The brand new wilson 6.1 team 16x18

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  1. Power Player

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    I did not see much info on this stick. As a 6.1 16x18 user i am intrigued.

    As of right now, tw does not have it posted, but twe does.

    They claim it is 10.9 unstrung, 338 sw, 9 pts hl balance, 67 flex.

    People demoing the black tw test version said 10.9 strung, balance of 2-3 pgs hl.

    Most said it played great for being so light.

    Anyone played the official version yet? Love to see how it compares to the mighty 6.1 95.
     
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    The racquet on teh TWE site is simply labeled as Wilson 6.1 95 BLX (309). Not at all sure on this, but I suspect that is the "Asian" version of the racquet (though now obviously also sold in Europe). The Asian version is 309 unstrung, swingweight should probably be in the 326 -328 region, stiffness 67. Details on TWE website match this except for the swingweight.

    The 6.1 95 team version weights 289 gr unstrungs, 305 strung and is 1 pt HL according to Wilson's own website.
     
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    Ahh..that asian version is awesome. It is what the team should be.

    Looks like the US version needs more lead.
     
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    Hey 2P, I was one of the people who playtested it. It played absolutely awesome with full alu. Serves were amazing. The weakest point for me was slice. Great great frame...
     
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    Hey I got this advice today.

    "Wilson released the 2012 version as an 18x20 model for Canada and Europe only.

    I don't know the exact reason for the change. I have a
    feeling the 16x18 did not sell well in the US and they decided to go in a different direction.

    The 18x20 did great in Canada, so I am happy that they didn't change it for us this year."

    So, only in the US can you get this 16x18 version of the BLX six one Team - is that correct?
     
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    Exactly PP i would love to demo the asian version of this racket.
     
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    They need to split the difference and make it 16x20 or 18x18. :D

    I did hit with the K Factor version of the TEAM w/18x20 and thought it was a great racquet with a nice blend of power and control. For a Wilson the 18x20 string spacing was open enough top generate a good amount of spin. The spacing on the regular 6.1 18x20 is a lot more dense.

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    I had a K6.1 16x18 and though it was too heavy and stiff for my puny frame nevertheless I got maximum fun out of the 16x18 stringbed - in a 95 it was brilliant.

    It seems US is the only place with the 16x18 variant...?
     
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    A stringbed of 16x18 in a 95 is a good thing for more spin.

    The weight of a bigger brother 6.1's is not to be found in the Team version, true, so there's less plough-thru, but there's still more spin.

    The 18x20 blx was low-powered, I guess a more closely spaced stringbed offers less power because there is less snap back by those more densely-packed strings?

    A friend has one and he has to swing big on everything.

    However the power map of the new one shows a very generous stringbed with good access to power and particularly in the sweetspot (with greater potential power than some other 100 sq in racquets) dropping off sharply of course to the edges (it's a 95) after all.

    So does a 16x18 stringbed offer greater power due to... string spacing and the snapback effect?
     
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    It also seems that the balance of the new BLX 6.1 Team has changed from the previous version. The new one feels more headlight and accelerates through the hitting zone faster.
     
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    Hey hi etd

    You made a comment here and over on the BLX Pro Open racquets thread as well - definitely the two racquets I am interested in and trying to find out more about.

    It is difficult and expensive to test racquets here (no racquets in post, $10-15 per test) so I trawl racquet threads trying to find out.

    Have you hit with the new Team in 16x18 or 18x20 version?

    Amplifeel... I guess did it? Amplify the feel?

    Power level - less than/more than the previous BLX version?
     
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    Actually from reading that the pro open is way more forgiving. I looked at those charts a few times and that is actually a pretty significant difference if you look past just the Middle sweet spot, which no on here hits over and over again. The worst way to read those charts is to just focus on that middle spot because it wont tell the whole story.

    I definitley considered this stick, after all I did make the thread, but decided on the pro open in the end. The feel, power and control hooked me.

    This stick and the tec 295 though...now that would be a tough decision!!!
     
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    Yeah agreed the way the power drops off away from the sweetspot is a pretty good indicator of where your technique better be - accurate.

