The Benefits of Surgical Tubing, by Nadal

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  1. Marius_Hancu

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    Nice stuff, Marius!!

    Doing his right shoulder too. :) Good man, but he does have serious one-sidedness for a righthander. His left side is much bigger than his right! Is this odd, or what?

    He's also using green bands which are pretty light. I'm wondering if he's having some bursitis?

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    Right side? WTF?
     
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    So? What are the benefits? I'll tell you one thing, Rafa didn't get his guns from surgical tubing...
     
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    Wait.........

    Not sure where these shots were taken (on courts, work out rm, etc.), but from these pictures this may be resistence training used to treat muscle injuries.

    TennezSport :cool:
     
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    Such stuff is used for both active training and conditioning and for rehab.

    Fed was using the elastic bands at the training sessions I was present during the warmup.

    They are great for training the rotator cuff and other shoulder components, in both strength and flexibility.
     
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    I'll buy rehab for a Pro (or anyone else for that matter), but active training and conditioning for a Pro? I don't think so. (I don't mean there aren't Pros who use them, but I seriously doubt there is a Pro who has musculature so feeble that a single surgical tubing is going to provide enough resistance to do much of anything beneficial).
     
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    He's doing external rotator cuff exercises in both pictures. While it is his right arm, I believe it is always best to exercise both sides of the body to limit muscular imbalances.

    I've been doing similar exercises with a 5lb weight.
     
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    It doesn't surprise me to see any of the pros using this stuff because of the kind of stress they go through. I've seen a ton of pros using it in their warmup.


    Funny story with this...at cincy.


    Joker was getting warmed up for his tuesday practice session and was using this stuff and the stretchy bands. After a while, he was warming up his shoulders and had the stuff anchored behind him when he pulled it forward, akin to a pelvic thrust basically. Some girl made a cat call from the crowd and he looked over and smiled while laughing a little.

    Pretty funny stuff!
     
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    They aren't for his muscles necessarily. There mainly used for tendons and joints and things.(when not used for rehab) I bet Nadal was 100% healthy in the pic. You have to be very careful not to lift too much weight when doing those types of motions.
     
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    Excellent point about warming up, and warming up both shoulders would be appropriate escpecially since he has a two handed backhand. This wouldn't be rehab or strength building with green bands. LOL! If he needed those bands for rehab he should be at home resting. And as strong as he is he could be using at least 10 lb weights for rotator cuff work. I do my rotator cuff work with 20 lb weights x 20. Usually 3 sets.

    But, this is just my opinion, which is usually wrong. :)

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    No worries. The amount of resistance of a single surgical tubing (especially for someone with Nadal's arms) is more than zero, but not much more...
     
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    Pal, did you mean external rotation or internal rotation?

    I could only do external rotation with 8 kilo (17.6 lb) dumbell for 10 reps.
     
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    Exactly, you don't want to lift too much more than that. It can really hurt you in the long run.
     
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    Ano:

    I do external rotation by holding the dumbbells at shoulder level, elbows out, and rotate up towards my head. That's my standard exercise, but I also will do cable pulls for external and internal rotation. Internal rotation on cable pulls I use 40 lbs on our machine. (I doubt machines are fungible.)

    Do you think I'm going too heavy? My shoulders are fine now that I've gotten rid of that nagging supraspinatus/teres minor inflammation or whatever it was. The back of my shoulders have always been very strong, btw.

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    Well, I've been doing that exercise for many years. It was shown to me in college by the trainer for the football team as I recall.

    Anyway, I'd like to hear Ano's view of that. I suspect it's a lot like stretching in a doorway. Some guys can do it and some guys shouldn't do it. :)

    But, I'll defer to Ano or one of the other guys with more technical knowledge of the rotator cuff.

    Interesting point of view. Thanks for the input.

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    That's not true.

    It depends on the elasticity/resistance of the tubing (they come in different colors), also it increases as a function of the displacement

    F=kx

    where

    F - the (resistance) force
    k - factor of elasticity (a property of the material)
    x - the displacemet, distance travelled

    Thus it's gradually increasing resistance.

    I am doing SHADOWING (imitation) of all major shots (FH, BH, serve), also swimming (butterfly) shadowing:

    2 series of 15 reps to the limit (I can't extend it any more), for each of the shots/motions

    in large amplitudes of motion.

    The weights are different in this respect: they apply the resistance to the joint instantly, while the tubing does it gradually.

    The latter is much better/healthier for the warmup and even in active training. Proof: I haven't seen tennis pros coming to the court with dumbells, but many have tubing.

    I simply do NOT believe the dumbells promote the joint flexibility to the same extent the tubing does.
     
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    I am no proponent for dumbell use on the court. And if you want some extra (read: low) resistance to help you warm up, go for it. But you said it was for "active training and conditioning". If you meant "warmup" then I (and probably many others) didn't get that meaning.

    "Conditoning" to me means off of the court muscle building and strengthening. I know of noone who has accomplished that goal with a single surgical tubing, let alone someone who has Nadal's arms.
     
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    I'll accept your definition and I will tell you that it can be used for conditioning. But I am not arguing that people are using it to the exclusion of other devices.

    The swimmers are using surgical tubing for decades for dry-land conditioning by shadowing their in-water motions.

    And some of them can develop pretty high resistances (say the black ones being marked "for bodybuilders," whatever that means). Just try them.

    And they are used both in singles or in pairs.
     
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