The Church of Polystringism-- Alidisperanza's PT Thread

Discussion in 'Strings' started by alidisperanza, Feb 21, 2012.

  1. all_backhand

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    Those forehands he hit early on in the third set were just monstrous. Hands down, that was the most impressive match he's played since the 2009 Wimbledon finals. Even his net game was solid. Fed really didn't have much of an answer to those 133mph bombs to his backhand.
     
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    ^^I agree. I said at the time that beating Fed in that exho would not help much. I am glad to say I was wrong. Haven't see Andy play with that much confidence against Fed since he lost that Wimby final..
     
  3. mikeler

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    Don't think Fed hit a ball to Andy's backhand that game he got broken in the 3rd. King Fed can get obsessed with trying to beat his opponent at their strength. It reminded me of him going so much to Delpo's forehand in the US Open final.
     
  4. alidisperanza

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    Indeed. Roddick kept running around everything and playing aggressively but with the statistics instead of against them. Unless he pulled the trigger, the ball was about 2' more "in" than his usual constant attempts for winners. Fantastic 1st and 3rd sets overall.
     
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    I always like to see the underdog win except when they are playing Fed. I'm not a huge Federer fan, but I guess I just like his demeanor on court and how he acts. There's nothing you could say bad about his on court behavior.
     
  6. alidisperanza

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    Completed my playtest of OGSM... popped 3 mains in 20 minutes flat. Almost took me longer to string:-?

    Continued my playtest of Iontec [Earthworm] and I have to say I'm really pleased with what I'm seeing. I didn't really get a chance to serve with it tonight but I was able to play about an hour of king of the court. Great response from the stringbed. Volleys are really solid and comfortable too. The extra pop you get from the stringbed is really awesome when you're out of position/ in a jam. My average strokes are doing well with this string but I'm still a touch hesitant/ need to work out how to pull the trigger and unleash on the ball. I'm very close but I'm still catching the ball out from an inch or two to a few feet. I'm also pleased to say that I'm more comfortable hitting a 2 handed backhand with these strings. While they're not winners, the ball is going back on court where I intend.

    Oh, and I'm now thoroughly convinced that Roddick is like the super hot girl in school that flirts with the nerds so that they'll do her homework; She's a total tease but will never satisfy :cry:
     
  7. mad dog1

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    with iontec, i go 46-47#s for a 85 sq in head and 49-51#s in a 95 sq in head. i've tried lower but found it too powerful.

    in my experience, iontec holds tension very well.
     
  8. mikeler

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    I only got 14 games out of OGSM 17. Broke it in the middle of the string bed and not on a shank.
     
  9. alidisperanza

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    Awesome. I'm thinking a bump to 50 is in order for my next set.

    I don't even want to know what would have happened if I started hitting serves. I maybe, MAYBE hit 100 balls?
     
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    I think return of serve is the hardest thing on strings. Taking all that energy and redirecting back to where it came seems like it would take the biggest toll to me. Naturally, I have no data to back up my assertion. :)
     
  11. alidisperanza

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    No need, makes a lot of sense.

    I had my second significant hit with the test string I was sent. Overall, I have to say that I'm enjoying this playtest. The string is definitely designed with the heavy spin player in mind. It's a medium-low powered string with a ton of bite on the ball. Switching from a full bed of iontec took some adjusting as my balls were barely hitting the service line. I must say though that even bouncing at the service line, they were hitting the back fence on a fly. You can generate quite a few rpms with this stuff. Comfort wise it's not terrible either; it's slightly better than average; comfortable but crisp in response. There isn't a significant dwell time as with B7 or the extra plushness with iontec but by no means is it uncomfortable either. Serving feels good and there's access to a nice variety. Volleys are on the crisper side too. Solid control.

    Now for the negative: The gears on the crosses of my "forehand" side of the racquet were gone in 45 minutes of doubles. The rest of them were completely smooth (indistinguishable from a round poly) at 1.5 hours. Ironically, there are still noticeable ridges on the mains (to varying degrees). What also concerns me is the notching. I'm a little less than halfway through the bed on the mains for 1hr set of doubles and perhaps 45 minutes of hitting ground strokes with a friend. If reasonably priced, I'd say that this could be a solid purchase. If it's looking at RPM pricing... well, let's just say it's better than RPM... haha
     
  12. alidisperanza

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    Finished with Stringforum playtest.

