The black drive +

Discussion in 'Racquets' started by Power Player, Mar 8, 2012.

  1. Power Player

    Power Player Talk Tennis Guru

    Joined:
    Sep 2, 2008
    Messages:
    20,203
    Location:
    On my iPhone
    Yes thank you, I have been saying this over and over and people still insist that their 3.5 level game gets super heavy spin only with full poly. It's crazy.
     
    #51
  2. Korso

    Korso Semi-Pro

    Joined:
    Feb 25, 2012
    Messages:
    636
    Location:
    Virginia
    Agree completley. Learning the right way to produce spin from a player's beginings is so important. Changing someone's seasoned mind frame is like pulling teeth.
     
    #52
  3. Fuji

    Fuji Legend

    Joined:
    Aug 30, 2010
    Messages:
    6,597
    But PP, I can only get my Nadal type reverse forehands going if I'm using RPM Blast strung up at 65lbs to control my huge amounts of power and spin from the baseline in my APDGT... the guys in my 3.5 league hit massive kickers and I really need to tame the ball.... ;)

    -Fuji
     
    #53
  4. Power Player

    Power Player Talk Tennis Guru

    Joined:
    Sep 2, 2008
    Messages:
    20,203
    Location:
    On my iPhone
    Lol..Fuji you get it man..you always make informative posts.
     
    #54
  5. Yourtenniscoach

    Yourtenniscoach Banned

    Joined:
    Sep 22, 2011
    Messages:
    324
    Just curious, what level player are you?
     
    #55
  6. ChicagoJack

    ChicagoJack Hall of Fame

    Joined:
    Aug 11, 2005
    Messages:
    2,273
    c;kjhvlkjohijo 10char
     
    Last edited: Apr 7, 2012
    #56
  7. tennistomcat

    tennistomcat Rookie

    Joined:
    Jan 29, 2006
    Messages:
    248
    I have been playing around with my friend's standard length black drive & loved it right away. It seemed like babolat fixed all that I didn't like with the previous versions - mainly the hollow feel & lack of touch. The racket feels very solid & the feel at net is better. I was just about to pull the trigger & buy it but thought it better to demo the + version just to know the difference.

    I've never played with an extended length racket before & there was some adjustment period but it still felt great right away. The main things I noticed were my 1st serve percentage was noticeably better & my 2 handed backhand felt even more solid & I felt alot more control in my shot placement. My 2hbh is my solid shot & my shot down the line with it is my bread & butter. I was confidently hitting short, sharp crosscourt, deep crosscourt, inside-out, & down the line back hands which I wasn't able to do consistently with the standard length. I'm still figuring out the adjustments needed for the net play but they seem minor & the other advantages will outweigh this.

    This demo was strung with wilson nxt so I'm eager to know how it'll play with my usual poly strings. I know powerplayer says it plays great with a multi but I'd like to see how it plays with my usual lux adrenaline or TF redcode - I can usually play with a full bed of any poly that is not at a high tension with no signs of TE.

    I agree with power player that the black drive + is a great racket - I tried going back to the standard length & wished I had the + again.
     
    #57
  8. Dgdavid

    Dgdavid Professional

    Joined:
    Dec 23, 2011
    Messages:
    1,011
    Location:
    Surrey, England
    This is very interesting because I bought a Pure Drive standard on Thursday liked it but am thinking I should have got the + or the PDR (or at least tried them first).
     
    #58
  9. Power Player

    Power Player Talk Tennis Guru

    Joined:
    Sep 2, 2008
    Messages:
    20,203
    Location:
    On my iPhone
    Tennistomcat we have similar experiences it sounds like.

    The regular pure drive is just too light and the SW is too low. The plus gives you more leverage and boom. I add lead at 12 and that's all I needed to do.

    Only reason I made this thread is because I feel like a lot of people may not know how great a plus length can be..especially when it comes to a pure drive or APDC.
     
    #59
  10. tennistomcat

    tennistomcat Rookie

    Joined:
    Jan 29, 2006
    Messages:
    248
    Appreciate the thread Power Player - glad I found it. I had stumbled onto the black drive + on my own & had been scouring the forums lately looking for any threads on ppl's experiences with the extended length rackets & how long it took to adjust to the switch. This racket is pretty expensive & Babolats rarely have any deals on them so I was nervous about dropping alot of change on something that may not work out.

    I feel that I'm solid from the baseline & pretty decent at the net but was looking for something that would help my serve catch up with the rest of my game - But was worried what may happen to my game with a longer racket. I only had the demo for a week & it felt great but sometimes you can't really tell until you put some serious miles on the frame. Threads like these help put me at ease but of course everyone has a different experience with the same rackets.

