The Church of Polystringism-- Alidisperanza's PT Thread

Discussion in 'Strings' started by alidisperanza, Feb 21, 2012.

  1. alidisperanza

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    I went with their standard string. I couldn't care less what color my strings are as long as they play well. Plus, changing dyes usually changes the playing characteristics of the strings.
     
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    Yup, that's true about the dyes, but some who have tried both colors preferred the black, so I was just wondering.
     
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    WeissCannon Black5Edge 17/ Gosen OGSM 18

    Ok, this is starting to get a little ridiculous. I popped this setup in 1 hour and 45 minutes...


    String: WeissCannon Black 5 Edge/ Gosen OGSM 18
    Frame(s): YT Radical Pro
    Tension: 52/55

    I had the frame open and some time to string so I figured I'd give the B5E another shot.

    Stringing:
    Cakewalk. B5E has low coil memory off a reel and Gosen is, as always, a pleasure to string. I strung this one my usual way because I only had 30 minutes until I had to meet my friend to hit. My suggestion to low tension players is to string B5E a little bit tighter. It simply doesn't have the elastic power of other strings and needs the the extra tension (imo). Although stiffer, I found a much better response at 52 than 48.


    Groundies:
    At first I did NOT like this setup in the least. I was ready to cut it out after 20 balls. B5E felt stiff and plasticky-- directly the contrary to everything I know about WeissCannon strings. I was almost ready to give in and toss this string out the window. After about 30 minutes of hitting, the strings started to loosen up a bit and played much, much more comfortably. I guess I was expecting spin potential equal to the full bed of B7 I was playing and was sorely disappointed. Once the string settled, and I started torquing into the ball, I found the hit to be much more pleasant. The best way to describe B5E is as a "control string." It is low powered and muted as far as strings go.


    Serving:
    Eh, I'm spoiled. Either I've been serving with gut/poly or softer lower tension co-poly. This is a much firmer string bed. Control is there so I can hit the spots that I want but it doesn't do anything particularly well.

    Volleys:
    It does what it should. Again, no pop, just control. For someone who'se a better volleyer, I can see this string working well. Since I'm not particularly adept at hitting angles, there are definitely better setups for for me. Dwell time is near none on the string bed and the ball snaps off with a ping.

    Tension maintenance:
    The first 30 minutes were miserable (granted, this was pretty fresh off the machine) but the string played much better once it settled in. Can't tell you how well it played over time because it popped.

    Durability:
    Three words... What. The. HELL. This is a record for me popping polyester. 1 hour and 45 minutes and I didn't even pop the 18g crosses! It must have been excitement over the good weather because my hitting partner and I were hitting the ever-living-crap out of the ball; even so-- the string should not pop that fast!!!

    I'm officially done with 17g strings in this frame...


    Groundstrokes: 3/5 Control, control, control
    Serves: 3/5
    Volleys: 3.5/5
    Spin: 3.5/5
    Power: 3/5
    Comfort: 3.5/5
    Tension: N/A
    Durability: 0/5

    19.5/35
    I will NOT be playing this setup again...

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  4. mixedmedia

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    You mutilated that string pretty thoroughly. 16g in the future, I guess. I too did not like the feel of B5E.
     
  5. pvaudio

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    Are you sure you're not notching the string while stringing? I'm not talking about your technique, I'm talking about the chosen cross. Bad durability is popping synthetics in a couple hours. Breaking a 16Lg poly in under 2 hours is very abnormal. I have a suspicion: string again, but use a thicker cross instead. OGSM 18 is 1.15mm and not smooth, so it'd likely notch into B5E fairly readily. The reason I think that is the way it broke. It did not simply snap, it was halfway notched and then it snapped (look at the top part of the broken main).
     
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    Yeah, I'm sure. Ever since I started stringing gut years ago, I make certain not to damage my crosses nor burn my mains when pulling. I never rip string through a bed and always fan. I also string with a crank and pull crosses slowly so that they can adjust into position (with a little convincing from my fingers as well). It minimizes the friction and eliminates smilies.

    OGSM isn't quite poly but it's not exactly rough either. I've played poly/ogsm in different gauges multiple times too so I'm fairly familiar with the combination. Typically, the softer string takes the brunt of the beating and while the main is the one that popped, the aforementioned is visible in the thinned out crosses in that section. I saw the strand hanging off too but I don't think it's terribly abnormal. I've noticed that trend with the softer strings. I'll try to take a picture tomorrow but all of the mains in the area are pretty heavily notched through.

    To be fair, today was an abnormal hitting day-- my buddy, although not always consistent, hits a very heavy ball and for some reason we found a rhythm and were pounding 20 ball rallies back and forth as hard as we could. That particular pace didn't stop for the duration of the strings; it was unbelievable.