    Yeah I am considering the PropOpen (prev model) because I have been doing a stint with the Instinct and lo and behold have tennis elbow, after a bit of earlier shoulder pain as well. Ach, gotta watch those flex numbers too...

    Well if the Pro Open offers just more of everything then that cannot be bad! Do you have a 1HBH? How is serving with it, do you get good racquet head speed? And if so, then why not with this the slightly lighter Team?

    In other words what tipped the balance against the new Team for you?
     
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    I have a 2hbh. Serving with it is fantastic. Lots of nice power and spin. More than the Team.

    My logic was if I was going to go light. I wanted to go big with power and headsize. I figured going back to a 100 would help with this. What tipped the balance was I shank less with the 100, and I get much more power that I can control with spin. the control of the Pro Open is excellent for being such a power baseliner's stick.

    What sucks is the old version is now the same price almost as the new one.

    This bums me out..I feel like I did this to myself by posting about the racquet..lol.
     
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    Surely The Team swings through the air faster than the Pro Open 100 and therefore is a better server?

    Certainly all the playtesters in the links I gave above seem to agree agree that the Team is good on serve...

    I'd agree that on the numbers the Pro Open offers larger margin for error and belts the ball from the baseline better.

    Yet I wonder whether this latest 6.1 Team if strung low, let's say with gut, or some poly mains, wouldn't half deliver a fair bit of oomph.

    PP, I'd imagine your demo came with naff strings, so I wonder if with a good string job this frame couldn't be made to sing louder!/!?! :)
     
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    It would. Even with synthetic crosses and poly mains, pop improves considerably compared to full poly beds. A couple of grams of lead at the PWS and just above also improves things, without ruining the feel. A word of warning though - the more lead you add, and it starts moving away, very quickly from the feel and balance of the 'normal' 6.1 95.
     
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    bump...?...........
     
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    They really really liked it didn't they.

    Comparing to some of their other reviews (and given the caveat that they appear sponsored by Wilson) they couldn't really hide their enthusiasm I thought.

    If we peer beyond their real (or sponsored) enthusiasm I think I see the racquets (both stringbeds variations) produce some very nice hitting - yes they're good players, but compared to their other sessions I think they only looked better with the full-blown 6.1's.

    In other words the Team gave them a very solid hit - it looked like it did (hard struck volleys, plenty of power on the 1HBH).
     
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    I did not even think they may b e sponsored by wilson. Thats a good observation. I think you are right though, they both seemed to like it a lot.
     
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    I've seen all of Stringer's World Reviews. They are generally positive to all racquets. They say whether or not the racquets works for their game as well as listing what level and type of player it would work for.

    -SF
     
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    Yeah I got that impression as well. Anyone have anhy playing experience with this racquet? I would be coming from the N-tour which is similar in specs but I was just curious how it played as I have heard shady things about the previous blx six.one team. Any thoughts are appreciated!
     
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    A friend bought the prev blx 6.1 Team the black one.

    I had a hit and thought it very low-powered. I noticed it gave him very little spin, and required way too much of his game - he really couldn't pick up mid-court balls.

    But he had the 18 x 20 which btw is the only variant sold here in Australia. So that is the only one I've tried. I recall the k-version of the Team being execrable.

    I think if this new version finally shares any 6.1 DNA then taht is a good thing. That is what those reviewers seems to be saying - and if you watch the TW reviews of the full-blown heavy 6.1 you'll see Carol absolutely ripping with it and everyone pretty favourable about the "classic" feel of the racquet.
     
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    I did not realize that you guys did not get the 16X18. I heard the same thing about the old team as well. I may be getting it this weekend so I will let you all know what I find. Any other comments are welcome
     
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    Just got the racquet today to demo. I will be playing tomorrow and I will let you all know my impressions.
     
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    ok great, what's yr current stick/setup?
     
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    Ncode Tour (95) with a thin poly strung at 48 lbs. I am a 4.5 ex-college player.
     
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    You mean this one?

    If so, then same here, I also have two kTours.

    If this is the same as you then it makes perfect sense to be looking at this new Wilson Team - definitely some similarities.

