The best backhand ever?

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  1. kiki

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    please, those sound on wikipostism, will you be so kind to writte down the source at the end of each post? or we can do some RSS with you'
     
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    abmk, A wonder has happened: You have done it: you agree with me in a point! Thanks.

    But even then you cannot avoid to annoy me a bit: Maybe Jean Pierre really did not watch Rosewall's slice (enough). But when I wrote "you confused" I did not mean it literally. I just wanted to express that his claim was wrong...
     
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    For pure hitting Agassi's backhand imo is better so in that way I agree but Djokovic can get more shots backhands back on return. And of course with Novak's greater mobility he can get more backhands back in rallies. You may be right that Agassi's backhand is better.

    I love Agassi's play but I must admit I was disappointed in his career because I thought he greatly underachieved based on what I thought was super talent. One of the best pure hitters I've seen, perhaps the best. I guess you can say he's the greatest tennis player who didn't like tennis that much. lol.

    To be honest I think I rate Sampras and Agassi where they belong. You just see the criticism but I have written articles praising them too. I just write my opinion of players the way I see it and what the facts indicate.

    For example with Sampras I do think part of the reason he didn't win the French was because of his thalassemia which affected his stamina and hurt him. I thought he was capable of playing fantastic matches on clay like in the Davis Cup against Russia. It was disappointing to me that he didn't win the French. But facts are facts, Sampras wasn't in his career a great clay courter although he did win the Italian.
     
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    I personally loved to watch David Nalbandian's double backhand. When he was playing really well, I believe he could do anything with his backhand playing offensively and defensively.
     
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    Orantes drop shot Bh
    Nastase´s passing shot when completely out of position
     
  8. NatF

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    He was a master of angles. His backhand dtl was one of the best I've ever seen. Up their with Djokovic easily.
     
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    I agree. As an offensive weapon I rate Nalbandian's backhand even better than Djokovic's. If only he had a work ethic like the top 4, how much he could have achieved more in his career.
     
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    Yes as a standalone shot Nalbandians is a touch better than Djokovic's IMO.
     
  11. kiki

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    Ashe had a pretty good Bh too.Much specially on the return of serve.
     
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    Might have to rethink my position on Djokovic's bachand it is on fire right now!
     
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    I dont know if djoko backhand is the best of all time, but it has is place very high in the list :)
     
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    I don't think it's the best either, but when it's on damn is it on.
     
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    I haven't seen Djokovic hitting his double backhand this well in a long time. You are right, it was on fire.
     
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    You see it's the smooth easy flowing power that Novak has on the backhand that I like over Agassi's. It is close and I not going to be upset if someone calls Agassi's backhand superior but overall I like Djokovic's. It's one of the finest backhands I've seen.

    Novak can hit better shots on the backhand from defensive positions.
     
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    Ashe's backhand was explosive. Incredible power and superior to his also powerful forehand.
     
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    and agassi's was more stable, could handle changes of pace ( including slice, junk etc ) much better

    obviously nole's doesn't exposed that way vs nadal ( like I said here previously nadal gives him the rhythm he needs unless he goes FH DTL often ...), but you can see him in trouble vs federer/murray when they slice/junkball him ...

    the only thing Nole has over agassi in terms of the BH is hitting on the run ....
     
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    Will you forget about proving so and so is better! Who cares! You think Agassi's backhand is better and I was explaining why I think Djokovic's is better. I also wrote if someone thought Agassi's was better it's fine. Let it go for once. My goodness it's just my opinion. I'm not trying to win a contest here. You win okay. Happy? I repeat, it's not a contest. We are not competing!! Repeat after me, it's a discussion with give and take.
     
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    I was just stating the reality.

    You stated one reason why you thought djokovic's BH was better. I stated two reasons why agassi's was better, both reasons which are by themselves more important than hitting on the run.

    Its a discussion and I was pressing my point because I know and believe strongly that I'm pretty right on this. Its not my fault if you can't deal with it.
     