    I had a decent demo with the Vcore 100s & now it's sitting in the bag more often than not. I had a great demo with this racket so I'm hoping the outcome is much better - My new racket should be coming this thurs so i'm stoked to give it a rip.
     
    #60
  11. Dgdavid

    Dgdavid Professional

    Joined:
    Dec 23, 2011
    Messages:
    1,011
    Location:
    Surrey, England
    Hi Powerplayer,

    Since I have switched to the regular PD, just to be 100% sure I have rehit with a few of my other rackets and the bit above is my only niggling doubt about the PD standard. It is only an issue on my 1HBH which is still the area I prefer any of my Warrior 100, Vcore 98 or Dunlop Bio 200 over it. However, I like all other parts of the PD Standard above those rackets. I am also gradually moving to a 2HBH which I am starting to hit well but I have yet to use in a real match. It is a shot that I seem to need a bit more solidity in the racket to feel comfortable. In trying to keep the bits I like but address this, only two rackets are under consideration given how much i like the Standard: the PD Plus and the PDR (normal length).

    On the basis I can adjust to the other areas of a Plus length or PDR weight, do you have an opinion on which will specially benefit the 2HBH over an above the Regular (SW etc) and not unduly hurt my timing on a new shot in my repertoire?
     
    #61
  12. Power Player

    Power Player Talk Tennis Guru

    Joined:
    Sep 2, 2008
    Messages:
    20,203
    Location:
    On my iPhone
    David, you are all over the place so honestly unless you can dedicate 2 weeks to a racquet demo, I would not suggest trying an XL length. It is not something you pick up and just start crushing with off the bat. It takes some time, and most likely you will not enjoy it immediately.

    As for helping with the 2 hander, I believe it does. It is a tough call for me since I grew up playing standard length, and have gone back and forth on what I prefer. I am so far extremely happy with the +, but considering buying a roddick as well to give it a go and see how I play with the heavier weight.

    It's a tough call to go standard or + honestly. They both have their benefits.
     
    #62
  13. Dgdavid

    Dgdavid Professional

    Joined:
    Dec 23, 2011
    Messages:
    1,011
    Location:
    Surrey, England
    Thanks PP, since that request I have decided not to go Plus length. I do normally demo for at least two weeks unless I hate it. Had the Warrior for 10 weeks, Played with PD Standard every day for over a week and now played 10 sets with Six.One with another week to go. I think I have narrowed it down a lot actually! Asking questions and doing desk research doesn't mean I am buying them - I hope to get a feeling from other posters I see a lot before short listing rackets to demo. I have not bought or demoed the Formula 100, V1, PD+, Pro One etc despite asking about them. In fact, apart from the PD and 6.1 demo, I have only recently been rotating rackets I already own or in some cases, trading rather than selling rackets.

    I say this because I have sensed an implied critisism in two or three of your recent posts to me which don't seem to be given to at least two other ever present posters who are trying as many (and actually maybe more) rackets than me. This is a worthwhile process for me. Even if I end up back where I started with the Prestige, it will have been worth it if I am settled with it.
     
    #63
  14. Dgdavid

    Dgdavid Professional

    Joined:
    Dec 23, 2011
    Messages:
    1,011
    Location:
    Surrey, England
    I will add that the above does not mean I am not grateful for your responses to date because I am and they have been very useful including a more pressing need to make a final choice. If I am wide of the mark in my second paragraph above, then I apologise in advance.
     
    #64
  15. Power Player

    Power Player Talk Tennis Guru

    Joined:
    Sep 2, 2008
    Messages:
    20,203
    Location:
    On my iPhone
    Not at all. I just am saying you seem all over the place in terms of trying out sticks in terms of stick type and possibly a little play style, which is fine. It just will make you insane if you tried a +.

    the 6.1 is an amazing racquet. I play 4.0-5.0 players and I have beaten down some 4.5s with that stick and lost to others with it. In my opinion, the Prestige and 6.1 are rather advanced sticks that deliver better if you play collegiate or open level.

    If you are playing 4 times a week or less and considering a 2hander, you may want to focus in on 98-100 size heads.
     
    #65
  16. Dgdavid

    Dgdavid Professional

    Joined:
    Dec 23, 2011
    Messages:
    1,011
    Location:
    Surrey, England
    I must admit, the 6.1 is on the edge of that category of sticks that are great when I am really on my game (and then a dream stick) but if I am not having at least an 8/10 day, it can feel pretty unforgiving. All the nice comments on the 97/98 sq inch head Pro One, 200 Max etc are making me wonder too. Slightly bigger head, slightly lighter weight and SW but more controlled and 'robust' than the tweenrs. I know I like a slightly heavier stick with some mass.
     
