The best backhand ever?

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  1. BobbyOne

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    "Featherer": I think Rosewall would have good chances against Nadal on clay if both played with wood.

    The Rosewall at Wimbledon vs Federer against Nadal is a clueless comparison.
    Federer had his many chances against Nadal and did not realize a win while Rosewall was banned for 13 years...
     
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    "Featherer": I doubt that God will help me because I'm agnostic. (I doubt there is a God at all. I even doubt that Federer is a God or GOAT).

    I only get out of balance when reading the posts of the Federer fanatics...
     
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    I really like this list. However, I would easily take Murray's, Mecir's, and Wilander's backhand over guys like Lendl and Vilas. I think all three hand better return of serves off that wing, better passing shots, and better lobs. Maybe they didn't quite hit with as much pace as say Lendl (esp Wilander's) but I think their backhands were just more solid.

    I'm pretty sure if you ask guys like Mac, Edberg, or Becker if they preferred to attack Lendl's and Vilas backhand or Murray's, Wilander's or Mecir's they would prefer the former. Stich's backhand over Wilander's? Really?

    Mancini shouldn't be on the list at all. Yes he had a great backhand but it wasn't proven over time and pressure situations.

    Many consider Murray's backhand the second best in the world right now. To have him placed that low on this list is a huge disservice to this generation.
     
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  4. hoodjem

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    I wouldn't. I am a devoted Copernican heliocentrist.
     
  5. hoodjem

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    Djokovic's is terrific. Is Nadal's backhand as strong and reliable as Djokovic's?

    How does it compare to Murray's?
     
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  6. hoodjem

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    1. Rosewall
    2. Laver
    3. Connors
    4. Edberg
    5. Agassi
    6. Budge
    7. Borg
    8. Kuerten
    9. Djokovic
    10. Lacoste
    11. Safin
    12. Nalbandian
    13. Ashe
    14. Trabert
    15. Mecir
    16. Wilander
    17. Lendl
    18. Murray
    19. Vilas
    20. Kovacs
    21. Hoad
    22. Rios
    23. Orantes
    24. Tilden
    25. Kodes
    26. Stich
    27. Kafelnikov
    28. Costa
    29. Korda
    30. Davydenko
    31. Nüsslein
    32. Wawrinka
    33. Almagro
    34. Gasquet
    35. Becker
    36. Haas
    37. Federer
    38. Mancini
     
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    He was trolling. Nadal's backhand isn't close to theirs in general.
     
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    I loved her topspin BH, but she seems to have abandoned it in favor of the slice.
     
  10. forzamilan90

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    Nadal's backhand is nowhere near as good Murray or Djokovic's but it has definitively improved over the years. It's quite good nowadays, but the backhand is literary Djokovic and Murray's best shots, while forehand is Nadal's forte.
     
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  11. hoodjem

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    Djokovic's backhand has proven itself very reliable and a great weapon. (I believe that it is the best two-hander in the game currently.)

    Can we move it up a few spaces?
     
  12. forzamilan90

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    Don't have much viewing window experience but since 2000 from what I've seen his is the best double handed. I still think we should have two separate lists. One for one handers, and one for double handers.
     
  13. Anaconda

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    I still say Safin; I've seen him outhit Agassi, Guga and Djokovic on that wing.
     
  14. BER256

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    safin definitely had the best backhand as an offensive shot. defensively murray and djokovic have the best. I would give it to Safin though. THat jumping two handed backhand is beautiful
     
  15. MethodTennis

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    Djokovics and murrays are the two most effective in the world today. Maybe ever, who knows. Rafas is also pretty incredible
     
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    Guillermo Vilas.
     
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    Man I wish Safin had reached his potential..that backhand was a thing of beauty. I'd love to see what peak Safin with elite mental strength & focus would do in today's tour.
     
  18. hoodjem

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    Yep, I think someone did that.

    I'll look for it.
     
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    Best one handed backhand? easy...Alberto Mancini
     
  20. Anaconda

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    A severely past prime Safin (who was playing in pain from 05-2008) was able to straight set Djokovic at Wimbledon 2008 - the year Djokovic was clearly #2 after Nadal, and may say a tournament and a surface he was capable on. Safin on the other hand was ranked way down the rankings and was on a surface he never really was able to get used to.



    Safin nearly beat JMDP in 2009 (Delpo's best year) in his last match.





    Hoodjem's list is wrong. The game has moved on, you cannot say Laver or Rosewall's BH is better than Safin's, the fact he ranks Djokovic's BH ahead of Safin's says it all. The only BH that comes close is Agassi's and even then Safin was able to outhit Agassi on that wing many times. But hey, it wouldn't surprise me if Hoodjem thought Laver would beat Safin at US00 or AO 2005.
     
  21. Matthew Bance

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    would put
    1.jimmy Connors
    2. andy murray
    3. djokovic
    4. wawrinka
    5. nadal
    6. Federer
    7. Edberg
    8. nalbandian
    9. gasquet
    10. safin
     
  22. hoodjem

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    Nah.

    Laver was 66 at the AO in 2005. Safin would have won.





    :rolleyes:
     
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  23. BTURNER

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    Which Safin?
     
  24. Anaconda

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    None of those guys have better backhands than Safin. Are you on crack? Nadal and Federer? Gasquet? Seriously?
     
