the best 10 series volkl

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  1. ericsson

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    of all 10 series of volkl i have to say the dnx series dissapointed me the most, the tour 10 gen I i found the best for me, i played them all except the c10 pro TOUR and c10 comp (the first edition) it can be me but i found the dnx has lack of the typical volkl feeling, strange, if i didnt knew they are volkl i wouldnt know. far different from my tour 10 gen I. and c 10 pro

    1. tour 10 mp gen I (such an allcourt frame and stable)
    2. tour 10 mid gen I (when im playing good ;)
    3. c 10 pro
    4. V-engine mid (little outsider but very good racket, little too demanding for my game though)
    5. C 9 pro nice racket but a little light for my flat shots


    thats just an opinion based upon my expierences with volkl rackets over the last years...
     
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  2. Amone

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    I felt like the V-Engine Midplus was really the best for the game I've been so lately growing into, the modern topspinning game. The open swing pattern, it felt so right for my game when I tried it out the other day, that I don't even know if I could indulge my desire for modification with it. Maybe a more polarized setup, test some design theories of my own... but not on the scale I normally would, I can say that. Great racquet.
     
  3. Django

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    Best -- Tour 10 Gen II, though many would say the C-10.

    Worst -- Catapult 10.
     
  4. MikeZee

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    Undoubtedly the tour 10 Gen 1 Mid.
    The VE mid is not too far behind. These two IMO are clearly among the best frames out there.
    I haven't tried any MP's...
    As for the DNX 10...well, I only hit once with it but I wasn't very impressed.
     
  5. louis netman

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    ditto the DNX disappointment...

    ALL TIED FOR 1st PLACE: T10 mp gen I & C10 pro & T10 mid gen I (when I'm playing alot)
    2nd: T10 gen II
    3rd: C10 PT (a bit of lumber these days)
     
  6. Django

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    Hardly mentioned 10 series -- the C10 Xtended, the 27.6-incher with the 18x20 ... the C10 Oversized ... and the ENTIRE Quantum 10 line.
     
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    tour10 mid gen1... this thing leaded up to 12.8 oz, with a gut job at 56lbs

    oh my, how in the world did Volkl build a racket this PRECISE ?? Forget about topspin 'modern' game... with this thing I can aim for 2 inches above the net, hit the ball real hard, land the thing within a foot from opp's baseline.... REPEATEDLY.
     
  8. s_andrean

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    I love my Tour 10 V-engine mids.

    Nice feel, quite stable, and yo can get a surprising amount of spin considering how dense the stringbed is.

    they are strong too, they take the abuse i give them, unlike my fischers :(
     
  9. jonolau

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    IMO, the Catapult 10 and C10 Pro are top of my list.

    But in retrspect, the question about which is the best 10 series Volkl is very subjective. Perhaps it might be more fair to classify them according to their strengths.

    1. C10 Pro/Pro Tour - Very nice and flexy frame. One of the most comfortable racquets in the 10 series. Has very solid feel on groundstrokes, nice touch on volleys and dependable on serves. An extremely dependable all-court racquet suitable to 4.0-4.5 and above.

    2. Catapult 10 - More reminiscent of a back to basics frame and has a low swingweight. Dependable all round racquet without the heft of the C10 Pro. Does not need as much speed on the swing. Suitable to 3.5 and above.

    3. Tour 10 VE Mid - A surgeon's scalpel. Able to place serves with pinpoint accuracy. Has a lot of control on groundstrokes and aids in placement of driving forehands. Very nice touch and control on volleys, and would rate it as the best for slices/spin. The demands from the frame can best be appreciated by 4.0-4.5 and above players.

    4. DNX10 Mid - One of the most demanding sticks from Volkl. A true player's racquet that would provide most joy to a 4.5 player and above who can make the most of the swingweight, heft and control offered by this frame.

    5. Quantum 10 - A great stick for mid level players 3.0-3.5 as an introduction to more demanding sticks. A slightly longer length, bigger sweetpost and more power from the Power Grommet system helps instil confidence whilst developing better strokes.

    6. Tour 10 X-tended - Plays just like the C10 Pro, but offers a little more on serves with the added 0.5". However, this then translates into a different feel on groundstrokes, which is best appreciated by those who swing wide.

    Just my subjective opinion.
     
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  10. TennisMD

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    Played with the C10 98, the tour 10 MP genI, V1Classic, the '95 version, The C9 and now the Gen II. I like the latter the best same sweet spot as the genI but better serving, very decent power and very very comfortable.
     
