The 4G Review Everyone Seems Afraid to Write?

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  1. rdis10093

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    jolly,
    how come you warm up 1handed on the bh side during short court warm up?
     
  2. J011yroger

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    Any kind of volley or half volley is a one handed shot, and warming up one handed gives me a bit better feel for the ball.

    Also helps my spacing as I am perpetually too close to the ball, so in the half court I try really hard to have my spacing be correct.

    J
     
  3. Fintft

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    All things aside, what natural gut have you tried?
     
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    VS, Klip Legend, and Pacific.

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  5. Fintft

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    So, you've tried quite a few...I'm amazed that a VS Team/Touch only lasts you 25 minutes though.

    Again, all things aside, it could just be an old batch (b/c even sealed I have a feeling that natural gut becomes less flexible in time, as my stringer feels sometimes- And I've been stringing with natural gut for about 5 years continually now at the same guy).
     
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  6. J011yroger

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    I'm sure that's it.

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    Don't know if you are serious and is a real newbie. Or, you are just faking it and is really a seaoned posters get a dig at Jolly. Nevertheless, Jolly is making fun of you with inside jokes that you are not getting.

    I would suggest that you stop making the claims that you are making unless of course you want to entertain the rest of us, if the later is true, then please continue educating Jolly and the rest of us, on gut stringing and how to hit properly so as to not break strings due to technical deficiencies.

    Yours truly,

    1.0 NTRP adjusted to 0.0 for TT MAC
     
  8. dennis10is

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    I hit with Jolly so if you "surely hit way harder" than him, I would love to see a video of you demonstrating it. could you please say in the video. Ok, here's my demonstration of the power I have and how is it way harder than Jolly's"

    thanks

    I tell my co-workers, business assocaites "hey, I looked at the bulge in your pants, and mine way way bigger." Somehow, it never worked as an ice breaker.

    Whenver my family moves into a new neighborhood, and we get invited to a welcoming BBQ, I would tell all the husbands and wives that I can satisfy their wives better than they can. Again, they never lend me snow blower, or a wrench, nada.

    What am I doing wrong?
     
  9. maxpotapov

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    I was also wondering how in the world one can break strings and racquets so fast, so I reviewed https://vimeo.com/56250360
    It seems to me Jolly slaps the ball more than brushing it, with little variation in terms of angle of attack, swingpath or contact zone on the stringbed. Nailing the ball 80 per cent of the time higher above the sweetspot, right in the middle, creates quite a stress for the frame. And strings wear out quickly as contact zone is very focused.

    When I look at my stringbed, it wears out more evenly because my concept of forehand is "brushing" not "slapping" (and grip is different, accordingly). Judging by the sound of impact, I hit the ball flat and square in the sweetspot just a few times a session, and Jolly does it all the time. I try to further develop my stroke to compress/pocket the ball more, but for a different grip and swing style it comes naturally. Also, long and strong arms and wrists helps too. Mystery solved?
     
  10. arche3

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    Wut? Are you jollys wife? Goat!
     
  11. Anton

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    I think his outstanding string and racket popage is from his outstanding 14oz spec. Lighter rackets have a little give (recall federer's racket twisting from off center hit), this just plows the ball, creating much higher forces acting on strings and the racket.
     
  12. SteveI

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    Maybe it is the fact he is stringing so high??? :)
     
  13. J011yroger

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    Breaks just as fast in stock frames.

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  14. Anton

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    well that's just another side effect of plowing the ball with 14 racket - the launch angle gets high, so you have to bring up the tension.
     
  15. J011yroger

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    Actually finding that string doesn't last as long now that I am stringing at 48# instead of 70#. Likely because I have to hit with more top to achieve the same depth, and also because the stings move more.

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  16. Anton

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    hmmm well I guess that blows my theory out of the water if that's the case...do you racket head speeds get faster with stock k90's?
     
  17. J011yroger

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    I just swing as fast as is required to hit the shot I want to hit. So to hit the same quality shot, I need to swing faster with the stock frame.

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  18. Fintft

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    Mid fifties seems a safer bet (I do 57 mains/55 crosses).
     
