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  1. Number1Coach

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    No I am not ,should have clarified that but he is working with their coaching staff from what I witnessed and seeing his ankle no good as I as coach would have kicked him off the court and told him take a couple of days off but when you are not worried about what is being spent you wont worry about his wallet or body .
     
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    Correction... most PD kids don't even make it to a D1 college program. There are so many kids picked up and discarded along the way by PD. We only hear about a select few who have a bit more success.

    We're funding the old boy's network as well...
     
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    I know where Thanasi gets his nerves "TODD LANGMAN" guys a brute !

    As for Johnson the throwing the racket smacking the ball I believe I spoke of that a while back and got flack for talking about the NCAA champion haha but it will be his thorn
     
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    The parents of this kid should seek USTA out if they want help from them.
     
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    No, I don't think so. There are so many parents contacting the USTA for free training and free education it would be lost in the shuffle. With the millions being spent it is the USTA's job to seek out those few players with genuine pro potential. There are very few 6'5" athletic guys rocking the ball. They are not hard to find. Of course PMac cannot spot talent because he NEVER scouts or checks out matches. I strongly believe in "management by walking around". When the top person in player development does not observe the players in action something is terribly wrong. Good leaders lead from the front.
     
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    Why do we have a USTA HP group? The U.S. has had many of the top players in the world without them. The USTA should be about creating the most opportunities for everyone at every level to play tennis.
     
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    You here in Ca ?
     
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    Reminds me of UPS and FED Ex vs USPost office 2 are privately own one is run with unlimited help and no accountability ! The 1 is going bankrupt
     
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    No question that this 16 yr old kid is really good, better than most of the 16 yr old boys in US. He is currently ranked #758 in the world. His best win was beating Jose (Rubin) Statham (NZL) ranked #326, W 6-1, 7-6(3), in late October. Johnson is currently ranked #175. The 10 hr jet lag could be a big excuse for Johnson to have to play a hr long 3rd set.

    BTW, did Michael Chang win Roland Garros when he was 16?
     
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    Andre Agassi is 5'11" tall
    Pete Sampras measures 6'1"
    Roger Federer is as tall as Pete and so is Rafa
    Novak is only an inch taller than Rafa
    Michael Chang did not look taller than 5'6"

    How about Ollie Rochus? 5'5" is on the record!

    Don't recall when and where I read an article that said that the best height for tennis is about 6'.
     
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    Agree! I wanted to know if USTA PD actually did something special to make Sampras, Agassi, Courier and Chang who they are.
     
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    Johnson's been in Australia since Christmas. He played the qualies in Brisbane.
     
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    Maybe he partied too much the night before:)
     
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    Maybe he had the *****. :shock:
     
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    3rd round of the US Open three months out of college is pretty solid proof of being able to succeed on the Grand Prix Tour. Two months away from matches made him rusty. One rough match doesn't define a career. Johnson is obviously top 50 ATP material.
     
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    Too early to tell. Getting to the top 50 and staying there are two different things. I hope he does i cheer for all the Americans!!!!
     
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    You guys he went to college used it to develop and looks like he is going to be the 3rd guy that has use that route in the last 15 ys to do something significant with it , Isner and Anderson being the other 2 ,

    Johnson should be fine and if he can get contol of the attitude he may do well but maturity does not always develop in college so will see .
     
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    Didn't Melody Oudin get to the 3 rd round ?
     
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    So did a few others that have no chance of staying in the top 50.
     
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    Ga i believe the top have attitude that they belong there , most of the Americans are taught through mind conditioning of coaches 'unfortunately' that those at the top are some type of special human , that they have a special talent , that it wouldn't matter where they came from they would still make it to the top .

    what I have found through my study's of all great achievers whether it is sports or business they look at and impossible task and plow at it and make it possible, their reality is to achieve it and when they do they believe its theirs and no one cant take it from them .

    I am re reading Nadals book and he is speaking of what I just wrote also finished another book of another great athlete and when growing up he had doubters but believed blindly he belonged and he achieved his goal .

    If our players do 2 rounds its like WOW to me its a joke they should do better and believe they can and top 50 would become the normal in the USA tennis .
     
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    NADAL BOOK IS A MUST READ!!!!!!! I love how he talks about adversity and how he already knows how to deal with it when he walks on the court.. MINDSET!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
     
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    What's it called? Link?
     
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    RAFA.........
     
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    I started taking the game seriously relatively late (about 17 yrs old - when I game up springboard diving) though my dad taught me good strokes from a young age. I started passing up players who had been far better than me.
    What I believed was this:
    If you can play someone relatively close, you can win a set.
    If you can win one set, there is no reason you can't win the match.
    If you can win the match, you SHOULD win the match.
     
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    Would James Blake's two years in Harvard be considered as college before pro tour?
     
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    Hmmm, I think..YES...As would John McEnroe @ Stanford, as was the Bryan Brothers @ Stanford, Jimmy Connors @ UCLA, Kevin Anderson @ Illinois, Somdev Devarmann @ VA...

    The list goes on and on. There are a lot of articles on the subject but this is the best one. With the average age of a top 100 player in the mid to late 20s. There appears to be a great argument for college tennis for a year or two.

    http://espn.go.com/tennis/usopen12/story/_/id/8340555/us-open-college-good-investment-pros
     
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    Reminds me of Malavi Washington. He went to Michigan for 2 years. I remember his father saying he wanted Malavi at a very good tennis school but not a very top program. Thought it was more important to play #1 for development to the pros and have to play the best college players, as opposed to going to Stanford or USC and starting as a #4, 5 or 6 and not always getting the toughest matches.