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    I wasn't talking about Sampras' CC ability at all. I was referring more so to examples like your posts talking about his % of match wins etc when comparing with Borg while not giving much importance to Sampras being YE #1 and having more longevity in comparison.

    As far as agassi is concerned, this BH comparision with djokovic is one example, another was comparison of his returning vs Chang based purely on numbers , not taking into consideration :

    a) chang never even got past the QF of wimbledon. So his return wasn't even tested on the biggest/toughest stage to return

    b) chang faced a clearly lesser % of top players than agassi did

    c ) the eye test/testimonies from the players who played them.

    I mean did sampras beef up his 2nd serve because he feared agassi or because he feared chang ?

    why was stich rendered so helpless vs agassi ? jeez, could it just be agassi's returning ?
    ditto for becker, only to a lesser extent ....
    chang OTOH was getting blown away by becker even on clay.

    I mean I could understand taking connors over agassi , but chang over agassi , come on !
     
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    Well...if we are including everyone my top 5 list would be...


    1. Novak

    2. Warinka

    3. Gasuet

    4. Chatt_town<they took all my youtube videos down>lol

    5 Federer or Sampras(toss up)lol

    Seriously, I'm a big fan of the one hander but watching Novak just push Nadal all over the court the way he directed his backhand up the line at will...he clearly has the best one I've ever seen...and Warinka is a close second.


     
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    With your breadth of knowledge (fortunately, it would seem to me that there's 2 standouts) taken into account and for good measure...I'll have to start digging about Laver and Rosewall and decide for myself.
     
  24. pc1

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    abmk,

    You seem to have an obsession with making everything into a battle that you must win. This is not about winning. It's a discussion.
    You also seem to state often that what you write is a fact when it's just your opinion. There is a difference.
    Opinion-noun
    1.
    a belief or judgment that rests on grounds insufficient to produce complete certainty.
    Fact-noun 1.
    something that actually exists; reality; truth: Your fears have no basis in fact.



    If I said I like the color blue and you like the color red. You would probably turn it into a battle on why red is better than blue. It's an opinion. Right now there are no facts supporting these things. It's supposed to be fun.

    I'm not going to let this get into a abmk/BobbyOne type neverending battle. I'm not discussing this anymore. It's gets ridiculous after a while.

    End of discussion. You win.

    In any discussion in which you try to interject your opinions in the future I will concede on all your points. Or I may not reply to it at all. The problem I have is that you often don't discuss but try to just show you opinion is supposedly fact or 100% correct when they may not be. And to be honest I often agree with your points.
     
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    The reality.

    The reality??

    Reality. What is reality?


    Wow! I am impressed: we are now engaged in a discusssion of metaphysics on TT.

    In metaphysics, is there a correct?
     
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    With different POV, no one has the right/wrong answer because they are all opinions, that's why the poll is use to solve the problem. Majority will determine who wins.
     
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    Sure, Vladimir Putin.
     
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    Djoker may end up with the best two-hander ever IMO. Technically flawless and he is the only guy that can climb the ladder against Nadal's crosscourt forehand and crush the ball.

    I had Connors in front of him, but that was because Jimmy was a freak. He was the father of the two-hander as a weapon with that tricky racquet with the sweet spot maybe the size of a tennis ball and a half. He would frequently move in and take the ball out of the air 10 feet in front of the baseline and just rip it. Different eras. Two of a handful of two-handers I like to watch. Murray is another.
     
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    It isn't purely opinion here. We're evaluating the strength of the strokes of two players. It has to be based on their play.

    Wouldn't you interject if I said Connors was a better player than Borg , for instance ?

    Notice I haven't said a word about you liking Djokovic's BH over Agassi's ... that's your personal preference.
     
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    Best lefty BH open times?
    Laver,Connors,Vilas,Orantes,Nadal
    I wonder whom I left out
    Mac could make this top five but not too sure
     
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    Best lefty FH open times?
    Laver, Gomez and Nadal for sure
    My next two could be Roche and MC Enroe
    But Pilic and Vilas have a case
     
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    Hmmm. I wonder if there is a coincidence here?.!
     
