Thank you Oscar Wegnar!

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  1. guitarplayer

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    I bought your book last week out of frustration with my strokes. Everything seemed to make sense. Im 57 years old. My strokes have gone from classic to a sort of hybrid of my own device. Been frustrated for the past few years with consistancy control and power. To compensate for my failing ball striking I've gone to larger and larger head size frames. My game has been up and down like a yoyo. Went from a 4.5 to a 3.5. I am mainly talking about my forehand. Backhand has kept me in the game so to speak.

    So, I tried your modern swing over the weekend with amazing results. Within 10 minutes I'm swinging and wrapping the frame around my neck and sending the ball like a little missle spinning to my target area. My previous swing was tiring and so much work to control the ball, pace, and direction. Tonight I won a 4.0 match pro set 8-3. My opponent was 26 years old and could not keep up with me. I had Hardly any swing thoughts except thinking of my follow through. I am back to using a Pro Staff and just nailing my forehand with more pace than when I was 18.

    It's well after midnight and I am so pumped up. The swing feels so natural and requires much less thought and effort. You've got a happy convert here. I didn't think at my age this type of swing was for someone like me. I feel 25 years younger now.
     
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    This thread will go good.
     
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    Always feels good when something works the way it's supposed to! My forehand used to cause troubles to a tennis coach I sometimes play with (she's about a 4.5), but it's currently a little messy. Last year, it was just as big as I can hit it currently, except that I was never missing it and did it feel good to know I could attack any ball, regardless of where it was on the court! Unfortunately, I think I won't have my hitting partner this year as my friend is back in hospital for psychological issues... I can find an other one, probably, but I'll certainly miss hitting with him and seeing him smile and laugh instead of just seeing not feeling good every other day I visit him.

    Enough with drama... it seems like you're feeling happy and satisfied, but as economics assume, it won't last long until you start wondering "what if I could make it even better?" Well, if you improve your footwork and move it up to the level of a 5.0-5.5 player, taking that same forehand, you'll be deadly dangerous, regardless of the opponent. Funnily enough, footwork is the easiest thing to learn to do properly, the quickest and surest way to improve your game, but it's also the least practiced and least well executed part of the game in amateur tennis. Keep up with the work and you might find yourself to be better at 57 than in your prime years!
     
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    Hockey fan! Yeah!

    I am wondering if you're more about hard hustles and physical play or if you prefer fancier, faster games... favoring highly the later, I was disappointed to see some of the best stickhandlers and play makers loose it all too early during the playoffs. At least, there's still LA in there, but I would have preferred to see more from the faster formations. Anyway, greetings from an other fan!
     
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  5. 1HBH Rocks

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    I almost forgot to ask which sort of advice you've read about.
     
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    If your ordinary balls turned into missiles within 10 minutes of a stroke change, you must have had a pretty good forehand prior to this.
     
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    Is there a place to illegally download this book for free?
     
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    He said that he once been a 4.5 and that his backhand is still great. So, he has already great tennis skills; he simply was using them poorly on the forehand side and OW's book just got him looking at the exact issue. Of course, if he was 4.5, he probably had an excellent ability to generate power and to coordinate his body. With good tips, a mess can be fixed quickly when the foundation is there; it's not like you're teaching it to a kid who never was good before -- in that case, you need to build the skill level required to play the shot, which wasn't OP's case.
     
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  9. Limpinhitter

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    Congratulations! Glad to hear it worked so well for you. Although have I made a successful conversion to modern technique, your experience has piqued my interest. I may have to get Wegner's book to see if I can expand my understanding of my own technique.
     
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    I agree with your signature Limp. People either believe in freedom or only use it as an excuse not to act when they could... to discern both, the first group will bother about political participation and the common good whereas the later will be more concerned about the conformity of the nation to their norms, beliefs and customs than about democracy itself.

    Many conservatives complain about manifestations and there are right wing people in my country doing the same about other issues. Look at my signature... in my mind, they clearly are slaves.
     
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    guitarplayer - need a vid now to see your improved stroke! might inspire this olderthanyou player. :)
     
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  12. Limpinhitter

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    It's nice to know I'm not the oldest on TT.


    PS: Well, I forgot about Oscar. Hahaha!
     
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    There really is no such thing as freedom. If you are lucky enough to have the right to choose your master, you are best advised to choose a master whose agents you can vote for.
     
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    That would be the Internet.

    OMG, I'm still chuckling from reading your post. :)




    guitarplayer,

    Could you share what you took away from that book that has helped you with such a transformation?
     
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    Nice vid, OP, thanks. Sorry about the heat in Florida,:).

    Heres a vid of Wegner teaching the "modern" forehand which is entertaining if not instructional. Apparently Wegner says that the Chinese have studied Federer's forehand carefully and claim that it is a double hit (which is technically illegal). Oscar proves them wrong, thankfully.


    http://youtu.be/MxUPDHegz98?t=1m57s
     
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    Freedom is political autonomy... a truly democratic government allows the coexistence of conflicting interests and needs through equal representation and compromise. Haggles and deals is the closest thing to doing whatever you would wish -- that sort of freedom does exist.
     
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  19. Limpinhitter

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    Aren't you the guy who posted the pic of you playing 35 years ago with the knee-high sox, no shirt, moustache and the Pontiac Firebird in the background?
     
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  20. guitarplayer

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    Sure is! Tournament in 1981

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  21. Limpinhitter

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    Nice looking backhand. You don't see anyone playing a backhand from that position anymore, even on return of serve. Love the Firebird. American car makers just don't have any aesthetic taste anymore. So, what happened to the Frankie Avalon hair helmet?
     