  11. gerrym40

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    Number 1 volkl for me is Tour 10 Mid (gen 1). It plays great with a lead tape on the sides of the racket. Especially with gut or a gut/syn combo.:)
     
  12. Field

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    Völkl Tour 10 MP (Gen I) :)
    It's such a magnificent stick ;)

    Field
     
  13. louis netman

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    Give me back 10 years and that would be the ONE :)!
     
  14. ace maze

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    I have 6 Tour 10's Gen 1 as I found the racquet to be excellent.
    Then I tried others such as Tour 10 V engine MP, and then Tour 10 Geb II.
    I did not like them as much as the Tour 10 Gen I.
    Recently, after reading reviews, I bought the Tour 10 DNX MID.
    ON the first hit I found the racquet to have a natural and excellent swing.
    It was not as soft as the Tour 10 but it had nice power, accuracy and excellent for serving. After playing for a while with both, the DNX showed to me a worthy succesor and a progression from the T10.
    I changed.
    After using it for a while, when I wanted just for fun, to go back to the T10, the difference was noticeable and I suffered. My serve was not the same, in pace and accuracy and the other shots did not have as much pace and penetration. The difference was sufficiently big to notice it.
    Now I have bought a second DNX Mid, as the Tour 10 felt short in some respects.
    I guess that if you are open to new things and once you get pass the initial differences during the first week, once you accept it and embrace it, at the end proves to be a natural progression and a better racquet.

    J
     
  15. BounceHitBounceHit

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    Tennis MD and other fans of the Tour 10 GenI's: do your Tour 10 Gen I's have the word 'Tour' written at the top of the hoop in black or red lettering?

    I am told by NBMJ that the earlier frames swung heavier and had red lettering.

    I'd love to have one of the later, lighter swinging, black lettered frames to demo. ;)

    Best,

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  16. BounceHitBounceHit

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    If you'd like to trade some of your Tour 10 MP Gen I's for some DNX 10 mids in great shape, drop me a line!! ;)

    CC
     
  17. lcw

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    The DNX10 MP is my favorite. I didn't like it at first but after a while it responded well to top spin, flat shots, slices and what ever I tried.
    Give the racquet time and it will reward you well.
     
  18. TennisMD

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    Craig Clark:

    Hmm, my tour 10 mps have tour written in white and the mid plus is in red. I prefer the GenII because of the lighter swing weight.
     
  19. jonolau

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    Craig,

    How many DNX10 mids did you buy?

    Jon
     
  20. BounceHitBounceHit

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    Hi Jon,

    I always buy four of any frame I am seriously considering. This allows me two benefits:

    1. I can string them with assorted strings at various tensions to be certain that I don't pass up a frame I'd really love b/c it has the wrong string/tension. I think the (generally speaking) lousy string jobs in most demos makes their use more or less pointless.

    2. Because I like 17g strings, take a full cut, and use lots of topspin, I break strings like crazy (a set a week or so). Therefore it is not unusual for me to go through two frames in a session (especially when hitting 5-7 times per week)

    Best,

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  21. BounceHitBounceHit

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    Mojo,

    Can you clarify this issue? I can't seem to find the e mail you sent me.

    Thanks,

    CC
     
  22. NoBadMojo

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    Hi Craig....AFAIK all the Gen1 frames had 'Tour' in white and 'Midplus' designations in Red. The early Gen1's had 'Quantum' on the throat area which was later changed to 'Tour'...all the exact same racquet

    Perhaps this is getting addled with the Gen2 frame. The early ones of those had 'MidPlus' designation on the upper hoop in red and the later and current version has it in Black. The early ones swung a bit heavier than the current

    My fav 10series frames are the Gen1, Gen2, 10VEMP, 10VEMid, DNX10Mid, and DNX10MP. The C10Pro is a terrific frame which just isnt for me because of the ultra flexy head. Of these, the Gen1 stands out most for me, but i could use the others well. The Cat10 was a good idea gone bad I think only because they used a different catapult device IMO, and I found the Quantum10 to be particularly demanding for a lighter weight frame (but I only hit the one version of it and not the other)
     
  23. BounceHitBounceHit

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    Yes! That was it. It was the 'Midplus' part that had different colored lettering.

    Thanks Ed.

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  24. jonolau

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    Wow, you are a perfect candidate to do home stringing. I'm sure you'll find great joy in toying around with your own stringing.
     
  25. TennisMD

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    Ijust purchased two new Gen IIs from TW, they were on back order so I assume they are the newest version and the MP is written in red. Maybe TW can clarify the SW issue
     
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    do your frames also have 'Generation II' and 'Precise Frame' (i think?) in the shaft area in kind of a hologram type of treatment? or neither? perhaps Volkl has changed the cosmetic coding again on this frame.
     