    I'm also going to attribute my decrease in string life to two other major factors: the 16x19 pattern and the general change in my stroke. Since I've always played 18x20 patterns in small frames, I've never had need to shift strings back into place. Now, I'm finding I have to but often forget or simply don't care enough (this was very prevalent with this setup). I'm guessing that could take an extra toll in sawing the mains. Also, I'm no longer trying to wrist over topspin but stepping into the ball and trying to work my footwork so that I can better torque with my hips and shoulders. The change in stroke is incredibly noticeable resulting in a much more penetrating ball that reaches the same vertical height. Unfortunately, I think it's taking a toll too since I was able to pop a friend's frame with some used-ish multi too haha.

    Oh, and PV, I'll definitely try it with a thicker cross; just not with B5-- I definitely agree that the thinner gauge resulting in smaller contact area is going to increase the force on the mains. I left what I wrote above intact but I think my brain is starting to register what you meant. Pardon my retardation-- it's been a long, long day.
     
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    I also think that the 18g Sheep is eating the mains.
    Try it with 17 or even 16g syngut.
    Personally, I'd only pair 18g syngut with really thin poly like Lux BB Ace 112.
     
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    Just some video of 2 service games with a few friends messing around in the dark @ my local high school. Between the "bats" and the shanks, we had some good laughs. Hitting back and forth is do-able but anything involving serving or volleying is a disaster haha.

    Jericho @ night
     
  9. alidisperanza

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    Some more pictures from last night's disaster...

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    Wow, something does not seem right. That is what my B5E looks like at the 15 hour mark. I can break some multis in just a few hours so I'd consider myself a string breaker. BTW, I use the B5E mains with Genesis Thunder Blast. Lemme know if you want to try a half set and I'll send some your way in the interest of testing.

    Maybe it is just the picture, but the cross string looks thicker???
     
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    I'll take a caliper to it right now.

    1.17 average on the frame.
     
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    But alas, I was right. The issue here is notching (no poly should be notched after an hour), and the B5E is seriously notched. As I said, I wasn't saying your stringing was the issue, it's the thinness of the cross. It chomped right into the poly.
     
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    I don't know why, but in my head I keep hearing "Jericho at Night. Rated R." It sounds like some sinister horror or thriller movie haha :)
     
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    Yeah, basically. It doesn't quite show here but the OGSM is fairly well worn through too. If the B5E didn't pop, the crosses would have in about 30 mins.

    Now I'm starting to wonder about a customer I have that plays a Ti S6 with a similar setup. How is he going for months without a restring?!

    @ Mikeler-- PURELY in the interest of testing, I'll try it out. Shoot me an e-mail :)
     
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    I'll shoot you an e-mail probably tomorrow morning about sending you some Thunder Blast.
     
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    WeissCannon Black 5 Edge 17/ Wilson Super Spin 16 Black

    Since I don't want to run through my stock of B7 and I had half a set of B5E lying around from previous stringing escapades, I decided to give it another shot; this time with a 16g cross.

    String: WeissCannon Black 5 Edge/ Wilson Super Spin 16 Black
    Frame(s): YT Radical Pro
    Tension: 50/52


    Stringing:
    Nothing unusual. Both very easy strings to work with. The Wilson Super Spin is a touch plasticky and is shaped but that only comes into play when stringing at higher tensions.


    Groundies:
    Weisscannon makes very stable and solid polys. Simply put, you get what you put in but there's nothing really special about them other than they stay consistent. I noticed that I have a much more linear stroke with this string. With the full beds of BHBR and BHB7, I found that I can pick a more parabolic trajectory or even dip the ball in at the baseline. This combination is better for consistency than anything else since it doesn't do anything particularly fantastic. Power is a minimum but that was expected. Spin is about average and feel is decent. Not too much pocketing, not too crisp. I'd say somewhere in between.

    Serving:
    I found I could hit the spots I wanted but there was nothing extra past accuracy. No big weapon here.

    Volleys:
    Does what it should. Personally, I like a little more dwell time and pop on a string bed. The lack of power is nice for hitting drop shots though-- it's very easy to deaden the ball.

    Tension maintenance:
    Feels about the same from the first 10 balls I hit with it a few days ago to today so definitely a plus here.

    Durability:
    Regardless of the 16g or not, this is looking to be a sub 3 hour string. I wasn't able to get much of a rhythm today but hit with a strong partner and the mains are half notched through. I think it's the softness of the B5E that's just nuking the life of this string.

