The 4G Review Everyone Seems Afraid to Write?

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  1. julian

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    Other reviews?

    Do yiou know about other reviews of Luxilon 4G?
     
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  3. J011yroger

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    ALU checks in at 92. VS Gut isn't reviewed.

    ALU Rough is 85 which is odd since it is basically the same string as regular ALU.

    Those are the two best strings ever made in my opinion, the gold standards.

    The best multi ever made, which I might even like more than natural gut is Laserfibre Supernatural Gut.

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    Sure, they are all over the place.

    Just tell me what you want to hear and I will belt another one out for you.

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  5. julian

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    Above my level of IQ

    4G was supposed to be more durable than ALU
    According to reviews is NOT
    Very difficult to understand
     
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  6. SteveI

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    You can re-name this Thread... The Story of 4G "long lasting low performance". You nailed it... :)
     
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  7. arche3

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    Why would anyone be afraid to write a review of a tennis string?
     
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  8. SteveI

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    Because Wilson is hyping this string to the max.. and folks are talking it up.. here despite the negitive comments. It is a string that has a very limited market and it is overpriced.
     
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    It is very durable... just plays bad for a longer period of time. :)
     
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    Still doesnt realy answer my question. Marketing a string doesnt mean people are afraid to review it. There has already been a lot of negative reviews.
    I like the string a lot as a cross. My favorite cross for vs gut mains. Personally its priced fine for me. I should try it full bed.
     
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    You used to use Ltec 4S so wondering why you switch to the 4G string?
     
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    Just rhetoric and hyperbole. I doubt that anyone is afraid.
     
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    The ltec is better for my game but the 4G feels pretty much the same from fresh to snapped. It plays dead from the beginning. Low powered. Very controlled. The ltec played better. But changed more. From more lively to dead feeling. I didn't want to worry about the strings feeling different after some hours. I really like the control of the gut/4G hybrid. So I changed and now I just worry about my game.
     
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    Have to say I'm not a huge fan personally. A bit uncomfortable for me in a full job and a bit lifeless.
     
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    On this site.. it is like saying the PS 6.0 85 is not the racket of the gods...:)

    Jolly is just trying to make a point and be funny at the same time.

    I know there are folks that really enjoy all this string has to offer and it fits their game and style to a tee. It is not a string for the masses and is way.. way overpriced IMHO. If you are using as a cross with Natty Gut as the mains... I hear that is a winning combo. Others really like using Dunlop Ice as a replacement for the 4G. I tested the 4G in full bed and in the mains and was not impressed.
     
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  16. TimothyO

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    Excellent observation. I've noticed the same thing when comparing 4G to PHT, Outlast, Focus Hex, and RPM. 4G stays more consistent while other poly crosses can change significantly from fresh to worn.

    And where other poly crosses typically lose control over time 4G provides excellent control from the start.
     
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    I definitely was not a huge fan during the 4G playtest. I did not care for it at all in a full bed. I suppose it might be better as a cross but there is no way I would ever pay the price for it. My highlight though was how quickly my negative review disappeared from the Luxilon FB page after I posted it (per terms of playtest) but all the glowing ones managed to stay up forever.
     
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    Agreed with the main review, J.

    When TW & Lux did a blind playtest of this string before it came out with all its marketing force, the majority of reviews were also like yours:
    http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showthread.php?t=402901

    The reviews start around page 5, and there were two prototypes, a gold and a green string. I also received the gold and recall it to have mediocre playability with good control and high stiffness;
    my remarks then--and this was 4G main/RIP multi cross[42lb/47lb]--were:
    Control: 8/10
    Power: 5/10
    Spin: 7/10
    Feel: 4/10
    Comfort: 5/10

    While some are now arguing the 4G is an 'updated' version of the blind yellow string, I highly doubt it.

    Also, to the idea it is the best cross to gut mains... we can just agree to disagree, and I'll wager those people have probably not tried Weisscannon strings: tension stability WITH feel. But, if you do like 4G as your cross, more power to you as strings are definitely a subjective matter and we all have unique tastes. I think the main gripe with 4G is 'way overpriced' for what you get.
     