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    one of the 5.0s I string for asked for 4G. As a qualifier, I've yet to use it, but he tried the 15G and said it was crap; and I'm being kind. I then stuck some V-Rex in there for him and he loves it.
     
  20. SteveI

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    Rabbit... take my word for it.. it is crap!!! and overpriced to boot...LOL
     
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    Well, it's good to see my luck is holding out. I bought two sets of each gauge. LMAO.....

    Personally, I really like the Wilson Spin Cycle, it if super comfortable and all around arm friendly. I've also put some Isospeed Pulse in a frame to try, did a little research in TWU and it looks soft(er). I'm also very interested in the Pacific XCite...
     
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    These plebians simply can't appreciate the awesome exuding from Jolly. It's the secret sauce in his sweat that pops the strings so fast. Part Whiskey, part battery acid that corrodes polyester in mere hours.


    FWIW I pop in 2-3 hours full poly playing a stock frame at 48lbs as well...I neither "slap" the ball, nor string high. It's impressive the first 2-3 times you do it then it just gets downright costly and annoying.
     
  23. J011yroger

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    Don't even bother dude. If people watching live from the sideline can't understand what my shot does, it is hopeless for any internet armchair player. The only way to grasp it is to be across the net from it, or have played at a decent level.

    J
     
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    Somehow it must be the water. On the positive side, pizza dough is great. The negative is everybody on long island break strings more often.
     
  25. BigM

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    This has to be the biggest troll thread ever? 4g is an exceptional product. Pros seldom swap from long term Favs like BBO unless the new product is outstanding. Not for everyone sure , but a terrible product?
     
  26. Doubles

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    It's all personal preference. For me, 4G sucks.
     
  27. J011yroger

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    Correct; terrible product.

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    they are pushed to switch - and they get it for free
     
  29. fgs

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    one of the main issues overlooked when commenting about what the pros play or switch to is the mere fact that since they get it for free they rarely log more than one hitting hour on the stuff, not to mention the sticks that get restrung freshly but are never put to use, the string cut out basically not having seen a ball and getting a fresh string again.

    there is a big diffenrence in this respect, specially when we talk about higher priced products like this 4g, to us weekendwarriors or even serious players, who usually play them till they break. some do indeed cut them out, but that usually happens at least after 10-15 hitting hours, so the stringbedbehaviour will have quite dramatically changed, as we all have experienced.

    i have played strings that have been simply fantastic for the first three hours, but to what avail, if the rest of about 5 hours till they break are a complete disaster. these strings are simply fine for anybody willing and affording to cut them out after one or two hitting sessions, but for a vast majority, including me, they simply make no sense, no matter what the marketing whizzards try to tell us.
     
  30. maxpotapov

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    From what I understood from 4G marketing materials and Jo11y's review, the word "fresh" does not apply to 4G. It plays the same from start to finish, right? ;)
     
  31. J011yroger

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    No, it may hold tension better than other polys, but it surely gets worse as time goes on.

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    For me, with my swing and racquet, Head Extreme Pro IG, Luxilon 4G is BY FAR the BEST string I have tried. It gives by far the best CONTROL of any string I have tried: hence, it is the best string for me. I have glanced at many reviews for this string: most will say it has great or the best control, then list a bunch of features like "spin" or "feel" where it doesn't quite measure up. In the competitive tennis I play, control is just about everything. It feels very easy on the arm to me, so what is not to like? Those weak, hyper shaped and/or twisted strings simply don't have the necessary control. Balls go out that should go in. With 4G, more shots go where they should, which is in. This is obvious to me since my racquet and swing eat strings rapidly. Weaker, second tier polyesters begin to get stupid in half an hour to 45 minutes of hard hitting. Balls will fly. Confidence in the stringbed is lost. This isn't a close call. Even until then second tier strings don't have the control 4g has. I have gone through about 8 sets of the 1.25mm and just bought a reel. Your results may of course vary significantly if you use an 18 main string racquet and/or get 10 to 15 hours of good enough play from weaker polyesters. When I do a full review of the 4G I may tell the single word the #1 open player in Texas said to me as he held up his racquet for emphasis after wiping me out tour de force in the first set. (It should be instructive to some.) Finally, I too am angry at Luxilon for the pricing. Players that can actually strongly benefit from their products have to pay up to $16.95 every time they take the court? I wouldn't be surprised if 5 or $7 of that is going to the retailer. Can't Luxilon make their reels available direct for $150 or less? Don't they care about big hitters trying to get good or the best they can get? Or is the main thing for Luxilon the fluff market of players who string their racquets every few months or once a year?
     