    Final thoughts: Definitely a control setup but nothing more. I'm glad that the B5E testings weren't a total flop but a touch disappointed over all. For those that seek a consistent string that will hold tension-- B5E is a great candidate. Unfortunately, you're not going to get any free power or spin out of this setup. What I found I enjoyed most was teaching with this combination. Hitting a flat and even ball for students to practice with is a breeze and very comfortable.

    Groundstrokes: 3/5
    Serves: 3/5
    Volleys: 3.5/5
    Spin: 3/5
    Power: 3/5
    Comfort: 4/5
    Tension: 4/5
    Durability: 2/5 Slightly better than the OGSM 18 but not by much. Notching is very evident and the frame has been relegated to a teaching/ practice stick. If I actually hit out with this frame, it'll pop in ~3 hours.

    25.5/40

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    Is super spin the Wilson prototype blue string?
     
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    Also, I would love to see you hitting full out. Especially from the back. I'm trying to figure out what you are doing to break strings so darn fast.
     
  19. alidisperanza

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    Nope, it's a discontinued synthetic made by Wilson. I think I posted a link to it on on the first page. I came by a reel of it while in college and haven't burned through it yet.

    I wish I could have gotten a video of yesterday's hitting. I didn't bring my bag + camera, just two frames. I wont get the chance to hit anymore this week because I'm shipping up to Boston until the weekend.
     
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    Boris Becker Bomber 16/ Gosen OG Sheep Micro 18

    Again, trying to save some $ so I'm stringing to find a suitable "hitting" combo that I don't mind burning through

    String: Boris Becker Bomber 16/ OGSM 18
    Frame(s): YT Radical Pro
    Tension: 48/50


    Stringing:
    After burning through 4 reels, 16-18g, I'm convinced that OGSM is my favorite string to work with. It's truly a pleasure and at 30.00 a reel, you can't beat it. Bomber's nice and smooth so there were no problems around.

    I have high expectations for this combination. I noticed with my playtest of the full bed of Bomber that the string isn't particularly elastic. It's not a stiff poly but I'd say that it's rather crisp. It's tough to describe but the string bed feels much tighter than what it's actually strung at and so far the trend holds taking it off the machine. I'm hoping that crossing it with OGSM is going to A: allow for some nice sliding and snap back of the mains. and B: soften up the string bed a touch. Assuming that spin is positive and that this hybrid lasts ~5 or more hours I'm happy. Heck, at the price per frame of this combination (and as long as the string doesn't physically hurt my wrist or arm) I'll be thrilled with even average results.

    Groundies:
    Finally! A budget combination that plays surprisingly well. Crossing OGSM was a great idea; it not only lends a bit more elasticity to the string bed but it also supplies a nice bit of power. Spin is about average but power is in abundance. I would even describe it as a touch launchy. Comfort is key here and the string responds very nicely from all parts of the court. I would even venture to say that tension could bump up a lb.


    Serving:
    Very nice, clean power here. Decent spin too. Catching the ball lower in the stringbed absolutely rips the ball. Again, the string combination can be a touch launchy if you don't control serves with spin.

    Volleys:
    Clean volleys with enough dwell time to give you good ball response. Half volleys were great with this setup. The springiness of the string simply pops the ball up and over the net. The biggest flaw here is access to touch. The string bed is plain powerful and it's tough to get the balls to stick short.

    Tension maintenance:
    A bit loose. I would suggest stringing a touch tighter since the string bed does have a slight break in. Towards the 3 hour mark, things started to get rather shifty. I think that a slight increase in tension would help here.

    Durability:
    For the price, I couldn't care less if the string breaks in under 3 hours (which, I don't think it will). Played about 2 hours of easy hitting and doubles and the string is only starting to notch. I think I put in an assorted
    4-5 hours on this string and I have to say I was pretty content. there was definitely life left on the bed before popping. Ultimately though, I cut it out because it was getting rather shifty and because I wanted to try out some new stuff.

    Groundstrokes: 4/5
    Serves: 4/5
    Volleys: 4/5
    Spin: 3.5/5
    Power: 4/5
    Comfort: 4/5
    Tension: 3.5/5
    Durability: 4.5/5

    31.5/40

    Overall, I'm pretty happy with this combination. It's comfortable and it plays above average. It's a great and economic hitting setup. By the same margin, there are plenty of strings that more readily enhance my game but none at this price. Even though I cut out this current set, I'll definitely be coming back to this at a slightly higher tension once the nice weather kicks in and I'll be training outdoors.

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    Babolat RPM Blast

    String: Babolat RPM Blast 17
    Frame(s): YT Radical Pro
    Tension: 48


    Stringing:
    For those of you who have never worked with this string before, it's a bit of an enigma. It feels fairly soft in the hands but it's rather deceiving. The true stiffness of the string rears its head when you go to tie knots (particularly starting knots). Otherwise, the only really noticeable characteristic of this string is the coating. RPM has a slick, if not oily coating to it. Very strange.


