 x18 / Wilson Enduro Tour 18 strung 53 pounds

    Tension used for playtest
    53 pounds

    Regular string set up
    Wilson Enduro Tour 18 strung 53 pounds

    Racquet brand and model used for test
    Wilson nCode Six-One 95 16 x18

    Power of test string
    The string is powerful string with a forgiving sweet spot. It helped me more than I am used to when the ball met the racquet slightly off-center. At the same time, it provides me with a little more power than I am used to having.

    Feel (Stiff? Mushy? Muted? Crisp?)
    The string felt muted to me from the baseline, in transition, and at the net. While the feel was not too bad, it was more difficult to hit low bouncing drop volleys because of the increased power. I typically play with strings that have a crisper feel that gives me better control of the ball.

    Spin
    There was not much spin my shots when I used my normal swing path. I could generate more spin if I exaggerated my swing path, but then my shots would land shorter. It is possible that the spin was lacking because this is a 16 gauge string versus a 17 or 18 gauge string.

    Comfort
    The string is very comfortable and I would recommend it to people who have a history of pain in their arm, elbow, or shoulder when playing tennis. It is very arm friendly.

    Durability
    The Durability is very good. I have played with it for a few weeks and have not noticed too much of a difference.

    Playability Duration (share thoughts on if/how the playability changed over time)
    See above.

    Control (predictable trajectory? Easy to control depth? performance on different strokes and swing speeds?)
    I did not have as much control as I would have liked and was not very easy to control the depth of my shots. My short angle shots would routinely sail wide, requiring me to hit deeper than normal. I had greater difficulty hitting a shirt slice serve as well.

    Compare to the string you use most often
    The string has a larger sweetspot than Wilson Enduro Tour, which I liked. However, it is a tradeoff because it provides a little too much power and is more difficult to hit short angle topspin strokes or drop volleys.

    Tension recommendations (after hitting it, would you recommend a different tension? Why?)
    In this case, I am not sure increasing the tension would make that much of a difference for most people, as it is still a powerful string when played at 60 pounds. I definitely would not go lower than 53 pounds because then it plays like a trampoline.

    List any additional thoughts (optional)
    The string is relatively easy to string. The crosses were not much of a problem as they could slide with ease. It had a bit of coil memory but a lot less than polyester string. I would recommend this string to players who want a soft string and not something harsh on their arm. It is also a good string for players who hit flatter than players who rely on heavy topspin.

    Thanks again for the playtest Babolat and Tennis Warehouse!!!
     
  31. g4driver

    g4driver Hall of Fame

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    This review is the one I get the most from-

    Like you I like hybrids, and since Origin is getting low marks for spin and high marks for comfort, it seems like the perfect string to try in a hybrid - especially a Wilson Steam 99S - which I think is stiff and I don't like full poly-

    I love the Steam 99S (have three of them) but want an option other than gut/poly or full gut. So I did actually hybrid Origin with Yonex Poly Pro Tour since I was not part of the playtest.

    I need to drop the tension 4-5 lbs on the Yonex PPT mains / Origin crosses setup as simply went too high on the first attempt. Love to read other folks posts in a another thread about origin as a hybrid so not to hijack this thread. I appreciate your post, particularly since you are using a Steam 99LS
     
  32. ellis124

    ellis124 New User

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    Wonder if the TW staff or anyone else can compare 17g Prince premier touch with the Origin?
     
  33. southend

    southend Rookie

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    Origin used as a cross in hybrid

    Strung up Origin as a cross with Lux Adrenaline mains on a Wilson 105S. My friend who is a former college baseball player (big serve), loved the Origin. He had previously used Adrenaline in the mains with other syn gut crosses. I was mentioning the string test for Origin and we tried it out. He was bombing his serves with CONTROL. It is now his go to set up.
     

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