The 2012 ATP Player of the year on the line?

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  1. Feather

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    Novak Djokovic is the best player of 2012. I consider him that irrespective of what happens at WTF. I guess the only thing that matters should be ranking points. They are for a reason

    Has anyone noticed one thing Novak played all nine masters while Roger skipped three. Playing more 500 or 250 than Novak won't help in points for skipping three masters. That has played a huge part. I don't think Roger would have skipped Paris if it was not held continuosly. The Olympics forced him to skip Canada also. The scheduling also didn't help Roger as he was defending 1000 at Paris..
     
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  2. joeri888

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    Classy as always..

    It's close this season, with both winning 1 slam, and that's nice. But Novak still has the edge, even though Roger won more important things.

    Wimbledon > AO
    Olympic silver> olympic fourth
    WTF > WTF finalist
    IW, Madrid, Cincy=Miami, Canada, Shanghai
     
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  3. Prisoner of Birth

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    But Federer hasn't won the WTF yet.
     
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  4. joeri888

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    No, of course he hasn't. This thread was about if it was on the line, so that means in the hypothetical situation Fed wins tomorrow, will it be close or in Fed's favor then. I think it would be close, but Djokovic still edges it. Rankings in men's tennis usually are very fair.
     
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  5. Prisoner of Birth

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    Agreed.

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  6. kragster

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    I think it's funny how SOME fed fans were denouncing the Olympics as a glorified exhibition just a year ago. Now suddenly even a silver is an achievement better than a slam final!please note the use of the word some, this is directed at a few posters ( you know who you are)


    IMO, if Fed wins the WTF, I personally would factor in his age to consider the year a more special achievement than what Nole has done. I consider Nole the better player of the year based on ranking points but in comparing what achievement is more special you have to factor in age/stage of career.
     
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  7. kOaMaster

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    the ranking gap would still be too large I think. the ranking doesn't lie that much and lets be honest - 3 grand slam finals (of which he won one) is still pretty amazing. if it wasn't for federer, he would've had 4 grand slam finals (as well as last year).
    it would just show that the gap isn't too big and federer still has enough class not only to compete but also win vs everyone.

    but why don't we continue the discussion after the match? perhaps it's not even an issue after.

    by the way: when someone is looking for the "best player of the year" it usually doesn't matter whether he's 17 or 31. otherwise the award would be "best achievement" or something like that.

    ps: were there any not-year-end-#1-players awarded with "best player"?
     
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  8. veroniquem

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    Maybe, they should both get it: Fed would have 2 more titles but Djoko more finals, more consistency and the #1. I'm sure they could give it as a tie if they wanted to or just give 2 slightly different awards. They simply cannot ignore completely a player who has reached year-end #1 on consecutive seasons for the first time in his career. That would be every kind of wrong.
    But as you say, all those discussions may be moot by tonight anyway.
     
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  9. merlinpinpin

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    First of all, they've already awarded it to Djokovic, so this is more of a rhetorical question. But to me, should Federer win tonight, he would have deserved it (note that this is different from the #1 ranking, which Djokovic clearly deserves--numbers don't lie, and they favour Djokovic... but facts don't either, and to me, they favour Federer).

    A win tonight would put Federer ahead, seven tournaments to five, with an extra ATP500 and the extra WTF, which is pretty big (make that huge if you're not totally slam-centric). Also, he won tournaments on all four surfaces/conditions, while Djokovic only won on one out of four (outdoor HC). Djokovic is basically ahead because:
    - He reached many more finals (which could also be seen in a negative light, as playing second fiddle to others--Nadal on clay, Federer on grass, Murray and Federer on HC, and yet again Federer indoor should he lose tonight)
    - The only surface on which he's won this year (so far) is the most played-upon by far in a tennis season, which is a huge advantage over grass or indoor, for example
    - The schedule helped him big time because of the age difference, Federer having to pull out of Toronto and Bercy--this was of course the same for everyone, no so excuse, but the packed schedule of the Olympic year clearly worked in the younger man's favour, as it should

    When you factor in the 300+ weeks at #1 at age 31, yes, it would have been thoroughly deserved as far as I'm concerned (even if it is also deserved for Djokovic, of course).
     
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  10. Ico

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    Discussion over.
     
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  11. vive le beau jeu !

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    i was hoping for some debate... but unfortunately it's indeed over now !
     
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  12. veroniquem

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    Hail hail POTY: 3 master titles (6 finals), 1 slam title (3 finals), WTF, #1. I like it when the domination is clear. No ambiguity. No nagging.
    Not as good as 2011 but good enough.
     
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  14. monfed

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    Unfortunate indeed. Roger didn't take his chances, I wish he had just lost like 6-3,6-1 or something. Painful is the word! :(
     
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  15. Towser83

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    It was the closest year in a long time, but Djokovic still firmly cemented his role as the best player in the world. All in all though Federer can be very pleased he made it so close, Murray also has a slam win and olympic gold to be proud of, Nadal though out injured since Wimbledon, still won a slam and 2 masters. Top year in tennis.
     
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  16. NadalAgassi

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    He would have been the winner of all player of year awards even if he lost the final, but now his year really trumps both Federer and Murray by a large margin even with all having 1 slam. There shouldnt even be any discussion anymore.
     
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    Yep something for everyone. The only downer this year was Nadal's prolonged absence :( Hopefully that gets remedied in 2013.
     
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