    On to B7/Iontec and Iontec Hexa
     
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    Is there a NDA? Can we get a picture of this stuff?
     
  14. alidisperanza

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    No, there isn't and the pic is already up. Black string above Iontec
     
  15. alidisperanza

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    Finished my playtest of Iontec 1.25. I think I've found my new favorite poly... <3
     
  16. mad dog1

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    it's my fave, too! :2thumbsup: 8)

    now try Tour Bite 16L crossed with Iontec Black 1.25. the guy i was hitting w/ last night went to hit a forehand...the ball hit the court and kicked up and diagonally away from him. he completely missed the ball. :shock: i hit a few heavy topspin shots that just kicked straight up over his racquet. i started out hitting w/ the stick strung w/ BHB7 16/PolyStar Energy1.20 that was dead so he was used to some normal bounces. then i pulled out the TB/ItB laced stick and so many of the high unpredictable bounces were catching him by surprise.

    the feel, touch and absolute control from TB/ItB isn't as good as a full bed of ItB, but the spin is just wicked and so entertaining to watch. it's great for ****z and giggles! definitely not as comfortable either, but the ItB crosses really soften up the stiffness of TB. highly recommend this setup.
     
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    Unedited Doubles set--Some video from last night with Iontec
    5-7, 6-2, 7-6 (7-2) If I remember correctly
     
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  18. alidisperanza

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    Tourna Big Hitter Black 7/ Discho Iontec

    String: Tourna Big Hitter Black 7/ Discho Iontec
    Frame(s): YT Radical Pro
    Tension: 48

    Definitely looks much cooler than a full bed of Iontec by itself...I certainly wouldn't mind an orange iontec tho :)

    Stringing:
    Pretty easy to work with. B7 is very soft in the hands while Iontec is a bit stiffer. The only thing worth noting is to be careful when pulling your crosses, the iontec will bite through the edges of the B7 creating premature notching if you're not careful.



    Groundies:
    After hitting with several different people, I found that this string is better suited to slower, rolling play. Hitting with a friend of mine who was trying out a new racquet was much more pleasant and rewarding than bashing a ball around flat. The spin seems to taper off or become more linear the faster the play or the more heavy the ball. Where I found this string to work really well was in re-directing the ball. A friend of mine and I were working on his forehand trying to get him to streamline his "trigger shot" and he started to hit so well and so fast that I simply couldn't keep more than 2-3 balls in play when trying to fight against the flat. Ultimately I had to swallow my pride and just re-direct the ball and I found that this setup really helped. There was enough control that I was able to get the ball back on court in an effective spot.


    Serving:
    From what I noticed, this setup performed really average in most categories; perhaps a bit above average. The best serve I was able to hit was a slow, rolling, kick serve where the target is sheer height instead of court penetration. Very fun to watch, not so fun to hit. Flat is decent but it lacks the extra MPH of a full bed of Iontec and the "stick to the ground" of B7

    Volleys:
    Again, very average. Not too much snap on the ball and not the greatest for touch. Slicing down or to the side of the ball seemed to help a bit.


    Tension maintenance:
    Not bad at all: I noticed that the B7 behaved much better in this setup than it did in a full set. Shifting was much less and it played pretty evenly for the life of the string. I wasn't able to notice too much of a difference from initial play to finish.

    Durability:
    6ish hours? Not terrible at all considering the last hour involved me fending off a rocket launcher. Ultimately, the strings popped due to notching.


    Groundstrokes: 4/5
    Serves: 3.5/5
    Volleys: 4/5
    Spin: 3.5-4/5
    Power: 3.5/5
    Comfort: 4/5
    Tension: 4/5
    Durability: 4/5

    As a stand-alone string set, it's not bad at all. I'd say that it plays above average for poly with strong notes in comfort and consistency of the string bed but ultimately it loses out when compared against either of it's full bed big brothers. An interesting play but not something I would really come back to.

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  19. alidisperanza

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    Interesting find. Tourbite was a nice string to play in my LM rad MPs and to an extent in the FXP tours but I feel like it's just missing something.