    Groundies:
    I've strung this up for customers and they rant and rave about it but I really wasn't impressed in the least with this string. Groundstrokes felt ok but no where near magical. I didn't find anywhere near the reported massive spin production on the ball. Yes, the ball penetrated the court if I hit into it but not in a manner that wow-ed me. I also got the impression that RPM isn't particularly powerful. Flat shots stayed on the court but didn't have the raw speed nor the skid that other strings can give. Having said that, it doesn't play half bad at all; just not what I expected for USD17.00 a set. I also found myself hitting a bit long since I've gotten used to the wicked drop of the Big hitter series. Feel wise was ok too. I'm not sure if it's the string or if it's my new Radical but the RPM is resonating in the frame when you hit a ball; It's a bit annoying.

    Updates: I'm really not impressed with this string and the whole resonating stuff is just getting on my nerves :( That being said, it hit pretty-much the same as it did the last time I played with this setup. I got in about 1.5 hours of doubles tonight and aside from serving well, I didn't find anything special about this string. The ball stayed in when I hit with spin, flew long if I didn't. Can't say I played fantastic though; it was a rough night

    Serving:
    I think I enjoyed serving much more than hitting ground strokes. My flat serve seemed to jive with this string. I wasn't necessarily cranking up the mph but I was able to place the ball fairly consistently or adjust on a second serve easily. As a result, I didn't hit very many spin serves haha. Spin is definitely there though and you can get the ball to jump off the court if you hit it properly.

    Update: If I had to laud this string, it would be here. For some reason I serve in the 100+mph range wickedly consistent with this string. One of my opponents was joking around that my second serve was coming faster than my first. Turns out he wasn't joking; I seem to be able to adjust and tweak my serve to go in that second time with confidence. Spin serves have action but nothing to brag about. Can't seem to hit a servicable slice recently so I can't comment there.

    Volleys:
    Slightly above average for me. A bit powerful at times but it could have also been the overall pace of play that contributed to it.

    Tension maintenance:
    There was a small initial break in time for these strings but so far so good 1.5 hrs in of doubles.

    Update. So far the string is still pretty comfortable and lively. I haven't noticed any significant shifting so far so that's good. Then again, 3 hours of doubles isn't anything to brag about.

    Durability:
    Not bad so far although I only played 1.5h of doubles. The strings have started to notch but I think they'll hold out pretty well

    Update: Notching is still at a minimum: Hurrah!

    Groundstrokes: 4/5
    Serves: 4.5/5
    Volleys: 4/5
    Spin: 3/5
    Power: 4/5
    Comfort: 3.5/5 Stupid buzzing...otherwise a 4 for a stiffer poly
    Tension: 4/5 Tentative. I'm waiting for the infamous tension drop I keep hearing about
    Durability: 4.5/5

    31.5/40

    While this string is earning pretty high marks, I'm not terribly impressed with it (except the notching-- it's excellent in that category so far.) The only thing that I'm really enjoying is the boost in confidence on serves. I'm simply hitting through everything and the few double faults are more than rivaled by the forced errors on return. Otherwise, as far as being Babolat's miracle string... I'm not convinced. It does everything it should and with some flair but nothing exceptionally well. if I were given this as a blind test I would rate as is but for the price I think there are better strings out there.

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    I see RPM makes that cannon sound on serves :)

    And someone wasn't too pleased at 2:18......:lol:
     
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    It's got a nice crack indeed


    There were a 16 and 17yo playing a Lvl 1 tournament 2 courts away that were absolutely OBLITERATING the ball. In between points, we were glued to their match. One kid was a bit of a nut though and lost it. Started screaming left and right
     
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    I don't know what a L1 tournament is, but I'm assuming it's the highest level. Here in Indiana we don't have that. It's unsanctioned, sanctioned/open, qualifier, closed. That's about it.
     
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    Under 18yo things go by level. To give you a rough idea, these kids are going to move on to be recruited for very good D1 colleges
     
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    Final thoughts on RPM Complete.

    Updates:
    - Iontec on the way.
    - Undertaking a Donnay experiment: I want to see if I can fit a Donnay Buttcap on my radicals so that I can employ their weight system to tinker
    - I've started to feel discomfort in my wrist... Solution? Teaching myself to play lefty. So far, so good.
    - Debating whether I should string one of my LM mps with multi as a practice stick to deal with some of the discomfort... thoughts?
     
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    Maybe try some RICE before switching to lefty.

    I'd rest for a week or so and then try to play with multi.

    Discomfort isn't as bad as it could be.
     