    Todd Martin was similar at Northwestern where he play #1 for two years then went pro. Todd, as opposed to Malavi, I don't believe he went to college with the sole intention of developing for professional tennis. Martin if I recall was only around #18 or so USTA ranking out of H.S. He was a late bloomer and college worked for him.
     
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    Ok so you have come up with how many who have gone to college and "done well" over a 40 yr span ? you are showing me 6 I will ad Isner so that is 7 over 40 yrs, n
    Now do me a favor factor in how many tennis schools in the D1 arena per year times 40 , I believe its 6 to 8 per team , you can do the math on this for me I dont add well ,

    My question if the no.s are what i am seeing then the route of college is a death blow for anyone "wanting" to go pro , but I am open for stats that contridict these that i am seeing ?
     
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    did it work for him or did he realize it wasnt gonna work and he hightailed it out of their as did Blake ??
     
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    i agree with your thinking , a lot of people think the pros hit a different ball then the college or top Jr.s and trust me I have checked the can myself at a pro event , it is without a doubt the same ball that comes out of a can at a high level jr event ,
     
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    I don't think Washinton ever planned to stay for 4 yrs. that's why he went to Michigan so he could play #1.

    Martin is the opposite. He progressed at Northwestern then decided to turn pro after 2 yrs.
     
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    I never enter these debates, but here I go now. For most part college is not the right route to go pro. Almost nobody in the world is doing it apart from US where college sports are a huge thing. Young women are competing at age 14 and up in Europe, and not junior tournament, smaller pro tournaments. Unless all your college professors are going to pass you for no work, how are you going to balance training and studying? Your peers are playing pros at 17 and you are playing college tennis at 19? Playing better makes you better, not the other way around. I am for college education without question, and it is the right route for most tennis kids, but not for those with pro potential.
     
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    "Nine of his Stanford players, including John McEnroe, Gene Mayer, Alex Mayer, Roscoe Tanner and Tim Mayotte, have gone on to be ranked among the top 15 in ATP world singles rankings", college works for some, I will work on more schools see if the list gets bigger.
     
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    To be honest the NCAA champs of late have not quite yet become household names or consistent top 50-100 players a couple exceptions.....The list from 70-80's is whole other story.
    1996 Cecil Mamiit Southern California
    1997 Luke Smith UNLV
    1998 Bob Bryan Stanford
    1999 Jeff Morrison Florida
    2000 Alex Kim Stanford
    2001 Matias Boeker Georgia
    2002 Matais Boeker Georgia
    2003 Amer Delic Illinois
    2004 Benjamin Becker Baylor
    2005 Benedikt Dorsch Baylor
    2006 Benjamin Kohlloeffel
    2007 Somdev Devvarman
    2008 Somdev Devvarman
    2009 Devin Britton
    2010 Bradley Klahn
    2011 Steve Johnson
    2012 Steve Johnson
     
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    Please last 20 years at the most the game has changed from when they played !

    Lets stick with the criteria of 4 years then go pro .
     
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    I know there's already a list out there. Just have to find it. There's a lot of examples college players who went on to top 200, 100, etc. Careers. We forget about guys like Mike Russell UofMiami, Don Johnson UNC, Michael Yani Duke, Dom Inglot Illini. There's a bunch more.

    The clear fact is many more don't go pro or don't make it trying. Same goes for going pro as a junior and bypassing college. We all know the safe choice, blah, blah blah. This is another popular circular argument.

    Brad. I realize its a ways off, but if its decided DB go the college route. I'd look for a place he could play #1 without a doubt as a freshman. That way he get the toughest matches every time out. Just a thought. Know you don't want to go there. Just sayin'.
     
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    It might change back to college players becoming good pro players. It seems like players are lasting longer and peaking later in their careers then 10-15 years ago. This, I think, would benefit the pro player that may want to go to college.

    Before, it would have been a waste going to college at 18-22, I don't think that's the case anymore.
     
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    #1 Coach- Your player is good enough now that he can work a deal with a college that if he leaves early to go pro they will let him return to finish his degree at no cost.
     
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    The next few years will be interesting to watch, results will speak for themselve
     
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    We like the cycle of players he is in and we will watch and see if he makes huge jumps over this next year which we will train for and expect to happen , by the end of this year he should have filled out with some more size "weight" and then see over the next year what he does , we will be making adjustments along the way as he plays more futures and in 4 to 5 years will see where he is at .
     
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    Coach #1: Good move. Juniors are not important. Go right to the Futures. You will need to mix in weeks of training when you see what he needs to work on. Good USA schedule of Futures in Fla, Texas, and Calif. Thanasi's team has the right idea.
     
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    Talked with Thanasi's coach and after the week he had he says ' were not passing out any cigars to much to work on' I love it , anyways yes we are looking to cover as many futures as possible this year another thing we have done is looked at the template of what the top So.Cal players have done over the last 6 to 8 years and see where they were game wise and physically to make our decisions.

    WE believe we are ahead of schedule on some things behind on others such as junior compeiton but thats ok competition can be bought .
     
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    Hey Brad - why did DB pull out of the Florida future this weekend?
     
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    DB played today against a kid from Arg today and plays tomorrow after 1030 at Sunrise ,as for last week home sick .
     

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