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  19. SteveI

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    I am shocked.. shocked I tell you!! Your neg FB just disappeared???
     
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  20. mlocke1322

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    I KNOW! I was just so sure they would keep unbiased opinions up instead of just keeping posts that glorify the almighty 4G :)
     
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    Very hard to understand...LOL. Serious now...the string is ok... but $17.00 for a cross string? I know you get 2 crosses for $17.00.. but you have to be a REALLY great player (or think you are) to get the best for your outlay of cash. Not really sure if I would use this stuff if they gave it to me.
     
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  22. chaddles

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    I really dont mind 4G 125 in my Organix 9. The control aspect was what I liked, and loved when I move in for a short shot, I could rip the ball and I had a lot of control. Is it better than M2 Pro or Alu - nope not even close and I don't know if I'll try it again. Other guys I've strung it for liked it, but wouldn't change from Alu Power.
     
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    JT,

    Which of the Weisscannon would you recommend? I tried Silver String and it was nice but lost tension and feel as quickly as any other poly I've tried. Always willing to test another string! :)

    As for whether or not 4G is the "best" cross for gut I'm not sure that such a beast exists! Everything is a compromise. I tried some more crosses recently (I love to tinker) but keep coming back to 4G crosses.

    I get more spin and, in some cases, more comfort with OTHER strings. The primary feature that draws me back to 4G is the immense level of control. No other cross I've tested with gut mains provides so much control over an extended period. That last bit is key. Other poly crosses provide good control initially but then rapidly drop off, often in a very big way. 4G's control remains high for a very long time. On the other hand, one sacrifices some spin and some comfort (and a little feel) compared to other co-polys.

    So "best" in this case means control over an extended period of time for me. For others, they might demand more spin and more feel and thus 4G crosses would definitely not be the "best". It's a matter of priorities and tradeoffs.

    As for cost, I do believe that while 4G is at the upper end of the price range for co-polys another key feature for me is that it does dovetail nicely with natural gut's tension loss rate. Gut's initial acquisition cost is high but over time its cost might be considered low compared to synthetic strings which lose playability much faster. 4G allows me to use a gut/poly stringbed for an extended period of time since it remains playable. In that respect it's more cost effective for me over the long haul since I need not re-string as often as with other polys which die faster and, in the case of shaped polys, which cut the gut mains faster than the round 4G.
     
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    My two cents. I break gut mains in 8-12 hours, usually 8-10, so I have no experience with Poly past that point. My favorite poly used to be MSV as a cross, but I tried Gosen sidewinder a few weeks ago and I find that it as a cross plays more consistently for the 8-10 hours, It has just as much spin as the MSV (or more) with better feel after hour 4. Might want to give it a shot.
     
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    Wait were you in the video of the alternatives for ALU Rough?

    If that was you and you hit that way, then I'm wondering how come I don't break Babolat VS Team 17 in two weeks; 'cause I surely hit way harder.
    Unless again that video is not how you hit?

    Also what do you think of:

    1. ALU Fluoro? Tried it once in a hybrid as mains with gut as crosses (it was supposed to be softer on the arm), but other then control wasn't really impressed overall

    2. The to be new Solinco? Supposedly again arm friendly?
     
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    In my 12 hour using 4g as a cross with Pacific Classic in the mains. I am not impressed at all with 4g in a hybrid. Too stiff, and too underpowered about sums it up in my experience from the baseline. The 4g totally muted the feel of the natural gut when trying to go for touch shots at net. The serve was the only I really good not complain about. Good spin, power, and control in that department.
    I was expecting a lot more for the money spent. 4g is better in a full set up in my opinion but even in a full set up, the price is not justified. I will not be buying these strings again nor will I recommend these to another player. I strung it up in a blade 98 2013 18x20 54/51.
     
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    Perhaps if you post your own video we could see how you hit way harder than I but strings last you an order of magnitude longer than they do me.

    Until such time it will have to remain one of the great mysteries of life.

    1. I thought flouro wasn't a bad string, but it was unnecessarily more expensive than ALU, and I liked ALU better anyway. I don't need softness at all.