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    Make sure you're not cocking your wrist too much and that it isn't locked in place because you're tense. Also, do some RICE and maybe try KT Tape. And I know it sounds super basic, but make sure you're hitting in the sweet spot and out in front. The little/straight forward things can sometimes be what get overlooked.
     
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    Awesome

    Thank you kind sir. What is similar to pacific co-poly?
     
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    Better question is: is this the first time you've felt the discomfort?
     
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    The lefty is more because I don't believe in stepping off the court, especially since we've been having weather consistently in the 60-80s. I've been taking care of it though. Thanks for the concern

    I can't say I've had the pleasure of using it. Pacific is one of those few brands that I've never really explored. Sorry I couldn't be of service :(
     
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    HA! No.

    The first time in this area was years ago when I had to switch from the radical to the prestige because my wrist was literally separating. That was no fun... Years later, different strings, different sticks, different strokes...similar problem. It's better though than last time since I used to wrist the ever living heck out of the ball. I think I may have just pushed it a bit too much too fast recently.
     
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    Maybe the rad pro has a beefier swingweight than you are use to.
     
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    Okay, honestly, if you dont want to RICE it, then get it checked out. I say this because my future wife had wrist issues as a junior, and she kept buying braces and what not so she could play through it. She ended up having to do some PT for a very long time until it got to the point that it was unplayable. Turns out a ligament was torn all along, and she ended up having to get surgery. Everytime she takes to the court now she has to wear this special brace thing.
     
  36. alidisperanza

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    Heavier than a 13.5oz prestige mid? Naaaaah :) Heavier sticks typically are better for my wrist.

    Yes, Yes, I know. I'm being careful. I think it has to do with the fact that I've been trying to get ÜBER spin out of all my shots and I've been wristing over a touch too hard. I've been hitting a bit more linear and all is well again.

    In other awesome news, I got my stringforum 16th annual playtest in today. I don't think I'm in a NDA so it's a black, gear shaped poly. Stringing up tonight!

    Updates on what I've been playing with:
    - Totally sick of the RPM I have. Even though it's still got plenty of life, it no longer is holding up it's end of the bargain on spin. Still buzzing too :evil:
    - B5E/ Super spin is beyond shot at this point. I have to work so hard to hit the ball it's not even worth it. About to pop too so it's getting cut as well.
     
  37. mikeler

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    ÜBER spin? You trying to **** off PVAudio with some marketing from his favorite company? :)

    I saw that playtest e-mail. Mine said it would be a nylon/poly blend. Is that the one you received?
     
  38. alidisperanza

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    Yeah, that's for the 17th playtest. Dunno if I'm going to apply for it.
     
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    Gosen OGSM 18

    String:Gosen OGSM 18
    Frame(s): YT Radical Pro
    Tension: 50/53
    Haven't played a full bed of synth since HS. Figured I'd give it a shot.

    Stringing:
    Cakewalk. Cakewalk. Cakewalk

    Groundies:
    Pretty nice feeling but fairly low powered. My typical poly setups have more snap on the ball than the full bed of synth. What I can say is that I was able to really crank up the pace flat keeping the ball low to the net. Spin is very average-- Smack in between poly spin and the blegh of multi. There are definitely no freebie shots here. If you don't get the racquet below the ball and swing up or you don't have adequate RHS on flat strokes the ball simply goes no where. If you hit too much spin and don't supply the correct closed angle, the ball simply slides off the strings. What's amusing about this string is the sound it makes, it's somewhere between a nice "crack" and a "shriek." A touch unsettling on spin strokes.

    Serving:
    Hit exactly 1 serve with it. It went in with some decent top. Popped before I could actually hit anything significant though.

    Volleys:
    Truly average. Nothing crazy here, solid stable response.

    Tension maintenance:
    Strings were shifting from the get go. Can't make any more comments here though, see below.

    Durability: Yes, I know it's 18g...
    I've officially set an all time record for me. I popped this string in exactly 20 minutes; the exact time it took for me to string it. I played clinic tonight and warmed up on drop fed balls (6 people on a court in rotation) for 10 minutes. Then dropped this stick, switched to Iontec for King of the court, then picked it up to hit with a friend for 10 minutes after the clinic was complete. Popped 3 mains with the loudest gunshot I've heard in a while from a set of strings...Pretty awesome minus the whole durability factor. The worst part is, I don't think 16g would have lasted me that much longer since the first 10 minutes were drop fed balls with absolutely no spin or pace.

    Groundstrokes: 3.5/5
    Serves: N/A
    Volleys: 4/5
    Spin: 3.5/5
    Power: 3.5/5
    Comfort: 5/5
    Tension: N/A
    Durability: 0/5 If it would have popped 5 minutes sooner, I'd go into the negatives.