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    Yes, and what a coincidence¡¡¡
     
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    Laver, that pusher? How can his backhand and forehand be among the best for lefties?

    Actually Connors' lefty forehand was pretty good too even though it was inferior to his great backhand.
     
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    Yes, me stupidly forgot Connors.Like Mac, both had very good but different Fh.Jmac´s BH was more reliable than his Fh, IMHO, while Connors Bh is an all time great stroke, however, specially when he was on, his Fh could also do some dammage, as Borg himself experienced in the 76 USO final or in the 77 Masters final.

    Connors trouble came when someone like Ashe or Orantes hit an extremely low sliced shot into the middle.But when Connors could take advantage of someone´s power, like Lendl, Smith,Newcombe,Laver it could be a very proficient shot.

    I was thinking of the really good lefties ever since 68.I am sure I forgot a few ones,but certainly not Ivanisevic.yes, he could hit a big Fh but most often he would miss the shot.

    Gomez is another great one, IMo, he got one of the best FH strokes , just right behind Lendl.

    Pilic had a very solid FH shot, but he is a bit more a 60´s than a 70´s player.Taylor , a Pilic coetaneous could be dangerous with his tricky lefty Fh.He is one of the most deceptive players I have ever seen, but you had to take him very seriously ( ask Borg and Laver FI).Oh¡ another britton, Mark Cox and aussie Tony Roche.Both known for great volleying ability, but the foundation of their backcourt game was a great, top spin Fh.I have seen both live and their forehand could be a great approach shot.
     
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    You can't remember everyone. A lot of posters got mad at me once because I did some poll a few years ago (I forgot what it was about) and I think I forgot about Andre Agassi. Again I don't remember the poll but I think it should have been a no brainer that Agassi should have been part of the choices. That was a bad mistake on my part.

    I think (not sure) that during the commentary for a match between Connors and Lendl at the Tournament of Champions in 1984 that McEnroe who was visiting the television booth hinted that he thought his forehand was superior to Lendl's. That was in response to Arthur Ashe saying in so many words that Lendl had the best forehand in tennis. So you know at that time McEnroe probably thought his forehand was the best. Considering the year McEnroe had in 1984, maybe it was...that year.
     
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    Henri Leconte. Lefty with amazing hands and skill. Maybe the thing that separated he and McEnroe is Mac had a brain. Leconte might have had the best backhand volley of his era.
     
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    It's between Don Budge or Ken Rosewall. I suspect Rosewall had the better backhand, though Pancho Gonzales believes Budge had the better one.
     
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    Vensai, I agree with you. I think that Rosewall's backhand was more tested by his opponents (Gonzalez, Laver, Hoad, Newcombe and other greats) than Budge's was tested by his opponents like Vines, Perry and Riggs.
     
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    True, that is the one missing.He had a very good BH ROS, he could be very explosive and subtle as well.Good at the net, too.As you said, he only needed the right brain inside.
     
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    Well, it stands to reason that if you have a great forehand, a great backhand, and great volleying skills--you are bound to be a GOAT.
     
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    Fed's BH is too low in that list. His slice is one of the greatest of all time and that's part of a BH. Plus noone in that list had to bear the brunt of Ralph's moonballing and also this slow high bouncing era so I don't think you've factored that in your list.
     
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    Welcome Herr Goebbels.

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    " Repeat a very big lie million times until it becomes a truth"
     
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    And is there still a doubt he is the GOAT?
     
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    Was thinking of Leconte more today. I loved his game so much in high school, I unfortunately emulated it. Loved the open forehand stance that allowed you to make any shot at any time. I didn't understand at the time it wasn't smart to try and hit any shot possible at any time. That was Henri. For no reason on a big point, he would go for some ridiculous winner from an impossible position on the court. Very exciting player, but he seemed to enjoy pleasing himself and the crowd with his brilliance more than winning. Arthur Ashe was that way much of his career. Some of the all time talents like Nastase and Federer have also shown impatience bordering on "dumb tennis" at times born out of boredom.
     
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    One day he make every one and win the match easily.

    The next day he would miss every one and lose the match looking like a madman.
     
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