    I cut my Tours down to standard length 27 inches. Done carefully and slowly removing the 0.25 inches was easy. I lost some swingweight, and some power, and probably some reach as well, however the racquet came alive for me and became more manouverable and responsive. Fast light manouverable 95s that punch above their weight to me spells good serving and being able to stay in the rallies against Babolat-blasting. That, I imagine is what this Wilson 6.1 Team represents when their power levels are compared the new Team compares favourably.
     
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    Yes that is the one. They are very similar and this is my review after my first hit.

    GROUNDSTROKES: FH was nice and whippy and I had no trouble getting spin on the ball. Compared to my Ntours this racquet has a lighter SW so I found that I could get a little more spin on my balls. The plowthrough was a little less on this racquet which is to be expected as it is lower by about 15 g's. BH felt pretty much the same to me and I actually really liked it for slice especially when I was trying to pull a ball back cross-court when being pulled wide to my BH.

    VOLLEYS:Volleys felt great and very solid. Funny thing was, I had it in my head that because it felt so manueverable I thought that it might be a bit flimsy in the hoop but I found that it was very solid even on hard struck balls.

    SERVERS: Unfortunately I did not get to serve with this racquet as I am still doing some rehab for my shoulder. I will be able to serve by the end of this week though so at that point I plan on giving it a spin.

    OVERALL: I can say right now that this is the kind of racquet for me. The plow on the regular six.one 95's is obviously better but it also weighs a ton more! I am a 4.5 player and am not afraid to say its okay to like a frame that is lighter and easier to swing. I know a lot of people really like the heavier players sticks but for me these type of racquets work great. Being on the shorter side (barely 5'9 and 145 lbs) I cannot swing a 12 oz 325+ SW racquet for a whole match. This racquet lets me take really fast cuts at the ball and with a little bit of lead I know this will be perfect. Overall, I like this racquet a lot.
     
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    Pardon my question but - what racquet have you reviewed here?

    Thanks...
     
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    Hey Bob, dmcb says in his post 30 that he is getting the subject racquet of this thread to demo and that is his review...
     
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    Good review, and thanks for putting it in your playing context - your level and characteristics.

    More spin less plow, yes this from lower swingweight - I guess the flip side of this coin is that there is more room for customisation - but it's typically what happens. That can mean that putaway shots come back when against a player who moves well (y'v done everything right and put the ball in their backhand corner moving away yet they still get to the ball because it seems to sit there forever just spinning in the air!).

    I like the idea that it slices well. This I think may mean it's a well balanced racquet and a thin but strong hoop is imparting real cut to the ball. Perhaps your volley feedback then backs this up because it didn't get pushed around. The hoop performs well. Does sound like it should therefore also go well on serve when it exhibits good control on slice and volley.

    The regular 6.1 95s are great sticks - yet demanding. The 16 x 18 k6.1 just bullied the ball yet would just be too heavy after hours in the sun I found. The Team will be a good alternative if it doesn't lose any of that 6.1 feel, and doesn't get pushed around...
     
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    I agree with all of that. I was playing against a fairly big hitter and I did not feel like I was getting pushed around so that bodes well for this racquet. I can tell you now that if I do get this racquet (I will be starting my job as a teaching pro in June and I will be endorsing Wilson so I will need a new stick from wilson's 2012 line) I will be adding just a little bit of weight, not much. I am not like most people on here who buy a frame for its lightness and then weigh it up to its heavier brothers specs, I think that is silly. But I can say that a little extra oomph in the hoop will do it wonders!
     
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    How would you rate the power you got out of it? Is it enough?

    Obviously string setup can influence a heck of a lot and where you to use it you would fine-tune, yet underneath it all you perhaps can tell if its got enough oomph.

    Have you ever tried a Prop Open ? (since obv we should talk Wilson if you are to endorse) That is the sort of racq that has all the power yet lacks the ball pocketing and smaller sweetspot that I look for and that I find communicates what on earth I am doing. I also find that it gave too much power that I couldn't control. Jeez it's a fine balance sometimes...

    ps. am really enjoying some BiPhase 18 gauge @ 46 lbs crossed with some cheap syngut in my kTours. Wonder how nat gut in the Team would go?
     
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    He does, my bad.

    Btw, I too playtested blacked-out 2012 6.1 Team :) I was very impressed...
     