    19.5/30

    Truly a curiosity experiment. I got my kicks and am satisfied. I'm also certain that I simply can't play with synthetic gut anymore :(

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    String:I shall call it "Project X"
    Frame(s): YT Radical Pro
    Tension: 48

    Unlabeled, black, gear shaped

    Stringing:
    An interesting string. I haven't worked with a gear shaped string since I had some Spiky Shark. The string is softer which is interesting but the gears feel as if they're sticking to everything (including your fingers). The texture is a very clear characteristic of the string and you notice it the second you pick up the set. Coil memory is about average. Weaving the crosses is a bit slower than usual but nothing crazy. Slightly more elastic than your average poly. Knots tied up pretty nicely.


    Groundies:

    Overall, I have to say that I'm enjoying this playtest. The string is definitely designed with the heavy spin player in mind. It's a medium-low powered string with a ton of bite on the ball. Switching from a full bed of iontec took some adjusting as my balls were barely hitting the service line. I must say though that even bouncing at the service line, they were hitting the back fence on a fly. You can generate quite a few rpms with this stuff. Comfort wise it's not terrible either; it's slightly better than average; comfortable but crisp in response. There isn't a significant dwell time as with B7 or the extra plushness with iontec but by no means is it uncomfortable either.


    Serving:
    I think what I designated before is the operative word here, this string is primarily designed as a spin/control string. Flat serves are definitely accessible but topspin is more where this string shines.

    Volleys:
    Pretty crisp with enough pop to stick the volleys. Definitely a decent setup. Volleys are more effective with a "pro style" volley where one imparts backspin on the ball; this way, it sticks to the ground and dies there.

    Tension maintenance:
    Over the course of my play tension maintenance wasn't too bad. I noticed that the strings really started shifting on me around the 2.5-3 mark and then just started to get sloppy. The extra spin that was there was gone and it played like a regular, pretty comfortable poly until pop.

    Durability:
    Not a huge fan here. While the string definitely played well until it popped, durability is an issue. The gears or (ridges) were gone after 45 minutes of doubles on the crosses. The mains, interestingly enough, still had some semblance of the original texture even at the end of play. Although there was an initial "setting" period, the strings were starting to show notching at the 1hr mark. Half notched at the 2-2.5 hour mark and from there, the strings were shifting around and it was only a matter of time.

    Using the requested rating guidelines
    Method: Two Piece
    String Stretch: Medium
    String Behavior: elastic
    Tying Knots: Easy
    String Surface: Rough

    Playing Characteristics: 7 being extremely good, 1 being extremely bad

    Power/Acceleration: 4/7
    Control/Precision: 6/7
    Feel/Feedback: 5/7
    Comfort: 6/7
    Spin/ Ball Bite: 6/7
    String Movement: 4/7

    Tension stability: 5/7
    Durability: 3.25 hours 4/7
    Playing Conditions: Hard court. Penn and Dunlop Grand Prix balls. 1/2 indoor, 1/2 outdoor


    Overall a pretty nice string. Someone looking for a lower powered spin/ control designed string will enjoy this setup. I will caution those that play at higher tensions: I think this string will stiffen up quite a bit if you push it to the higher 50's. At 48, it was comfortable and had enough pop to put some decent acceleration on the ball but increasing tension will reduce that drastically. While the "extra" spin didn't stick around, the overall characteristics of the string bed were favorable for the majority of play. The last 30-40 minutes, when the strings were shifting around, were the most "average." This window of play time wasn't necessarily bad, it just didn't resonate with the prior characteristics of the string.


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    Discho Iontec 1.25

    String:Discho Iontec [Earthworm]
    Frame(s): YT Radical Pro
    Tension: 48
    Don't care what anyone says... it's not salmon, it's earthworm. After stringing it up, it's an injustice to my favorite sashimi... I'm not quite sure what Discho is trying to do with the color; perhaps they're trying to make a play off BBO? Either way, it's downright ugly in my YT radicals.

    Stringing:
    The bright side is that this string is incredibly easy to work with. I might just put this among my favorite polys to deal with. Interesting note is that Discho uses 3 zipties with their sets of Iontec but only 2 with hexa. Perhaps it's just the [very small] organizational part of me but I like it. Keeps everything neat. One of the most interesting characteristics that I noticed while stringing the 1.25 is that it's malleable soft. The string itself is average if not slightly softer than average when you first pick it up and start working with it. After running it through a few grommets, it seems to soften up in your hands. This is most evident when weaving crosses since the "head" of my piece of string actually became wavy.Tie offs are no problem at all.

