The 1975 Dallas WCT

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    Oi, a bit of warning for the first few seconds of the vid would've been in order. :shock:


    Thanks, and narrated by Charlton Heston, no less.
     
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    Great clip, man, thanks for sharing it.
     
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    Wonderful video, thanks Cyborg. It's fascinating for me to watch this footage of matches from a few years before I started following tennis closely all the time. I remember in 1975, being a young kid (6-7) in Lexington, Kentucky, having read about Ashe winning Wimbledon and how that was such a big accomplishment. I hadn't quite yet started playing, but I was already getting very intrigued. I remember asking my parents about Ashe because he seemed to be a really interesting fellow. What a great tournament, especially that Laver-Borg classic and then the Ashe-Borg final. The Big D had some great tennis in the 1970's-1980's. Lamar Hunt was instrumental to the WCT of course.
     
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    I have to admit to hating the format of these old highlights. They are maddeningly dated, with a lot of stupid filler, ridiculously cheesy narration. Stupid camera angles. Not enough rallies.

    I don't need Charlton Heston to tell me what happened. Just show me.

    Of course this is better than nothing and the quality is good, all things considered. Shouldn't complain, I guess.

    I want to see more of the Laver-Borg match.
     
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    Nice find, Cyborg. The Borg-Laver match is really exciting. Laver has lost some explosiveness on his serve, he is serving quite static, maybe his back trouble has hampered his service motion. Borg is coming in on the indoor carpet very often. Some great rallys at 11-14 minutes, with both going back and forth, and some great backhand angles by Laver.
     
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    That is indeed a great find; thanks for posting!

    Would be very interested in the 1971 and in particular 1972 WCT finals matches between Laver and Rosewall. I've done some quick poking around at public.resource.org and some of the sites behind that, but haven't been able to come up with anything.

    Any idea if either of those matches might be available online somewhere?
     
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    Great find. Thanks for sharing. I must confess I like the narration (especially from Moses himself)--it adds to the 70s nostalgia (great to see Heston, Bridges and other celebrities in the crowd for what was then a fairly major tournament). Also nice to see someone win without falling to his knees or like drama--Way to go Arthur--act like you have been there before.
     
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    Yup! Some of Laver's bh's in that match were just brutal. Borg seemed to hit a lot more unforced errors in both the Laver and Ashe matches than he usually does. I can't help but imagine a 30 year old Laver against Borg. Wow!

    Did you catch the part about Alexander overpowering Tanner? Oddly, they didn't show any of his big first serves. But, I can tell you that, although not as widely recognized (perhaps he was never clocked), Alexander's serve was as big as Tanner's. It was described as poetry in motion. And he is bigger than Tanner, with a greater margin for error. Alexander was also a pretty snappy dresser. Notice he wears shorts with a belt, a trademark of Alexander.
     
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    From SI article :

     
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    As I remember it, the WCT Finals in Dallas was as big as any tournament in the World at the time. The promotion, television and prize money all helped to make it that way.
     
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    Yes sir, big time in the early-ish days of professional tennis. I was just a little kid at the time, but I was aware this was the big time. Not quite Wimbledon or Forest Hills, but close.

    I never got why they chose to do it in the basketball arena (Moody Coliseum) on a college campus (SMU) instead of a place like Madison Square Garden.

    I'm sure it had to do with Lamar Hunt, financial interests and the fact that the fledgling ATP had completely other interests.

    This was a brave new world...a wild wild west...and other cliches that intimate conflicts of interest and anti-trust kind of stuff.

    Well, politics aside, it was a golden era in tennis. Thanks so much for posting that link!

    We've got to do a 70s tennis mixer. Every club ought to have one.

    I want to order up that red FILA shirt Borg was wearing. Wonder if they have that in their heritage collection?
    Probably can't get Arthur's cool houndstooth polo with the huge collar anywhere today.
    Anyone up for growing their hair out Mark Cox style?

    I know I'd be up for hitting backhands like Laver. That guy was something else. Just the greatest.
     