    At the moment I'm looking for two main characteristics in a string: control and comfort. One of the reasons I'm really liking both It and B7 is because they're giving me predictable and quality shots. BHBR reportedly has the same "unpredictable spin" effect you're describing with the TB/ItB and while it's definitely fun to watch, it was more of a novelty to me. I like to know where my ball is in the court and how it's going to react when it bounces. BHBR gave me a false sense of spin, meaning, I sometimes wasn't sure what the ball was going to do.

    Also, I've yet to try ItB. My normal set of It is still going strong and I have a frame of Hexa and B7/It strung and awaiting play. I'll get to it eventually though!
     
  20. mad dog1

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    in my experience BHBR and TB are nothing alike. i got very little control w/ BHBR. i was lucky to have the ball landed in the same zip code. w/ TB, i get plenty of control meaning the ball lands where i'm aiming it and then does its wonky dance. it's not as controlled as straight up Iontec, but it's very good still.

    B7 is very good, but durability is really lacking. starts going dead after the 2 hr mark, completely dead at the 3 hr mark and snaps by the 4 hr mark. I've not had Iontec break on me and i generally get 6-10 hrs out of it depending on who i'm hitting with. even after 10 hrs, it's still very playable and predictable.
     
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    Gotcha, I didn't mean to imply they were similar-- definitely not. Just that "wonky spin" aspect. I didn't like it that much with BHBR. I feel like TB is a lot more consistent in the shots it produces.

    I also agree with the durability of the B7. Even with the tension drop, I find the playability acceptable but it's a bummer when the string snaps every 2 hitting sessions :( For now, I'm sticking with my iontec playtesting. I'll be giving it a true trial by fire tonight: 9.0 mixed doubles. If I can hit consistently against aging, cantankerous, cheating, 115+sq in playing Long Island women, I've found the superstring. (you can tell how much I love Mixed doubles on LI eh? :lol: )
     
  22. mad dog1

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    i think it's pretty common knowledge that i don't like BHBR at all. just doesn't agree w/ me. TB is so much better in the control dept and in producing consistent shots. the ball goes where i aim to hit it. it is the off the bounce action that is just devilishly wicked and can throw opposing hitters off. just pure evil ball action. i just found a full bed of it uncomfortable.

    agree that after tension drops it's still plenty playable w/ a slight adjustment to my stroke. but yeah, it just snaps too easily. 4 hrs is 2 hitting sessions for me, too.

    lol! indeed, it's apparent how much you love mixed doubles!
     
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    Yep, what gave it away. If I had my choice of partner-- which I did and then she wasn't allowed to play on the team because "there were too many women" then I'd be more than content to play. Heck, I'd encourage it because not only is she an awesome tennis player, but also very cool. As the fates would have it, I am not so fortunate.


    On a different note, Iontec seems to be the gift that keeps on giving. I logged another 4 hours on my stringbed today (Mixed doubles then 4.5 practice). While there is a change in the playing characteristics of the string, I found it more than acceptable to play with. The only thing that's really bugging me is that the strings are starting to shift and should I have to play an important match, I'd grab a fresh set but for practice purposes it's more than viable. At ~8.5 hours, it's only half-way notched!
     
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    iontec is simply awesome. the only times i've seen it break is due to shanks that shear the string against the grommet at the head of the racquet. gone through 2 reels of this stuff stringing my own sticks as well as for others and only 3 breaks all occurring in the same fashion as i described. i've been hitting really cleanly these days so the mains will start moving on me after about 5 hrs. but they remain playable well beyond 10 hrs. one of my hitting partners who is very good and spanks the ball really hard with alot of spin played w/ iontec for 7 weeks!!! it was dead by that time, but he said it still had plenty of control but just less spin production. his feedback is consistent with my experience as well. he finally snapped it on a shank trying to hit one of my shots that had taken a big tour bite bounce. even then the strings weren't heavily notched.

    i just can't find a better string for the same price as iontec or lower. if i do, i'll be sure to let you know.
     
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    Yeah, great string for sure, md. I don't know if you were the one who 'discovered' this string, but I know you've been an ardent supporter of it, and for good reason. Reading one of your posts inspired me to try it, and now that I think about it, I should pick up a few reels before the price goes up lol.
     