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    It indicates to me that OP is an advanced player who could swing with high RHS and still manage to catch the ball when and where he wanted it, and steer it in the right direction. He was missing some topspin to add more reliability, which he has now added. That is typically how juniors test the waters - they hit harder and harder and discover the level of TS needed for control.

    In the latest Tennis magazine, Peter Burwash explains how for most adult players who lack such skills, the across the body finish produces a weak ineffective stroke due to lack of RHS, and also increases the risk of injury.
     
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  23. guitarplayer

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    Well, 31 years later as you see here...no hair!

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  24. sureshs

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    The shorts are too long for 1981
     
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  25. sureshs

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    No hair is compensated by money for Mercedes.

    Such is life.
     
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  26. sureshs

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    I hit my BHs like that
     
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  27. Limpinhitter

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    Haha! Mine just turned a different color.
     
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    guitarplayer - nice pic from bitd. :)
     
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  29. 5263

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    Little different from your usual tune where you say MTM is for beginners or players
    just like Burwash describes.
    Now you seem to indicate that MTM is working for this fellow because he can
    swing with high Rhs and steer it. I would agree with where you seem to be now,
    understanding it is good for young and not so young, along with beginner and experienced.
    Nice of the OP to share his personal experience.
    thanks
     
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  30. sureshs

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    It has nothing to do with MTM. All pros and juniors swing across the body. None of them have any knowledge of what MTM is.

    It comes naturally when the swingspeed increases and the ball still needs to be in the court. It is impossible to swing fast and produce spin, without the arm crossing over due to its continuing inertia (unless it is a RFH).
     
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  31. 5263

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    Naturally is in agreement with what Oscar says, and the motion is quite natural, but
    learning of MTM clearly helped this experienced player and no doubt of his knowledge of it.
     
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  32. guitarplayer

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    In the vid I posted was just before my swing went to hell. I started steering the ball, which led to other compensations, and finally pure crap the rest of last summer. Now I am not steering the ball at all. I am swinging through the ball as if it weren't even there. Before it was like I was hitting the ball...not swinging through it. If that makes any sense.

    I also feel less effort with the Wegnar swing even though I'm hitting the ball harder.
     
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    You cannot be serious.
     
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  34. 5263

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    I experienced something very similar several years back when I first met Oscar and learned of his
    methods. My Fh never went bad,....... but using traditional technique, I never felt I could
    cut loose and attack shots the way I wanted to, but while still retaining
    the kind of consistency I felt was needed. I see the same out of many players, but they seem to accept
    the hot and cold streaks they suffer thru.

    1hbH, got to say the Fh never felt better and is always slowly improving from then. None of that 2 months later doldrums you speak of.
     
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  35. sureshs

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    You guys just loved to flaunt your hairy chests those days, didn't you?
     
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  36. guitarplayer

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    We be manly............my kids crack up at my old pics.
     
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  37. Cheetah

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    double hits are legal if done in one fluid stroke
     
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    I double checked and you are right. Good news. Can't wait to practice the Federer "double hit" forehand.
     
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    you have good rhs op.
     
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  41. 5263

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    May have been the vid quality, but I was looking at a Nadal Fh on TP
    that appeared to compress the ball, then less compression, then big compression
    again before it came off the strings.
    Couldn't be sure though.
     
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  42. chico9166

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    Poster's forehand looks likes Tim's (who post here alot). Most def an MTM looking forehand.
     
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  43. 5263

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    Did I understand right, that the Fh in the vid was before reading the book?

    Either way, while the shots looked very good, he got a lot of room to add in some
    more nice layers of mtm technique and make it even better.
     
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  44. Larrysümmers

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    how to play tennis in 2 hours was a pretty great book i thought and i suggest it to everyone
     
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  45. guitarplayer

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    Freakin awesome. John Oats!
     
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  46. Tennis Truth

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    Funny/Bizare

    That part where Oscar talks about "the Chinese" and the "double hit" is pretty funny. I appreciate people who are "different," but that statement is pretty bizarre.


     
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    Double hits are legal as long as its one continuous motion
     
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    Suresh, you are correct !!! Finally, the recognition that those charachteristics are natural !!! If you have an athletic young kid and they learn to play on their own, in most cases they do it naturally. My old friend Manuel Santana told me the story of how he was a ballboy in Madrid, and not having a racquet he just hit with the other boys with a piece of wood. Then one of the members gave him a broken racquet. And then he progressed on his own, on and on. Two French opens, one Wimbledon, and one Forest Hills. And he hit the forehand like MTM, and you are right, he didn't learn it from me. I LEARNED IT FROM HIM !!!

    MTM is just a clarification of what is natural, and it's main purpose is to disabuse the young and the old of those stupid techniques that mess up your game. Like mine was messed up as a kid, continental, turn sidewayas, racquet back, step in and follow through towards the target. Too many US (internationally too) coaches are still using one or several combinations of these misguided myths.

    I brought up an awareness worldwide of these issues with my ESPN International tips. They had, with the NBA finals alone, two billion impressions between June 1997 and October 1999, and ten billion altogether with all ESPN Inteernational sports. Too bad that ESPN domestic didn't like them, I had a bit of an accent and I was a bit too controversial for them.

    Well, I probably would have been a billionaire by now and not talked to you here !!!!
     
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    I didn't know Ron Jeremy played tennis.
     
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  50. sureshs

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    So OP had such a forehand even before reading the book, but improved it with more TS.
     
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