    #66
  17. Power Player

    Power Player Talk Tennis Guru

    Joined:
    Sep 2, 2008
    Messages:
    20,203
    Location:
    On my iPhone
    If you like the prestige, I'd strongly suggest giving the IG Radical Pro a run, since it has a beefed up SW and many hardcore holics are digging it.

    Another frame being loved on is the Yonex Vcore 95 if you want to stay in that headsize.

    As for me, I love the versatility of the PD series.
     
    #67
  18. Byakuya

    Byakuya Rookie

    Joined:
    Oct 2, 2006
    Messages:
    367
    How do the Black Drive, Black Drive +, and Pure Drive Roddick all compare?
     
    #68
  19. Dgdavid

    Dgdavid Professional

    Joined:
    Dec 23, 2011
    Messages:
    1,011
    Location:
    Surrey, England
    I own (but selling) two 98Ds so the 95 is a possibility. Not convinced the IG Rad will be better for me than the 6.1. I had it for a week at the same time I tested the Exo3 Tour 100 and PMP and the latter was my preference so I didn't get much time with it. I hit with last year's model (Youtek Rad Pro is a 100sq inch not 98) and it seemed very flexible but quite nice especially on depth and spin.

    BTW, what are you thinking the PDR might give over the PD Plus?
     
    #69
  20. Power Player

    Power Player Talk Tennis Guru

    Joined:
    Sep 2, 2008
    Messages:
    20,203
    Location:
    On my iPhone
    I'm talking IG rad pro and it is indeed 98.

    The pdr is basically an easier to use 6.1. What it has over the stock pd is weight and power for a heavy ball.
     
    #70
  21. Dgdavid

    Dgdavid Professional

    Joined:
    Dec 23, 2011
    Messages:
    1,011
    Location:
    Surrey, England
    I know that. I tried the IG Rad (98 ) with the PMP and Exo3 but tried the non-IG Youtek last week which is a 100. Youtek non-IG felt flexier and a bit more forgiving but no other real comparison. Barely 3-4 sets with IG, just a knock up with non-IG.
     
    #71
  22. Power Player

    Power Player Talk Tennis Guru

    Joined:
    Sep 2, 2008
    Messages:
    20,203
    Location:
    On my iPhone
    Did you try the ig rad pro or just the regular?

    The yt rad pro was a beast but swing heavy after a while. It is the stick under sharapovas paint job.
     
    #72
  23. Dgdavid

    Dgdavid Professional

    Joined:
    Dec 23, 2011
    Messages:
    1,011
    Location:
    Surrey, England
    Both were the Pro versions. Never hit with the IG Radical Midplus but interestingly, when I was asking about a bit more spin friendliness than the IG PMP without losing too much control, it was the IG Rad MP that kept coming up. I guess because it was also 18x20 but lighter (although SW is listed heavier than the PMP). I ended up going to the Warrior via the Prestige S and Rebel 98 (following Jack's journey at that point).

    Also tried the IG Rad Oversize and had nothing bad to say about it except I felt a bit of a berk at the club with an OS! Hasn't stopped me getting two cheap POG OS rackets though!!
     
    #73
  24. levy1

    levy1 Hall of Fame

    Joined:
    Jun 12, 2008
    Messages:
    1,546
    Location:
    Columbus Ohio
    I bought. A matched pair and was able to get 324 SW
     
    Last edited: Sep 9, 2012
    #74
  25. RackofSlamb

    RackofSlamb New User

    Joined:
    Aug 23, 2012
    Messages:
    76
    I put a full bed of RPM blast 16 at 58 lbs in this racquet and it is pretty hard to handle in my opinion, maybe I just need getting used to it, but I am probably gonna try a hybrid, i was blasting all my shots waaay too deep
     
    #75
  26. RackofSlamb

    RackofSlamb New User

    Joined:
    Aug 23, 2012
    Messages:
    76
    also has anyone had any success with dampeners on this racquet, maybe ill try that first before i go hybrid, not sure how much it will help but what the heck worth a try
     
    #76
  27. monomer

    monomer Rookie

    Joined:
    Oct 17, 2011
    Messages:
    252
    Which 6.1 are you referring to?

    I had posted about how much I loved the Youtek Prestige Pro after trying so many different racquets. After some time with it I am now finding that it is not forgiving enough for me when I am playing a good player. I have been using the Pro Staff Six.One 100 for a few weeks and it seems to have all the things I liked in the Prestige and none of the downsides. It has the same rock-solid feel and control but definitely is more forgiving. It is lighter which is a plus to me as I am able to lead it up and keep it somewhat easier swinging than the Prestige.

    The 6.1 100 doesn't feel bigger than the Prestige to me because of the head shape. It is slightly longer and narrower than a typical 100.
     
    #77

Share This Page