    I'm not quite sure what to make of it because the string doesn't snap back as aggressively as other polys when playing with the mains but on the flip side, there's a bit of flex and give @ the sweet spot. Should be interesting.


    First impressions:
    I'd like to introduce to you my nomination for most comfortable poly of the year. I've always been a dedicated vibration dampener player...always, regardless of what I'm hitting with. Iontec is a go without one; It's not even pingy. Now that that's aside it's time for the good and the bad. Iontec got the trial by fire tonight. I had to play against the no 1 singles from my 4.5 team until a doubles court opened up and then got the chance to hit with a former D1 college player. Off the ground, the string does what you want it to and it enhances your strokes if you hit them properly. Power is there in spades-- even a touch too much at times. Flat strokes, spin strokes, all comfortable. There are two things I simply don't understand with this string. Slices and serves. It was like I was playing russian roulette. The serves that went in were absolutely killer-- the rest. Fault-gasm. That much is unacceptable since my serve is my biggest weapon, especially playing singles. The end result, I lost the set 4-6. The feedback from my opponent was all positive though. He commented that if I were more consistent with my serves, that the match would have gone decidedly differently. He also mentioned that my kick serve was off the charts which is a HUGE plus since I haven't been able to hit an effective one in a while.

    Basically, I'm really really hoping that this string retains its characteristics. I'm sure I can figure out how to serve with it etc with some practice but to have a comfortable poly at a low price is a gem. Definitely needs more play to be certain though.

    Groundies:
    If I had to pick a single adjective to describe this string, it would be "comfortable." Even though IT is fairly stiff in the hands, it plays nothing like it. What I mentioned above is still, for the most part, true. I can play this string after so many days strung and several hours of hitting without a dampener. Hitting forehands and backhands with this string is just awesome. There's plenty of pop but not so much that it's uncontrollable. Add a dash of spin and you have a penetrating ball with minimal effort. If you should choose, ratchet up the RHS and change the trajectory of your swing and you have a stroke that kicks up deep in the court. While I've been having more difficulty with it, hitting flat is solid too. You can get a really nice crack off the frame if you hit the ball properly and transfer your weight through the shot. I find that I'm enjoying the return of serve with this frame quite a bit as well. The responsiveness of the string bed is helping me cover my weakness of return. I've been trying to employ a much abridged motion with a short back swing and provided I'm placing the racquet correctly, the ball is zipping off the frame. On shots where you're stretched out and reaching, the strings provide enough pop to get the ball back on court. The issue I'm still having with this string is hitting slices. Unless I really have ample time to control my racquet and hit a "textbook" shot, I'm just drawing a blank. I've almost literally taken slices out of my game when hitting with these strings. This is definitely something I need to dedicate some time and practice with.

    Serving:
    Oh boy, Oh Boy, Oh Boy. I figured it out. It was a combination of a few things tonight-- principally me making some adjustments and breakthroughs on my service motion. I had the opportunity to play 3 sets of good doubles and a tie breaker so quite a bit of pressure serving. Held all but 1 game. Held serve in tiebreak too. If you hit a proper flat serve, the ball just positively SINGS off the strings and eats up court. Tonight, I was working on placing my feet more appropriately and adopting a true "trophy" pose. It paid off in spades. I was able to crack flat serves down the T and wide with alarming speed. Don't get me wrong, I made more than my share of errors but the beauty of playing with this string is that I was able to rely on a wicked kick serve to win points on my second serve. I haven't seen a ball jump to 6' and hit the back court (or the side curtain) in years. The absolute best part is even after hitting serves at 100%, I had absolutely no discomfort in my arm. With some of the other setups I've been playing, I've had this abnormal numbness in the pointer finger of my right hand after hitting the ball (mind you, connecting square in the center, not shanking); not here. My buddy has 2 of the sets on his GoPro-- I'm really curious to see if I can get the speed off some of my flat serves by measuring frames.

    Volleys:
    Ehhh--Here's where I'm not entirely certain how to react. I've had both good and bad nights hitting volleys with this string. The first time I played with it was positive while tonight, playing doubles, wasn't. I'm going to chalk it up to my poor volleys and not the string. Having said that, the string has a fair amount of pop to it which helps nicely when you hit the ball properly. Mis-hits are terrible. There's nothing on it, no saving grace. Touch isn't my specialty but I didn't see anything in the string that would enhance it-- it's simply too lively for my taste. On the flip side, it's great for getting you out of a jam when you have to reach for volleys to get them back on court. Granted, this is alleviated by better footwork and anticipation of the ball.

    Tension maintenance:
    At 4.5 hours, I'm impressed. The strings are starting to shift but it's not patently noticeable. Play is changing a bit but the string still hits great and feels lively; There's no "dead" poly feeling yet.