    2. I hate, HATE Solinco strings. They feel ok when you hit slowly, or warm up, but when you start to swing at the ball with any sort of bat-speed, they roll over and play dead.

    J
     
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    [​IMG]
     
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    ROFL

    Still, I think 4G 15guage should be a good fit for 99S
     
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    i'm going to return the set of 4G i bought from tw along with these head tour leather grips. they're awful. that cow should be embarrassed.
     
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    Udderly terrible?

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    Jolly, ever try SPP Hyperion strings?
     
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    Turrible. How am I suppose to wrap something so stiff around my shaft?
     
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    Nope, never have.

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    I have. I like tornado better. For some reason it feels muted and doesn't have as much snap as poly plasma either.
     
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    Tornado seemed like it would provide 10,000 RPMs on the ball just holding it but did not. It was very average for me like Hyperion.
     
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    So I would probably hate it.

    I am more picky about my strings than I am about my women.

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    I prefer SPPP for a cross in a hybrid on open rackets because it's stiffer, but for full stringbed nothing beats Hyperion for me. Just tons of comfort (unlike the stiff SPPP), big spin, good touch (for a poly), never goes really dead and just lasts forever.

    It may not be quite as good as fresh stringjob of BB Alu Power, but that string goes bluh in all of an hour or so and breaks fast.

    I think you should give it a shot Jolly - string a bit higher tension then usual though.
     
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  39. Fintft

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    It could be the stringer too: mine is certified, pre-stretches the gut, even waxes it before feeding it through the grommets and it's probably the best stringer in town (granted that is not saying much for a city of about 1.5 million. At times I wax it myself, according to some "natural gut guide" from Tennis warehouse.

    Good to know about Solinco strings, thanks! I also have some Prince poly that I planned to try at some point, if I get around it.

    OK, you made me watch the whole video and if it's you here: https://vimeo.com/56250360, then yes I'm hitting harder in average.

    Also maybe you didn't buy a good natural gut like Babolat or Wilson and went for some of the cheaper ones?
    Finally I usually have at least 2 racquets (if not 3) strung the same and I alternate them at changeovers, getting usually at least 5 weeks out the both, before I need to string one. I play around 2 hours at a time, 5-6 times a week.
     
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    You know, I think you are on to something.

    I put my strings in myself, I usually just lay the racquet on my tea cart, and then hold it flat on there with my foot. I weave the strings through by hand (sometimes I get confused and lose track) and then I hold one end in my teeth, and pull them tight with the tire iron from the trunk of my car.

    J
     
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    That's a really good idea. How many of the same racquets do you think I should have?

    Do you think this is enough?

    [​IMG]

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    KPS 88 - yes...
    I dare you to break at least one of those.
     
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    The Kevlar kills them about the same as the K90s, which is to say they are at least 5-7X stronger than the BLXPS.

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    Well my arm would break sooner, starting from my shoulder :/
    I wonder if Prestige Mid will hold better for you due to tubular design and 40 lbs non-kevlar strings...
     
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    The JSuper18Pack!!
     
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    We will see, I only hit with it for a bit because I had a match to play and wanted to use my normal frames.

    I haven't even put a full stringjob through it yet, my first one was cut short when I shanked a kick serve. :(

    I think it was about to break anyway though, was notched pretty deeply. But that one was at 44, and still felt too stiff where I normally hit.

    Prestige sweet spot seems to be dead center, and I hit higher in the bed, so the prestige is a bit stiff where I hit the ball. Hopefully stringing it at 40 will help, she sure is a lively bitc* strung that low.

    Never met a string that loves low tension like BBO.

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    Jolly.. I am guessing you are not married...LOL
     
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    She said if I bought one more tennis racquet she was leaving me.

    Gosh I'll miss her...

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    Tell her instead it's investment grade materials: [K]arophite, Basalt, Graphite/Carbon... Promise her you will recycle all the broken racquets and turn them into diamond necklace for her (use 4G string, it's good as gold).
     
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    4G costs almost as much as gold..:)
     

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