That was the worst run tournament

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  1. jdubbs

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    This weekend had to be one of the worst run tournaments I've ever had the "privilege" of playing.

    1. No food. Not even bagels or oranges or bananas or anything. Now, after I finished my match, I heard that they were ordering food...for the officials only. Glad to see our money was going to a good cause. I don't need a feast, but come on. There were 115 competitors at $40 each. That's $4,600, you can't spend $100-200 on refreshments on a hot day?

    2. There were 8 main courts in great shape and 6 what I would call "practice" courts in that there were cracks all over the place, the worst maintained courts I've played on in years, maybe ever.
    I was shocked when told we were to play our match on these practice courts, and dealt with serves hitting cracks and skittering off, etc. I would have waited a while for a court to free up.

    3. A day after the tourney ended, still no results posted online. Most tourneys post results every day. Not this one.

    4. A generally unfriendly welcome. A fellow player asked about a result, and was told rudely to check the postings on the wall with a point and a scowl. The official then told me "can't have people start asking me the score."

    5. I lost 6-2, 6-1 in the first round. (Well, they couldn't do anything about that one :) )

    Come on USTA...get your stuff together. I won't be attending this tournament again, I'll tell you that. I've been to others where the attitude is much friendlier and facilities far better.

    Am I off here? All other tournaments have been far better than this.
     
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  2. tennismonkey

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    as far as USTA tourneys. it's hit or miss. i play NTRP tourneys and my coworker's son goes to a lot of junior level tourneys. some tourneys are run really well with officials and folks who know what they're doing and food and drinks available for players. courts in nice condition.

    others are run by folks who have little or no experience running a tournament. no refreshments, no food. courts cracked or har-tru courts not maintained.

    enter another tourney and give it a shot. just pack your own stuff. you ever watch bag check on tennis channel? there's a reason those guys carry EVERYTHING in their bags.
     
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  3. fleabitten

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    Bummer. Sounds like a bad one. Care to divulge the tournament and post a link to the USTA page for it?
     
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  4. chatt_town

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    they may have made much more than that. Don't they allow you to play two events? I've seen worst up north but they weren't usta. This was mid tac in Indi. It was July 4th weekend and these people didn't even have Ice and water. There were 4 rows of 10 courts and they had them full. They had no benches on the court and you weren't allowed to take any chairs on the court(don't ask me why). People went out and bought coolers that turned into seats. The tennis circle I play in in the southeast provides all of the above. The the tourney I just played in I didn't spend one dime all weekend to eat and it was 62 people in the tourney at 28 bucks apiece. The tropies are second to none. I got a goody bag as well with all sorts of stuff in it. USTA screws us over enough during league. The last thing I'm going to do is give them 40 more dollars so they can screw me again like this event.

     
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    Sorry to hear that. I've never played at that facility myself... and based on what you're saying, not likely I'll ever attend in future!

    If it's any consolation, the draw with final results is now posted, and it looks like the guy you lost to went on to win the whole thing, including a win over the #1 seed (who I've met before, and who is a good player). So your loss was actually quite a good loss, if there's ever such a thing :)
     
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  6. woodrow1029

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    Which tournament was this? In NorCal?
     
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  7. jdubbs

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    Yep, Norcal.
     
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    Usta doesn't really have anything to do with your tournament conditions.

    But I have been to worse:

    - High school courts with no benches, no windscreens and no court dividers
    - Bathrooms locked on the weekend so TD pointed to some porta potties
    - Of course no food or drinks.
    - Tournament check in desk was TD lounging in a beach chair in a parking lot next to the courts.

    Can't believe I actually paid money for that experience:)
     
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  9. woodrow1029

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    You should call the adult tournament coordinator at the NorCal USTA office and let her know.
     
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  10. beernutz

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    Thread hijack: I played in a fund raising tournament a few weeks ago where the prize for winning at each level was getting pictures taken with the Bryan brothers and some other pros at an exhibition fundraiser the next night.

    The tournament was run pretty well, had great food and drink, and the weather was perfect. The stupid part was that the winning teams were determined by most games won over 5 rounds of play. That sounded fair until upon further inspection of the schedule we see that some teams played all five rounds while several got a bye.

    So did the organizers use average games won per round which would have actually given the teams who got a bye a chance to win? Nope, they used total games won. For some unknown reason </sarcasm>, the two teams which played all 5 rounds were way ahead of all the other teams in games won. Maybe not coincidentally, the winning team also included a reporter from the local paper who has a drive time sports radio show.

    It was a good thing the money raised by the tournament went to a charity.
     
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  11. nickarnold2000

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    Yes, definitely let them know! :oops:
     
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    I played in a USTA section tournament in Scottsdale, AZ and there was no water, no ice, like 5 bananas for all the participants, some mini-Clif bars that had clearly been donated, and some water fountains with warm water. I was stunned. The temperatures were near 100 degrees.
     
