Tennisguy777's One-handed backhand

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  1. shell

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    There are few out there, but don't let that get in the way. Think about the basics that have been spelled out for you and put them to good use. Print them out, take them with you to the courts. Practice this advice over and over again. You'll get it. Remember that you have been doing this shot for 9 years, and to break any bad habits will take a while. Don't get frustrated and off course. Hang in there. You seem to be willing to work hard to do this, now let's see you work hard at this :)
     
  2. Bungalo Bill

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    Just stick to mastering the simplicity. Blake is okay for lefties and righties. I am a lefty and look at Blake, Federer, etc...

    You are heading down the path of over thinking this whole thing. I provided one thing for you to concentrate on. You know what you need to do, so now that you know, go practice it.

    In fact, that is how you should participate in these forums. After explanation of what you need to work on and once you realize what it is we are asking, leave and go do it. Otherwise, you might get more confused.
     
  3. Tennisguy777

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    Ok understood.

    Happy New Year All!
     
  4. shell

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    Tennisguy, you will like this :)

    I played today and on my backhand I WAS LATE ALOT!!! Now I am going to have to re-read the thread :twisted:

    So see, it is an ever evolving process. Don't give up! I think my issue is timing and tracking the ball appropriately, but who knows - I have not seen on video my strokes in a long time. I gotta get a camera.
     
  5. Djokovicfan4life

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    I hit the courts today and man, was I hitting late on the backhand side! After a period of total suckage it came to me that my back swing was too big. I was making the smile pattern, but I was simply taking it back to high and my timing was all screwed up. I guess you could say that my smiley face was too happy. I started taking the racquet back much less high up and I began to time the ball much better. Sure, it still sucked, but at least I can say that it wasn't because of my take back. :)
     
  6. shell

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    DF4L, we have to get some vids up!!! We may be in serious need of BH advice from our friends here :twisted:

    I swear I am going tomorrow to look at cameras, don't know a thing about them and don't even know how to download, upload....but if I could just see myself, I am sure I would either get motivated to improve, or quit the game altogether :)
     
  7. ericwong

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    Shell, BB is going to say something to that, which I totally agree on. LATE = TIMING = FOOTWORK issues. :)

    I have been playing OBH for a long while and I realised that a long take-back means I need to get to the position quicker than usual.

    Happy New Year to all.
     
  8. Djokovicfan4life

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    I have a vid of myself, but I've looked at it and made some improvements since then. I'd hate to post it and get a bunch of comments on things that I've already addressed. And, like you, I have no clue how to post a video online.
     
  9. Mansewerz

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    When I tried a OHBH against a wall it went straight to the ground.

    I'm sticking to two hands.

    Just out of curiosity, was that because of late contact?
     
  10. shell

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    It could be, because a 2hander is used to hitting the ball further back, but my guess would be the racquet head plane was off due to grip issues. I've tried a two hander due to elbow issues before, and I was always either hitting the fence or hitting the bottom of the net, with every 4th shot being OK.

    You were probalby using a weird in between grip and/or also missing the heft of your left hand strength (assuming right hander) to keep the racquet head in proper position.

    Not so easy is it!!! Give us 1handers kudos for our efforts!! :)
     
  11. Mansewerz

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    Yup i'm a righty. And yea, I play against a one hander all the time, and take lessons with him and another one hander.

    It is pretty difficult. I found it much easier when using a continental grip rather than an Eastern backhand grip.
     
  12. Bungalo Bill

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    Yes, hitting late can be linked to your feet and also how you receive information about the ball.
     
  13. Tennisguy777

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    Hey guys after watching the above pics and also watching several clips of Federer hitting the backhand I realized that when I take the racquet back I am not taking it back at all but only to the side when I do this I am not turning from my hips as I should. I should look like the 3rd picture of Federer. I remember seeing this picture back when it was posted but I never paid attention to what you wrote Charlzz.
     
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  14. Ballinbob

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    hey good improvement on your backhand. I've also been struggling with the 1hbh, but after some lessons and getting advice from here I've ended up ok. I posted like 3 vids and needed 2 lessons to get it down though lol. This shot just never clicked with me for some reason. It's such a simple stroke, but we just over complicate it. Honestly, once you get the stroke, you see that there's nothing easier than hitting a 1hbh.