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    I am using Pro's Pro Vendetta 18g at 47 lbs in the six.one team. For power I would say its good for the weight and SW but as I said before, I think that I would add a little weight just to give it that extra plowthrough. I think that it being so light it would be just fine when adding weight to the head so I am not all that worried to lose maneuverability. I have never tried the new Pro Open but I have used the older one and I was not a real big fan of it. I just seem to like the 95 in heads and relatively lighter racquets. Never played natural gut and personally I like the soft poly that I have.
     
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    Yes, I really liked it too especially coming from the Ntour. I tried last years model of the team and I really did not like it because of the lower power. I think that opening up the string bed really helps with power and spin. I think it could use a little weight, not much, just to make it plow through the ball a bit more. Overall though I really liked it.
     
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    I hear you. I was coming from 18x20 ~335-340grams racquets and I just couldn't believe how stable it felt. Eventually I added 2 x 1gram at 9 and 3 and it was just ridiculous how easy power came on serve.
     
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    Thats great. I just added a total of 8 grams @ 9&3 which has it at about 11.oz. I will play with it tomorrow and let you all know how it goes.
     
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    I just bought/traded for a new 6.1 team today. It's being strung now. And the crazy thing is, I haven't even demoed it yet. I have demoed the reg 6.1 95 and like everything about it but the weight, plus I used the old 6.1 blx team a while back and enjoyed that racquet a lot - just a little low on power. I'm predicting the new 16x18 string pattern will make it even better. Can't wait to try it!!

    I traded my new pd2012 for the 6.1 team. I'm done with the stiff power tweeners. I'm also playing with the Rebel 98 and like that racquet a lot. I'm hoping the 6.1 team has some of the same characteristics of the Rebel 98 (control and feel plus some pop). Regardless, I think it will be fun to play around with.
     
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    Played with the 6.1 team tonight. Liked it a lot. I can see where some might want to add some weight for stability and plow, but if you hit it in the center of the string bed it is not necessary - thats the key with this racquet. Power and control were good and it is comfortable - not too stiff, not too flexy. I liked serving with it the best. Spin and pace on serves where easy with this racquet.

    It is similar to the rebel 98 in that it is a light weight player type frame. The rebel has more forgivess and power due to the additional weight and larger head size, control goes to 6.1 team, feel definitely goes to the team.

    Overall I like it a lot and I think with more playing time it will only get better. I might toy with some lead, but I'm not sure I want to open that can of worms. I will weigh it tomorrow. Going by feel, i think it is already around 11.1 with overgrip and dampner, so it might be fine as is.
     
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    Woot!

    Now that is a bit of an interesting reaction!

    No not crazy, or at least if it's any support, I'm selling about 4 racqs in order to do the same. Like you I'll be ditching a PD-type racq in order to get with a punchy 95.

    Am the same with regards to the weight of the full 6.1, now I know Carol from TW handles it like a dream, but the k6.1 while heavy was also stiff, and with full poly it hit a heavy ball but was also too heavy and too jarring.

    I also tried the recent Instinct - also stiff and jarring. These tweener types are just too hard on the (older) elbow. And there's nothing like swinging full tilt with the smaller 95 head on 1HBH might I add.

    (Background of using the Radical, Dunlop 300g etc and currently cut down Wilson nTour, kTours.)

    Haven't tried the Rebel but is it basically a heavier Rad?

    ANyway, in the videos so far the Team seems to handle light but solid. There are a few too many groundstrokes left short making me think players might need add some plow (with lead) and TW is aiming to add their own video review - so I think this is an interesting territory - I don't know what it means but it looks as if manufacturers might see a niche...

    The way I see this niche is - light player's racquet but with additional power to match it with tweeners and just plain hard hitting.
     
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    a really nice one for cheap may be found in the "for sale section" !
     
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    Wrong grip for me (+ am overseas) - what didn't you like?
     
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    a guy in my league had one. hyrbid strung at 53 lbs and this thing felt solid! cannot believe the weight.

    maybe the TW page swayed me, but the power on this thing was consistent throughout the whole string bed. really really impressed. of course i'm sure it has to do with my affinity for racquets with an even balance.
     
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