  27. TennisMD

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    NoBad:

    They do, also on the inner shaft it has Volkl and the fancy logo FIRE. Just FYI
     
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    Those sound like early cosmetic coding but i havent seen a Gen2 in several months...were the frames used or something? ..is there something wrong with the frames?
     
  29. ace maze

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    Craig,
    thanks for the kind offer. Unfortunately I live outside the US, so posting racquets makes the exchange too expensive.
    In addition, three of my T10's are pretty worn out, as they have been used extensively.

    Regards
     
  30. TennisMD

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    No the rkts are brand new from Tw, and are playing fine. Just responding to ? on new vs older forms of the rkt
     
  31. hoosierbr

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    Currently play the C10 Pro Tour. An incredible racquet that, alas, is getting too heavy for me to use consistently well. But a true classic.

    The C10 Pro is a great racquet too, another classic. Does everything well.

    The Tour 10 Gen II is another sweet frame. Huge sweetspot, very nice weight distribution and easy to swing fast. The shape of the head is a bit odd to me and as a result it played strangely. For me that is, I'm sure it doesn't bother others.

    The Tour 10 VE Mid is another great frame. If only it had an open string pattern!

    Wasn't impressed with the DNX 10 MP. Didn't like the feel. Solid, a bit heavier than the Gen II and good control. A good baseliner's weapon I think. But a solid frame nonetheless.
     
  32. BounceHitBounceHit

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    Yep! I've got an EAGNAS Hawk 850 and it does a pretty nice job. But as careful as I may be my jobs fall short of what my favorite local tennis specialty store can do on their Babolat Star machine. Best, Craig
     
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    Thanks for the response, and the honesty!! Best, CC
     
  34. BounceHitBounceHit

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    Did you try the DNX 9? Best, CC
     
  35. hoosierbr

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    Not yet. Waiting to hit the DNX 10 Mid and the 9, hopefully at the same time. TW rarely has both demos in at once so I'm thinking I'll hit them separately.
     
  36. BounceHitBounceHit

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    You are welcome to hit one of mine when you come to Nashvegas. CC
     
  37. BounceHitBounceHit

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    Actually I have a DNX 10 mid on hand too..............
     
  38. NoBadMojo

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    aye Craig..did you find you had to remind yourself that you have one of these? ;O

    how's my tricked up Gen1 treating you?
     
  39. FitzRoy

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    NoBadMojo, I've been meaning to ask you something about the DNX 10 Mid for a while, but haven't got around to it. This 10-series thread seems like a reasonable place, so here goes.

    TW lists the DNX 10 Mid specs as 340 gram weight, 331 Swingweight and a 12 pt headlight balance. If those numbers are accurate, I have a feeling that this frame might be a very good fit for me. However, I've seen it listed with slightly different specs from other retailers. My question is, do you have any information as to the accurate specs for this frame? I plan on trying out the frame either way, but any info on this would be appreciated.
     
  40. NoBadMojo

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    sure..i would go with these specs. they're from Volkl. i find them to most always be very accurate once their frames get into mainstream production. keep in mind that the strung specs if using poly would make for a higher swingweight, and slightly less headlight frame
    <snip>
    DNX 10 Mid
    Specifications​
    Head Size: .................................. 93 in​
    2 (600 cm2)
    Cross Section: .............................19 mm
    Length: ........................................ 27” (68.5 cm)
    Weight (Unstrung): ...................... 11.6 oz (330 g)
    Weight (Strung): .......................... 12.1 oz (345 g)
    Balance (Unstrung): .................... 1.3 in Head Light (31.0 cm)
    Balance (Strung): ........................ .0.9 in Head Light (32.0 cm)
    Swing Weight (Unstrung): ...........300 kgcm
    2

    Swing Weight (Strung): ...............325 kgcm​
    2

    Flex (Unstrung): ..........................61
    Flex (Strung): ..............................59
    Grip Sizes: .................................. 4 1/8” – 4 3/4” (sizes 1-6)
    Grip Type: ....................................DNX Grip
    Handle Technology: ....................Sensor Tour Handle System
    Frame Construction: ....................DNX Frame
    Frame Material:............................ DNX, Carbon-Graphite, Fiberglas
    String Pattern:..............................16 x 19 Dynamic Power Control Pattern
    String Tension:............................. 55 lbs. + / - 5 lbs. (25 kp + / - 2 kp)
    DNX 10 Mid Positioning:​
    With a 93 sq. inch head size and 19 mm beam, the DNX 10 is the tournament-level
    racquet in the Völkl line, with the highest level of control and precision. The idea
    behind the DNX 10 is to provide exceptional feel, due to a flexible, thin beam and
    a more open 16 x 19 string pattern, that will maximize the ball control of every stroke.
    With the incorporation of the revolutionary DNX material, the racquet attains the unique
    performance characteristic combination of a strong, yet flexible frame that gives the
    feeling of unrivalled performance.
    Ideal for 4.5 players and higher​
    ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! !
    ! ! ! ! !​
     
  41. hoosierbr

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    Sounds good, thanks. When I'm heading down there I'll have you send me an email so we can get in touch.