    Glad to see that you have gotten better though. Keep up the good work
     
  15. Bungalo Bill

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    The onehanded backhand is simple mechanically. That is if you learn the fundamentals and practice the fundamentals.

    From a technical perspective, the onehanded backhand can be broken down for instruction in these categories:

    1. Ball judgement

    2. Movement

    3. Setup

    4. Swing

    5. Followthrough

    6. Recovery

    I believe categories 3 - 5 are easy to learn conceptually and physically. Things such as the unit turn, the smile pattern, getting the racquet to drop, bending your knees, etc...are simple to learn and do in an relatively unstressed environment. If you practice your technique in these stages, it doesnt take long to "get it".

    Categories 1 - 2 and 6 are IMO what hurts players the most. Lazy feet, not concentrating, watching your shot too long, mentally making the wrong decision for your shot choice before you swing, poor movement leading into setup.

    Things that happen poorly in categories 1 and 2 can have a chain reaction throughout categories 3 - 6 and lead to poor results.

    It is often amazing to see how much a player can improve by simply improving their movement. Things like losing weight, improving their first step, etc...can improve a player quicker than hours upon hours of working on their "stroke" and in many cases is easier on the pocket book.
     
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  16. Tennisguy777

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    ^^^ Yeah I think I suffer with 1 - 2. I been mixing it up hitting one handers and mostly two handers and It looks like I might be switching to the 2 hander. I've practiced 2 times since I put the two handed video up I'll take another video soon.

    I play a guy who is a solid 4.5 and he usually beats me 6-2, 6-3, 6-4 with my one hander and when I played him with the two hander last Thursday I didn't do much worse. I was getting winners with my two hander. In fact it was 6-1, 6-3 and I was up 4-5 in the third set and freakin ladies came on and took our court, could of gotten a set of of him something I've never done we've played about 8 times now. Funny thing is he has a solid two hander and he's thinking about going back to the one hander.
     
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  17. Bungalo Bill

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    Your twohander looked good for hardly practicing it. Nothing wrong with that decision. However, I would recommend you stick with it through thick and thin.
     
  18. habib

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    Granted this is me coming late to the party, so I'm sure this will all have been covered, but two main things that I noted:

    1) You need to prepare earlier, and have your racquet up and behind you by the time the ball bounces, rather than quickly bring it back and slapping it forward right as you're about to hit; and
    2) Your follow through needs to be less to the side and more to the up, so that in the end it's like a 3/4 position. Otherwise you're hitting across the ball and not generating the topspin and pace you could be.
     
  19. Ballinbob

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    Yeah I would just pick a backhand and stick with it. My 1hbh is my worst shot, but after lessons/advice from here I got the technique down. I still can't hit the shot in a match or anything, but I finally understand the smile pattern/technique.

    Now I have to play a whole bunch of matches and loose 90% of those matches. But you know what, thats ok with me because in the end it will benefit me. Over time my 1hbh will be a shot that I can confidently hit in a match, and then those 50 matches I lost earlier don't really matter. All these lost matches will really,really help me in the future and hopefully take me to the next level.

    Developing a shot takes alot of time and you can't expect immediate results. What you want to do is just practice so that your confident with the shot and you got the technique down. No matter what backhand you choose, it will take alot of practice to be able to use it in a match confidently and hit it effectively. But that's what practice is for, and that's how you get better.

    Anyway, good luck with everything :)
     
  20. Ambivalent

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    Your hit the ball really late, something you dont want with the 1hbh. Also, try to get back into a neutral ready position after each shot. It's better for your practice.
     
  21. halalula1234

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    it seems your set up and take back is too late or somehow a little delayed
     
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    ur not moving you rfeet nearly enough. man u really need to up that footwork
     
  23. Tennisguy777

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    still working on it, seems I have trouble hitting slow and high balls. The fast balls I can really crack them now.
     