  33. J011yroger

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    ^^^ Have you ever used really good poly like ALU or BBO?

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  34. Anton

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    Extreme Pro eats through strings much faster then any racket I've tried, so it makes sense that you like the 4G.

    When I played with Extreme Pro as my main frames for about 1/2 a year string longevity was a big concern.
     
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  35. blastforehand

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    4G makes my Extreme Pro IG legit. I may still try some 18 string racquets in the future, though. One significant plus is the IG is fast and easy to string. I went through about 60 sets of alu power smooth 1.25 when I first began playing again a few years ago. Awesome string, never should have switched from it to BHBR 16. But at least the BHBR16 allowed me to appreciate fresh poly. I would go through two sets in a hard practice. A few months ago I did a direct control comparison with fresh 4G and fresh BHBR16 on topspin crosscourt backhands. With 4G the balls mostly landed where they should--with BHBR16 they would too often be off by several feet or more. I was aghast and ashamed that I could be so stupid. I haven't used alu for a couple of years, and I do miss the awesome snap back and crispiness when fresh. Against a guy I might wipe out 2 and 2 with fresh alu, I might only edge out 4 and 5 with dead alu, while playing and feeling horrible. I don't recall ever trying BBO, but I have found my game is better with 1.25mm strings as opposed to 1.30mm, which I have found a bit too "heavy" for my swing.
     
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    I too find 4g great as a control string. Its not the spin monster or power string but it does everything predictably. Ive been using it since release. Testing against other polys like I usually do. It wins for overall plus to my game.

    I prefer the 1.30 as i use it as a cross for gut.
     
  37. Fintft

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    Then natural gut would be a possible solution, presuming that you can extend its life. But if you are saying that there is nothing else that you could do, stringing wise, then I guess that, that's it.
     
  38. J011yroger

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    I just tried it because my friend gave me a set, and asked me to tell him what I thought of it. I figured I would post a review on TW and maybe save a few people 17 bucks.

    I am plenty happy with my current setup which is comprehensively better than 4g.

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    I actually liked it as a cross for my natural gut mains. Tames the power nicely but the tension maintenance is what I really liked. I hate when the poly dies after 2 hours and my gut goes to waste
     
  40. Fintft

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    Don't the natural gut mains break fast also?
     
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    What strings setup are you using?
     
  42. J011yroger

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    BBO/ALUr 48#

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  43. Fintft

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    Thanks and I've seen in the other thread

    http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showthread.php?t=454584&highlight=BBO)

    that you would prefer an all bed ALU Rough (if it wasn't breaking for you)- was it b/c BBO had low power or why?

    Finally I presume that you'd take a gut hybrid (in crosses) over that (again, except for durability)?
     
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    No, a gut cross hybrid lasts just as long as full poly. Usually breaking the poly main for me in about the same time.

    I don't particularly care for gut in the crosses with ALU mains. I think it is a waste of money to use a gut cross.

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    As for the BBO hybrid compared to full ALU, I like them about the same, it is just what you get used to, but they play very similarly.

    Maybe the BBO blend has a bit more bite and the full ALU a bit more power.

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  46. Fintft

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    Thanks. Personally, I've never tried the opposite: gut in the mains like Federer...
     
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    Thanks and you were saying earlier that you didn't see too many disadvantages to the ALU Fluro either?
     
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    Everything is subjective.
     
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    My review of 4g during the second TW playtest was not favorable. I actually liked it better after the strings died.
     
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    Natural gut mains last twice as long for me compared to full poly. The poly notches and then snaps. The gut slides across the poly crosses and starts to fray and then snaps. I used full poly before, but the cost of using a gut/poly hybrid plus the playability swayed me over having to restring full poly all the time.
     

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