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    Yes, Lamar Hunt was from Dallas.

    His tour, his tournament, his place.
     
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    The first play off in 1971 was set to be played at MSG or the Houston Astrodome. I have an old programme from the original 1971 world wide series, where these locations are given.
     
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    Hidden gem at 14 minutes 38 seconds

    Anybody spot it?

    He only missed the true grand slam by 2 sets.
     
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    Arthurs first major championship in 7 years

    About 2 minutes to go.....

    Obviously they discounted the 1970 Australian but considered the WCT a major
     
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    I noticed the film also called Dallas the first major championship of the year, even though the '75 AO had already taken place.

    Of course the film was made to promote the Dallas event. Still, it would not be possible today to refer to a tournament in May as the first major championship of the year.
     
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    Is that Lou Hoad in the crowd at about 14:34 and again at 14:38?
     
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    Lew Hoad

    I pretty sure it is. Along with Lew Hoad, there was Don Budge in the crowd earlier in the video. Having these greats in the crowd just underscored the high esteem the WCT finals championship was held in at the time.
     
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    Sadly, they don't show the fight, Lew was involved in with a Brit newspaperman (Was it News of the World?), to which the SI article above refers.
     
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    Wow. Ashe apparently out-pushed Borg on that day. Ashe seems in the limited clips shown in this video to have completely disrupted Borg's rhythm from the third set onward by feeding mostly backhand slice to Borg's topspin until Borg actually committed an unforced error or two from just inside his baseline, after which point Ashe would only sparingly strike the ball with any seeming intent to hit a winner, and even then only after he had got inside Borg's head somewhat. I could see that look in Ashe's eyes while he was rallying, the look of an opponent with no intent to strike the ball with much controlled aggression anytime soon but every intent to guide it back safely adding one more straw onto the camel's back in the hope of finally annoying the crap out of your opponent who, on this day, happens to be striking the ball better than you...and obviously you want to take him out of his comfort zone, and that is what Ashe appears to have done to Borg.
     
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    Gee whiz - could Laver's backhand passes have been any better? At 36, with a Maxply Fort, he was just crushing them. Amazing stuff.
     
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    WCT was were the best tennis was played in the early to mid 70´s...anybody´s got a video clip of the 1974 finals? The winner was Newcombe bu it was the first great final for an 18 year old Bjorn Borg, who felt down in 4 sets ... 2 month before winning his first GS title at Roland Garros ( an unbelievable 5 set win over Orantes, after losing the first 2 sets )
     
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    Borg 17

    Actually Borg was only 17 at the time, which makes his feat of getting to the final and playing a seasoned campaigner like Newcombe so hard all the more impressive. (he didn't turn 18 until later that year)
     
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    True.I think he got past Kodes and Ashe to make the finals.really impressive.As I mentioned before, 1974 was one of the most historicall years since there was a big change of guard.Newcombe,Nastase,Ashe and Rosewall were playing their last peak, while Connors,Borg,Vilas,Ramirez,Orantes were taking by storm the tennis world.It would remain unchanged till 1980, with Mac and then Lendl and Clerc challenging Borg,Connors and Vilas.
     
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    Thanks!

    Wow! what a great video. Thanks for posting this link. Does anyone know why Dallas was left off the fledgling ATP Tour that established after the WCT folded up in '89? Was it backlash from the earlier acrimonious merger with the Grand Prix? It would seem there would have been a great fan base in Dallas from all those great WCT Finals. To this day, Dallas has been shut out of any top level tournaments. The WTA just returned this year (Texas Tennis Open) after a twenty year absence and the men have yet to return. Thanks for any insight.
     
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    Ashe knew how to use the slice vs big hitting baseliners and enforeced his own great flat Bh, as he did against Mac at the 1978 Masters that Arthur lost rather than John won.
     
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    See Ashe vs Nastase or vs Mac and then watch his matches against big hitting players like Connors,Laver,Borg...hthat is bh versatility at msot¡¡
     
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