Discussion in 'General Pro Player Discussion' started by helloworld, Jul 19, 2006.
Who is the best server of all time ? IMO, it is Pete Sampras.
Goran had a great serve, but for my money Sampras used his serve as an offensive weapon to either win the point outright with an ace or a service winner, or to set the point up in his favor better than anyone else.
It's all in the head of player... sampras had better concentaration, but ivanišević had a better serve (technically)
From another thread, Federer only hit 5 double-faults on the way to winning Wimbledon this year. That's mind-blowing, it means in (at least) 2 matches he didn't even hit 1 double-fault!
If only juniors understood that having a reliable 2nd-serve was infinitely more important than having a 10% bomb on your first serve....
it's either federer or nadal... let's debate
Oh, he's just got a good angle j/k
(I can't believe you betrayed your username )
okay if we're talking all time, its frickin sampras. hes the only guy down 0-40 that i would still bet money that hes gonna hold that game. if you put a dime somewhere in the service box he could probably hit it. ivanisevic was ridic good (especially with that height advantage and lefty spin) but he didn't have the same mental toughness as sampras. sampras new when to use his serve, like a second serve ace down break point, not exactly what ivanisevic was known for, more like down break point hitting a double.
my vote goes to Pete Sampras
Well, I'd have to say Sampras and McEnroe. When McEnroe was on, his serve was absolutely deadly. He'd hit a can-opener to the ad court that had the returner in the seats trying to hit it back. It was so lethal because he had both tons of spin and lots of pace. The slice aspect gave him time to get into the net and use his amazing hands to put the ball away.
Yeah, more like the best double faulter of all time...
To be the greatest you have to be consistant.
The most consistant of all, the one that can make it happen when he needs a big serve is Pete Sampras. Then come "Boom Boom" Boris Becker, very consistant as well and quite powerful for the time. I would give the 3rd place to Ivanisevic because of his ace record. I would give the choloocat medal to Andy Roddick because he has the current fastest serve, but if he was the greatest he would use his serve and be at least in the top5 player.
Pete. Goran. Boris. Stich. Krajicek. Tanner. Roddick. Eric Korita. Chip Hooper. Steve Denton. Kevin Curren. John Feaver. Johnny Mac, Ashe, Smith, Nasty and Borg in a weird way.
And of course, a mention for the old dudes:
Pancho Gonzales' serve struck fear in the hearts of professionals.
Jack Kramer could nail a coin suspended above the net. And his second serve was basically unnattackable. Is that even a word? Unassailable, then. Okay, impenetrable.
But is that my final answer?
Big Bill Tilden gets ready to close out a match. He walks from the chair and smiles at the ballboy for whatever reason. Gets two balls, nods three times for three more pelotas. With five balls in his massive left hand, he steps up to the baseline.
Ace. 15 love.
Ace. 30 love.
Ace. 45 love.
Ace. Game set and match, Tilden.
He launches the fifth ball in to the crowd.
Greatest server ever.
Best serve, excellent guy division: Roger, Ashe, Yannick, Rafter and Edberg.
Best serves -- shorter guy division: Rod Laver.
In the olden days, it was 45....like on a clock face. 45 got shortened to 40.
These days, often 15 gets shortened to 5.
Why ain't nobody mentioning FEDERER??? I LOVE HIS SERVES!
Tilden certainly had the finest serve ever seen up to that time. For the greatest server of all time, on his day, I put my money on Ellsworth Vines -- very likely the most formidable "cannonball" in tennis history. Vines however was known for his inconsistency as well as for his power, so it might be inappropriate to dub someone the "greatest" who could not consistently summon his best.
They have clips of the serves of Tilden and Vines on www.histoiredutennis.com
in the biographie-section and the Grand Slam episodes.
Wow, Elly Vines. Good call. Skinny, lanky, looking guy with huge game. Michael Stich only with major league results.
I've only seen him on the Kings of the Court video. Great golfer as well.
I've got an old Wilson racquet that bears his name. It's got a screw loose. Literally. I'm scared to re-string it, but I swear I could hit a huge serve with that thing.
Yeah, me too, Lee. He was mentioned in post no's. 16 and 19.
Trouble is, Fedi brings so much to the court, his serve often is overlooked.