    I'm a bit apprehensive about the DNX 10 Mid as I'm not sure if I'll like the feel. I like the old school Volkl feel, that's what drew me, and I didn't care for the DNX 10 MP. But I want to like it b/c I need to find a new backup frame just in case as my relationship with Vantage is kinda borderline at the moment.

    Randy
     
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    Randy I think you were getting the double whammy with the DNX material and denser stringbed of the MP. I didnt particulalry like that combo either. I've found that denser stringbeds make for boardier stringbeds especially when strung too tightly and many people seem to string too tightly. I think that racquet would play best for most at low tension. I think the DNX10Mid is old school feeling with the flex and fiberglass in there, but think the term 'old school feel' is a pretty meaningless one. I really enjoyed the DNXMid and would have happily switched to it if the swingweight wasnt too high for me
     
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    That's a relief. Thanks. I have heard from others that it does feel quite comfy when you hit the sweetspot, which is supposed to be ample, and perhaps a little harsher when you mishit than with other Volkls. The tradeoff I guess of the new material - more solid frame but stiffer if you miss. I can live with that.

    I think the DNX 10 MP was a bit off spec as the demo I hit seemed heavier than it's listed. Still, I didn't care for it but that's not to say it isn't a good racquet. I'm sure it works well for others. I would guess it's a good baseliner's weapon.

    The "official" specs on the DNX 10 Mid look pretty close to the C10 Pro which is good. I loved that frame. Thinking I'd like to try sticking a leather grip on the DNX 10 mid if I like it enough to buy it and see what happens.

    Randy
     
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    NoBadMojo - Thanks for the specs, those are more in line with what I was seeing at other retailers as opposed to TW. It seems that Tennis Warehouse listed the unstrung balance of the frame as a strung balance, which accounts for the variance I was seeing. In other words, issue solved. :)
     
  45. BounceHitBounceHit

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    Mojo-nator!

    I absolutely love the modified T10 Gen I off the ground and on the serve/overhead. However it feels a bit 'muted' to me at net, and perhaps not quite as nimble as the DNX 9. I can most definitely crank the serve with it-I was hitting 118mph on flat first balls and getting loads of 'kick' on seconds this past Saturday! ;)

    I am leaning towards the DNX 9 at present, however. You may have seen that I learned to serve with it-I posted my newfound success in the original 'Yes, yet another.....DNX 9 Review!" thread.

    Hope you are well,

    Craig

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  46. BounceHitBounceHit

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    Yes, the DNX 10 mid is a VERY comfy frame. Just a smidgeon too high a SW for yours truly. CC
     
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    I think that is an accurate assessment Randy...the dnx gives you more of the juice in a still flexible package, but the downside is that misshits dont feel as good......you just never get the whole enchillada :O
    I think they will refine the DNX material or how it is used, and the next generation of DNX frames will be even better
     
  48. NoBadMojo

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    cool beans big server..you hittin your spots w. that serve? deep in the box?

    you will find that my new string setup (i think you are trying it?) makes the Gen1 hit less muted on all the shots including the volley (havent yet tried it in the DNX9). you've got a good problem here..you've got a couple frames you like which arent messin' w. your arm.

    i am well thanks..hope for you as well..best of the season. Ed
     
  49. BounceHitBounceHit

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    Yep! ;) I am really pretty accurate with my serve. I just got some more the Klip Legend gut and Isospeed in the mail today. Will string one of each frame With it in the next few days and report back.
     
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    Bought a dnx10MP recently but have only used it for four hours. Broke the string after about 1.5 hrs and then got it restrung w a cheap synthetic gut string strung @ 58lbs and it performs quite differently. It is definitely 'boardier' than before and I don't have nearly as much spin as in the first 1.5 hr. So I'm going with what was said before, it kind of needs to be strung a bit less tightly. I guess a thinner guage string would be nice too but that's for next time... Will go down to 55lbs perhaps and try to get a different string...
     

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