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    Sorry that you had such a bad experience. I would either contact the tournament director or your state USTA sanctioning coordinator. USTA itself doesn't have anything to do with the court conditions, lack of food, scores, etc. as that is all on the tournament director. In addition, USTA does not get your $40 entry fee, either. That all goes to the tournament, too. As an earlier poster suggested, try another tournament. There are some really good ones out there.
     
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    It is definately hit or miss. I wish the USTA sent you an online survey afterwards & the TD's that score too low be suspended from hosting. The shotty tournaments really put a bad taste in the mouth of players & discourage them from playing in the 90% of events that are well run.
     
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    I actually got an "online evaluation form" and rated them very low on most counts.
    Hopefully they'll wake up and see that you can't treat your die-hard tourney players this way.
     
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    ok process of elimination, was it Sonoma state or Pasadera tourney. It's ok to tell so I can avoid playing there in the future.
     
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    I am kind of interested by the OP. I play a lot of intermountain tourneys and have never had one that provides anything besides water on the courts as far as refreshments. Some don't even have that. I have played on good and bad courts but usually I know based on the site if the courts are in good shape or not ahead of time.
    I'm surprised by the small # of competitors unless that was just at your level. Most of the tourneys I've been to have around 400-500 participants or more. Singles entry fees are usually around $30 and dubs around $20 so I guess we get what we pay for.

    Interesting the way things vary in different areas.
     
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  19. Jonny S&V

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    I don't mean to be rude, but:

    #1: You expected food? I've never played a junior/adult tourney that gave us food. Or drink.

    #2: I've played 32-draw tournies played on 8 courts (with all age divisions).

    #3: I had to wait a month for one tournament to post results (and subsequently, get my ranking points).

    #4: The draws ARE there for a reason (although the official could've been nicer I'm sure).

    #5: Ah, everything is slightly skewed now... ;-)

    In other words, my friend, suck it up. You've been spoiled. :twisted:
     
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    I guess i have been spoiled, but then again entry fees were $40 for singles with no consolation, so you lose you go home. Pretty steep.
    I think the thing that bothered me most was the horrible court conditions. Everything else was bad too as i mentioned, and their attitudes were terrible.
    Ive seen much better tournaments and it frustrates me when i see things so poorly run. They should know better.
     
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    i knew what tournament you were talking about in the first three sentences. played the 5.5 a few times years back and would never do it again. the worst!
     
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  22. beernutz

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    I never played in a junior tournament but OTOH I've never played in any adult tournament which didn't have food of some kind. I'm about 10 and 0 in finding food at tournaments.
     
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  23. TennisDawg

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    Was the tournament called "Department of Motor Vehicles" Open?
     
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  24. Mongolmike

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    I bring everything with me for tourneys... extra EXTRA water and sports drinks in a big cooler, real food and snack food, couple extra changes of clothes especially extra socks, 2 or 3 pair of shoes that have been well broken in on court, extra grips, lawn chair, sun screen, advil, blister bandaids.... I don't expect anything extra except a restroom (preferably not just port-a-pots.... it really sucks to try to change in a port-a-pot).

    I'm ready to play, no matter what, but what strikes me as odd that tournament directors couldn't make a few phone calls to get someone else to sell food... a high school booster club or something like that who wants to provide food and make a little money? How tough would that be? Heck, they could order delivery pizza and sell slices along with cases of store bought bottles of pop.... You make one contact, tell them how many days and the times of the tourney, and how many players and spectators you expect... let them figure out the rest.

    And the other thing, wouldn't it be worth it if a tennis club is the tournament director at an off-site tourney, that they would set up a table/booth and sell their club gear... hats, overgrips, shirts, pins, close-out priced clothes, etc?

    It'd be easy to sell a few hundred dollars of stuff I'd think, let alone have one of their stringers on hand with a box full of a variety of strings and grips and provide restringing service right there. I string my own at home, and I know a good stringer could fill up their trunk with equipement and supplies... so work out of your trunk with a 5 foot table set-up to work on. You could charge solid prices, and over the 3 or 4 days of the tourney, I'd think you'd get a good number of string jobs... no?
     
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  25. Baxter

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    I wouldn't expect food, but it sure is nice when it's there. Benches or chairs are a must IMO especially when it's hot. The tournament I played last week had no changeover seating, but at least they let you bring your own. Most of the courts were badly cracked, but amazingly, I played five matches and the cracks never came into play. You should vote with your wallet and avoid this one next year.
     