Maybe the best leftie serve was that of Neale Fraser. Hoad said, that it was better than Pancho's serve. I only saw him past his prime in the Wim doubles final 1973 with John Cooper vs. Connors/ Nastase. He was the best player on court and was never broken, although Jimbo and Nasty wer not exactly bad at the return.
Pancho Gonsalez had the best serve IMO.
Sampras -- perfect blend of power and control
Edberg -- fluid: spin and control
Becker -- huge kick and the boomer
Lendl -- big power and placement
What he/she said... Lendl's serve was mechanical (like the rest of his game), but I liked his precision power. Of the current players, I would add Federer to this list for his effectiveness with placement and mixing up speeds.
Yes, Lendl's serve was a huge weapon in his time. His racquet seemed very clunky and his volleys weren't great. His second serve was quite powerful and hard to attack. It didn't have as much kick/spin as other servers and probably less than McEnroe's. McEnroe had the huge lefty advantage on his serve, plus all the bite and pop he could impart on the ball. Toward the end of his career it wasn't enough to compete with quicker players. Federer's serve is similar to McEnroe's, except Federer's is more powerful.
Pete Sampras no doubt, although it took a strain on his back.
Sampras. The bomb first serve, and the just slightly less bomby second serve, with ridiculous quantities of heavy spin, that rarely if ever failed him at clutch points.
Goran Ivanišević: The greatest 1st serve of all time. At least, the best serve as a weapon.
Pete Sampras: The greatest 2nd serve of all time.
Richard Krajicek: The guy had it all
I'm surprised no one mentioned Michael Stich. So beautiful and yet, so efficient
Let's add some more:
Most intimidating serve: Ivo Karlović. The look on Haas' face while playing him on clay was priceless. You know you're getting lots of aces, and it doesn't matter if they're 1st serves or 2nd serves. It's just not funny when you're on the other side of the net.
Honorable mention to Chris Guccione and Joachim Johansson.
Best 2nd serve: Wesley Moodie. 100/110 mph serves, with a huge kick. Rarely double faults, and his height helps him a lot at finding angles.
Best Kickserve: Ivo Karlovic. The height of the bounce is just insane, and UNSEEN ever before. I saw a kickserve, on hard, that bounced OVER Roddick's head, and he's 6'2''. And the pace is amazing!
Fastest serve atm: Chris Guccione. Lefty, 6'7'', with bombs well over 140 mph. He had a 136 mph first serve AVERAGE on Davis Cup this year, and clocked at 152 and 154 mph as well in that match, ON CLAY, and 32 or 37 aces, I can't remember.
Best server below 6 feet: Daniele Bracciali. 130-140 mph blasts. Real bomber at 5'11''. Honorable mention to Thomas Johansson and Thomas Kiefer.
Best serve overall: Right now, it GOT to be Karlovic.
Absolutely bro'. Just perfect. I mentioned him in post no. 17.
How's it goin'?
BTW, good call on Bracciali, Thomas Johansson and Nicolas Keifer. Average height, but large serves.
I think Marco's got a big gun for a guy who is not very tall.
Sampras, hands down. Other guys may have been more dangerous when they were "on" but by that standard a guy like Petr Korda could be said to be the GOAT. Sampras' serve was money.
Ivanisevic is the best server. As for sampras, he is the second best.
best server right now is Karlovic.
Pete Sampras i believe has the best serve of all time, first and second serve.
The stats at atptour.com would seem to agree. Ljubicic is arguably the second best server.
too bad the rest of his game sucks - he's around 220 in the world.
John Yandell said that Sampras averaged 120 mph and 2500 rpm on his first serves. Thats's the best ratio of speed and spin, and that was the reason why Sampras hit so many unreturnable serves.
my top 5 in no particular order whatsoever: sampras, philippoussis, rafter, joachim johansson, ivanisevic
i have to say................elena dementiavalol...no easily karlovic.....and roddick
Sampras, Ellsworth Vines and I'll take Edberg's kicker.
I go with Steve Sampras too
This is one place, I'll give credit where it's due to Sampras. He definitely had the best serve, could get himself out of almost any situation with it, and was accurate with it.
No. Roddick is hitting 140mph first serves also with 2500rpm and hits far fewer unreturnables. The most outstanding features of Sampras' serve are disguise (down the T and out wide look identical until 2/100ths of a second before contact, different spins from an identical toss) and placement.
more than 1600 aces in 1996...
... goran of course !!!
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