  24. Tennisguy777

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    So what you guys think of my game!
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dLe-3Ov0n8M
    Just kidding!
    But toward the end of the video notice Junior Ore's one handed backhand, I like it, seems simple enough. What Kind of takeback is that seems different to me! It's amazing aside for not having a backhand I am an inconsistent version of him, all our strokes a virtually the same. I think I have abandoned the two-hander it is just difficult and not enough mobility and I keep getting caught trying to dig up balls with two hands, not enough time to react and am getting caught out of position. Junior and Clint Thomson's Backhands http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lIJcdMC16rk have inspired me to not give up. Both of these guys have very good one handed lefty backhands. So which form do you think would be appropriate for me? Or are they both using the same take back and form?
     
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    when I saw the first video it dawned on me although I had attempted to fixed the take back I wasn't taking it back high enough as Junior does on his video. It is evident that his overgrip / racquet handle is almost above his right shoulder close to ear height before he drops it back and swings through.
     
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    So what you guys think of my latest incarnation of the one handed backhand. I can feel it, it's almost there! I finally figured it out my biggest problem is foot work especially moving backwards and sideways, diagonally into the ball, tend to wait for the ball to come to me. I am going to have to practice moving backwards from the baseline to the service box. Here is video of latest form just practiced it today and after just like 10 minutes I had to stop my legs were hurting all the small foot work that I am not used. So what you guys think of the form?

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JQX77c6-4pQ
     
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  27. drake

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    Getting better all the time.. Try turning up the pace on that BM, it'll force you to develop better footwork. That racquet is a thing of BEAUTY !!!!!!
     
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    Thanks, yes it's a beauty and it plays great. After 1 week I can honestly say it's the best racquet I have ever bought. And I have bought many including Hammer 6.2, AG200, AG300, nBlade, i. presitge, APDC, LM radical etc. etc. I tend to string my racquets in the mid 60s and this came strung at 58 with dunlop syn gut and it actually is ok. I am going to really love it when I string it with full poly. This is also the best volleying stick I have owned. Huge sweetspot kind of feels as big as the APDC even thought it's a 97.
     
  29. Skanavis

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    You seem to have an odd preparation for the ball, you really get your racquet head up high, but I dont think thats a bad thing.

    But are you loosening up your arm before you hit it? It seems to me that your arm is pretty tense in the preparation.

    When I hit my One handed backhand I loosen up my arm in the preparation (taking it back) and then I try to explode through the ball, I can really get some nice pace, without sacrificing little if any control.

    But yea i saw your original video and then this one and you have really improved! Its great to see you have most of the form down.
     
  30. Bud

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    Also, make sure your weight is moving forward into the shot.
     
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    Hey! Look who snuck in a nice backhand on us :) :twisted: Even though I am not a big fan of the takeback, I can't fault it too much because your shot has come a long way in a short amount of time.

    Very good job. You can and will always have some little things to work out or work on, but you seem to have gotten some of the good basics worked out.

    Congrats. And yes, the racquet is beautiful. Now you may just have that BH to support it :twisted:
     
  32. Djokovicfan4life

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    Takeback: While your backhand has improved, the takeback is the same, if not bigger.

    Movement: You are crossing over with the inside leg (left for a lefty) and then moving to the ball, a common problem for most one handers. The weight should be loaded on the right leg in your final preparation position so that you can transfer it to the left as you step into the shot.

    The final preparation position should look something like this, reversed for you, of course.

    [​IMG]

    Matt
     
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    Nice improvement
     
  34. Bungalo Bill

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    You really need to work on that takeback. It is terrible, too much, over done, and will hurt you in the long run. You need to possess exceptional skill to use that backswing as you improve and play better players and on different surfaces.

    Your takeback should mainly be the shoulder turn and as your racquet is back, you raise the hand back and up slightly for momentum. You are turning while raising your hitting hand high in the air at near shoulder level.
     
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    Excellent post I was figuring this out on my own but you made it very clearer. My foot work was awkward due to not transffering the weight like in the pictures so I was getting jammed by some backhands when I was on the run or the backahnds were a little high. I was turning too early, the last step is to turn and then tranffer my weight to left foot and swing through. True what they say a picture is worth a thousand words.
     
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    Hey BB,

    How's the CPA business working for you in beautiful Boise? Have a chance to see Clancy hit yet?
     
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    ^^^ easier said than done!
     

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