  25. Anaconda

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    Yeah, because that's what I meant. :roll:
     
  26. hoodjem

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    Moi aussi. :wink:
     
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    The names are there and of course, every body would have a different order.After all it is 38 players¡¡¡.But I agree in the top 6-7.anyhow, Fred Stolle had an excelent BH.

    Thanks God there is no Elsworth Vines in the list¡¡¡ His marketing Agent was good...BUT NOT THAT GOOD¡¡¡:)
     
  28. hoodjem

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    Whose on first?
     
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    Clearly Vilas.
     
  30. aer0pr0

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    lets be serious, the most beautiful backhand its definetly federer´s


    but the best, or most effective backhand its really hard to tell, but no way you can put some guys on that list. Imagine you put prime djokovic vs prime laver backhanding crosscourt balls, laver would not know what to do
     
  31. Flash O'Groove

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    In the same idea, you wouldn't compare Laver's backhand volley with Djokovic's, or Fed backhand smash with Djokovic's...
     
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    Get real. Yes, he would.

    Give Djoker a 70 sq. in. woodie, and HE would not know what to do. (He'd try, but he'd be shanking up a storm.)


    Novak Djokovic held it lightly, feeling the contours as if he were examining a T. rex bone at a natural history museum.
    To be fair, the Wilson Jack Kramer Autograph tennis racket is a dinosaur.

    "It's the first time in my life" to hit with it, said Djokovic, born in 1987, long after wood joined the museum shelves of tennis history. The fifth-ranked player in men's professional tennis who competes with a Wilson nBlade graphite racket added, "Now I realize how tough for the players it was 30-40 years ago to play."

    Players trying the old rackets felt they had less maneuverability with wood, which is 25% to 40% heavier than modern frames. In many cases, they were forced to alter their grips and flatten their strokes to hit the ball cleaner because the hitting area of the older frames is considerably smaller (80 square inches vs. 90 to 120-plus square inches).

    But a few players noticed more "feel" with wood.

    "I tried a drop shot, and I knew exactly where it was going to go," said Mike Bryan, who, with twin brother Bob, is part of the top-ranked doubles team in the world. "You can feel it all the way to your hand through the wood."

    "Definitely for the feel and touch, it's great," 10th-ranked Daniela Hantuchova of Slovakia said.

    But using the wood also led some to observe how much easier the game has become with today's technology.

    "You have to have very good technique to play with this one," Russian Kuznetsova said of the wood.

    "Technology can hide flaws in your game," Bob Bryan said.
    from http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/sports/tennis/2007-06-20-raquet-tech_N.htm
     
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    One of the best tennis historians in the world, Steve Flink, rates Djokovic's backhand higher than Laver's http://www.worldtennismagazine.com/archives/8687
     
  35. Nathaniel_Near

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    Relax folks, ...
    Let's be honest, you probably think Djokovic has the best forehand, backhand and volleys on tour, and is the best mover in history.
     
  36. kiki

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    Don´t know if the best, but the most varied is Laver´s.
     
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    Your post is off topic.
     
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    1. Graf
    2. Rosewall
    3. Wawrinka
    4. Gasquet
    5. CC Agassi(?)
     
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    Flink is an thoughtful and knowledgeable historian of the game. His list makes good sense, and appears well considered.

    He does not mention Laver who modeled his backhand on Hoad's and (in many opinions) improved on it, not with strength (impossible to do) but with variety. I do wonder what his opinion of Laver's backhand might be.
     
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    0. Wawrinka
    1. Rosewall
    2. Laver
    3. Connors
    4. Edberg
    5. Agassi
    6. Budge
    7. Borg
    8. Kuerten
    9. Djokovic
    10. Lacoste
    11. Safin
    12. Nalbandian
    13. Ashe
    14. Trabert
    15. Lendl
    16. Vilas
    17. Kovacs
    18. Hoad
    19. Rios
    20. Mancini
    21. Mecir
    22. Orantes
    23. Murray
    24. Nüsslein
    25. Kodes
    26. Stich
    27. Kafelnikov
    28. Costa
    29. Korda
    30. Davydenko
    31. Tilden
    32. Wilander
    33. Almagro
    34. Gasquet
    35. Becker
    36. Haas
    37. Federer
     
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    thanks for the link. I hope some of our younger brethren read and pay attention . there were challenges to be met every day, that they cannot comprehend. I would love a tournament with this.
     
  42. kiki

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    Martina Hingis BH was a wonderful shot.
     
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    Evonne Goolagong,Gabriela Sabatini,Monica Seles and Chris Evert are among the all time greats.Henin´s and Hingis too.
     
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    Ken Rosewall.
     
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    Vensai, I agree. After having beaten Rod Laver in the 1966 MSG final (6-3,6-3) World Tennis wrote that Muscles would possess the best backhand in the world, both regarding groundstroke and volley.
     
  46. kiki

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    After all those years and haven´t made my decision yet whether it was Rosewall´s or Laver´s ( never saw any Budge or Kovacs).

    I´ll probably decide it the minute before expiring.
     
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    kiki, It's really a tough decision. Hope you will not expire too soon. With whom should I discuss Roche and Fraser then???
     
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    At 97 there are some thoughts...
     
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    kiki, Stay alive! 97? A famous dutch actor and singer, Johannes Heesters, died not long ago at 108...
     
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    "would" or did?
     

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