    Durability:
    At 4.5 hours, I'm shocked...At 1.22 measured by caliper...:shock: The strings are notched but only marginally. 1/4 at BEST. Had I been given this frame without knowing how long it had been played, I would say it's in the "just set" period. Just about any other string I've played has been utterly destroyed at this point. Kudos to Discho.

    *Update* Up to ~8.5 hours and the string is about half way notched. Still viable for practice although shifting is apparent

    Groundstrokes: 4.5/5
    Serves: 4.5/5
    Volleys: 4/5
    Spin: 4/5
    Power: 4/5
    Comfort: 5/5
    Tension: 4/5
    Durability: 5/5 I've yet to have a full bed last me this long...

    35/40

    Final thoughts: Had I been given this string as a blind test, I would have been really impressed by the simple comfort and durability. Knowing the price point of the string, it's a stellar purchase in my book. Despite it's atrocious look in my frames it plays fantastically and that's what matters. The performance/price ratio is off the friggin' charts for me. I don't do things hastily and without adequate research but I fully intend on playing a few more sets of this and trying out the different variants Mamba/Discho has to offer. If I have similar play experiences though, you can be sure it'll be on my "reels to buy" list.

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    I'll get to this as soon as I'm done with my full bed of Iontec or as soon as a frame opens up.


    In the meanwhile, check out my new project!

    Instead of constantly fiddling around with silicone and Pb, I figured I'd modify my frame with Donnay's only successful marketing ploy. Conveniently, the Head buttcap and the 0g Donnay cap are only .9g apart with Donnay being the lighter.

    +5g cap gives me 4.8g - 0.9g= 3.9g heavier
    +10g cap gives me 9.0g - 0.9g = 8.1g heavier

    Unfortunately, I came to realize that the frame I chose to do it to was slightly underweighted and now, with the "+10g" cap is matched within 1g of my other frames. Haha

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    I'm looking forward to it. That's hilarious about your youteks lol. Have you ever noticed the difference in weight before?
     
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    Yeah, so much work for nothing. I even had to go out to buy new staples for my T20 because the 8 different types I have just didn't cut it. Oh wells. no big deal.

    I'm getting to a stage in my life where I can pick up a frame and just play. Sure, I have preferences and dislikes but there are very few setups that I simply will put down after a few shots. A few grams here and there on the YTs aren't breaking the bank. Consider also that I bought all three used.
     
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    First impressions of Iontec

    First impressions:
    I'd like to introduce to you my nomination for most comfortable poly of the year. I've always been a dedicated vibration dampener player...always, regardless of what I'm hitting with. Iontec is a go without one; It's not even pingy. Now that that's aside it's time for the good and the bad. Iontec got the trial by fire tonight. I had to play against the no 1 singles from my 4.5 team until a doubles court opened up and then got the chance to hit with a former D1 college player. Off the ground, the string does what you want it to and it enhances your strokes if you hit them properly. Power is there in spades-- even a touch too much at times. Flat strokes, spin strokes, all comfortable. There are two things I simply don't understand with this string. Slices and serves. It was like I was playing russian roulette. The serves that went in were absolutely killer-- the rest. Fault-gasm. That much is unacceptable since my serve is my biggest weapon, especially playing singles. The end result, I lost the set 4-6. The feedback from my opponent was all positive though. He commented that if I were more consistent with my serves, that the match would have gone decidedly differently. He also mentioned that my kick serve was off the charts which is a HUGE plus since I haven't been able to hit an effective one in a while.

    Basically, I'm really really hoping that this string retains its characteristics. I'm sure I can figure out how to serve with it etc with some practice but to have a comfortable poly at a low price is a gem. Definitely needs more play to be certain though.
     
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    It's ridiculously linear. In other words, yes.
     
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    Good to know. I had to jump right on court but once the strings settled in, things were much more controllable. There's a lot of free power here at 48lbs and I might have to up the tension a bit for my next stringing. My biggest worry is that they're going to lose tension drastically. If I can get 7 hours of the same/similar play time out of this setup I'll contemplate buying a reel even if it is horrendously ugly.
     
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    I thought when I asked if you were trying the black that you said you don't care how string looks. :p
     
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    Well, I haven't cut it out just yet, now have I?:)

    If ugly gets the job done, ugly it shall be. But ugly is ugly.
     
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    My boy pulled through tonight!!!

    I'm so tempted to buy a PDR and string it up with PHT/VS to commemorate the occasion.


    This tells me two things. A) I hate to say it but I think there's hope for me. Apparently it's possible to beat one of the best players the game has ever seen without knowing how to hit a backhand!!! B) American tennis is still good for one thing; we hit the ever living crap out of the ball!!!
     

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