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  26. silentkman

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    It's hit and miss in the Mid-atlantic also. The problem here is that the tournament directors are trying to make as much money as they can. Most adults tournaments are in the 40-50 dollar range and you may get food. Most tournament never have enough officials (a thankless job). they are just Hustlers plain and simple. A outdoor tournament should never be more than 30 bucks.
     
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    The worst tournament I attended was a junior tournament in which no food was provided AND the volunteers at the auxiliary site refused to allow players to leave the site to get food, telling us repeatedly that our court was next (and implying that players would be defaulted if we left).

    It was so windy that the windscreens had been removed because the wind had destroyed them. Because it was cold and there was no shelter, players had to sit in their cars waiting to be called (and as a result, a parent couldn't just leave the player at the courts while getting food.)

    My son finished his first match before noon, was first told he would play again at 12:30 and actually wasn't put on the court until almost 3 p.m.

    I wrote to the director afterwards. We won't be going to that out-of-town tournament again.
     
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  28. silentkman

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    I just watch my friends son play in a L5 junior tournament yesterday.
    The cost was $50 for no food, shirt, bathroom. The cheapest trophies you can possibly buy. Believe it or not 68 people paid $50 for a poorly run tournament.
     
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  29. Roforot

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    Your only "mistake" was in signing up for this tournie and handing them your cash. This positive stimulus encourages more of this greedy behavior. There are sheep for the USTA who'll say "suck it up" because that's all they know.

    Next time, please tell us the name of the tournament in the first thread. I think it's important to be a critical consumer of USTA's products.
     
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  30. Roforot

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    BTW, this is to me the worst offender. I could forgive a tournament director if he said they couldn't budget food or arrange for water/drinks, but I expect a friendly approach.
     
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    0 for 3 in open money tourneys... Not that I've gotten close to winning moneys, but yeah...
     
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  32. tennis tom

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    Well, if it was @ sonoma, I can see that. It's a jr college located in the southern emerald triangle. Most of the students probably have med marijuana cards for the stress caused by too much partying. They are hoping to transfer to the big show to get out of town to Chico or Berkeley--of if mommy's got a really big alimony ASU.

    There was a thread here recently about bad behavior by some sonoma college players on a neighboring court cursing loudly in front of the poster's nine year old child. I've played in some open tournaments alongside college players in norcal and can't believe the histrionics. The officials didn't do anything about it, can't say I blame them--it's critical mess--no way of controlling it without pepper spray.

    The OP's tournament reminds me of a cross-country race I was in once, "For and By Runners", hilly, very hot day, poorly marked course with runners getting lost and NO water stations on a hot day. Now when I see "for and by..." anything, I assume I'm on my own and come self-prepared.

    I don't think OP's spoiled, I think the tournament is cheap and clueless. At most Senior Tournaments, I feel I get more than my money's worth. Use of the facilities at a nice club, gym, pool maybe hot-tub. A party, dance, nice lunch, beverages in a cooler, orange slices, bananas, bagels. A goody bag, a t-shirt or maybe a hat and get to play and watch some good players who know the rules. That's been pretty much the norm in the tournaments I've played in NorCal. Thought about playing sonoma but if that's what we're talking about, I'll pass--but what do you expect at an institution of higher learning.

    Namaste'
     
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    Hate Sonoma much Tom? Lol

    The tournament in question was at Sonoma State, which is NOT a JC. And I dont think Rohnert Park is in the "Emerald Triangle" - though I do believe SSU used to be known as "Granola U" back in the day.

    Not gonna defend the tournament since I haven't played there in years, but had to chime in a little to defend my Alma Mater. Go Cossacks! (although they changed the mascot to Seawolves years ago - lame).
     
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    ^^^Yup...SSU is not a JC but a Cal State. NCAA Div II if not mistaken. More in the Sonoma wine country than the Emerald Triangle...that would be Humboldt State, much further north.
     
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    ^^^ Yup - Div II. In fact, during my tenure SSU hosted the Div II National Championship.
     
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  36. jdubbs

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    Yep it was Sonoma. You would think in the heart of wine country things would be pretty nice, but no...they really made me feel unwelcome, and the far courts with all their cracks were a joke. At least I could visit some wineries afterwards. If you havent been to Healdsburg, you're definitely missing out...
     
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  37. IA-SteveB

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    I don't expect anything at any tournament. I'm always packed like a camping trip so I'm ready for anything. Some of these USTA tournaments are pretty pricey, especially when you are "one and done" in two events like my last one.
     
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    Great post. Thanks for the laughs. The 13th grade in wine country - sounds like a good plot for a movie.

    I've never seen food provided at a tournament - but always water if not sports drinks. As far as court conditions, welcome to the new normal - money is going elsewhere. Unless you play at a club, expect the worst - hopefully they're safe. If they weren't I'd probably turn around and not play.
     
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