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    yeah, i certainly didn't discover iontec, but like you said, i've been an ardent supporter. glad to hear others are slowly discovering this gem of a string. 8)
     
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    Which one is you in the video? o.o
     
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    Which video?
     
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    Sorry i meant the latest one, the doubles match. You guys have some nice serves.
     
  30. alidisperanza

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    Ah, I am in red
     
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    Got a chance to hit with the IG Rad Pro tonight. My first impressions were along the lines of "not worth it" but that was with some jive-prince-poly strung in the high 50's. Took me about an hour to work through what was left of the string life then I strung it more to my liking 50/53 Bomber/OGSM and it plays much much better. The frame hits pretty nicely and has a great feel when you properly center the ball. Having said that, I noticed that the "center" or sweet spot is a bit lower than what I'm used to. An inch or two makes a significant difference in feel and sound signature. Hitting a bit higher, the frame almost sounds ping-y and harsh while finding that sweet spot has a great feel and much more feedback on the ball. You know you've hit a good shot when you find that spot. I did play pretty well and consistently with it though and have to say that I think I like the slightly tighter string pattern that it provides.

    Where I think the frame could use a little work is that it feels rather light. Spec wise it's within 6 grams supposedly but I feel like adding a bit more weight to it while keeping the same balance would suit my preference. Design wise, Head really did a beautiful job here although they traded out the traditional black for a dark coffee and gold.


    At the advertised price on TW, it's definitely worth the 10 extra bucks simply for the cap grommets and an up-to-date warranty. I like this style so much better because it actually protects the racquet (Although they sometimes can be a fantastic PITA). Grommets cost 6.00 to replace; a frame 170.00. Protect the darn thing and not just on the tip! Having played both frames (YT and IG) with the same string, I think the IG has a bit more zip on it than the YT. I found control levels to be very similar on both frames.

    Edit: After hitting with it for a bit more and switching back and forth, I don't quite think it's worth the extra $$$ for the switch especially since my wrist is hurting for some reason after playing with the IG for 2 days :(
     
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    After my brief hiatus of playing with the IG Rad, I got my first chance playing with the B7/Iontec hybrid. So far, I'm not particularly convinced on this setup. It plays "ok." But I haven't seen either of the characteristics I've come to enjoy for either string in a full bed. Perhaps I just had a bad hitting day but after dropping 1-5 in a singles set against a friend of mine, I picked up my full bed of hexa and resumed control. Ultimately lost but 4-6 isn't so bad :)
     
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    We have assumed control?
     
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    Yeah, I know it is technically not right, but that was the first thing I thought of when you said "I picked up my full bed of hexa and resumed control."

    Been singing it all day.
     
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    Good stringing jam. Speaking of stringing, I need to restock. Any suggestions?
     
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    Suggestions from me??
     
  40. alidisperanza

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    I meant in general but gladly
     
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    Heh I'm doing just the opposite. Trading out a lot of stuff I know no one will use. Large inventory is impressive, yes, but it's a waste when there's someone out there who will for sure use it and you rarely do.
     
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    Well, I'm literally down to bare bones. I have 2 reels of synth, a few sets left of B5E and a few assorted sets/ half-sets of poly. I'm fairly certain that I'm going to end up with a reel of B7 or Iontec but I still want to test around a bit
     
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    Yo, either post here or shoot me an email. Let me know what you're looking for and I'd gladly send you something.
     
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    So I got to play around with an RDC machine today before I hit and found something rather interesting results.

    B7/Iontec Hybrid: 38
    Iontec Regular: 31
    Iontec Hexa: 32

    What's shocking is that the Iontec regular is shifty, notched, and thoroughly played with. One could even say that it's "dead" yet it measures the same stiffness as the [relatively] fresh bed of Hexa. Figure the Hexa only has about an hour of play on it so it's no where near abused.

    On another note, I hit with a friend tonight and had the chance to try out a ProStaff 6.1 95 with Wilson Spincycle in it. The frame is stupidly off-spec even for a wilson. It's over 10g heavier, 4 points more head heavy and SW is 20pts higher. Having qualified that, I kindof liked this heavy frame. The true spec version felt nice but ultimately too light. It's not for me but it definitely opened my eyes to Spincycle. I never really thought anything about it but this string feels like it could have some potential. Feel @ 53 was comfortable and didn't reflect how stiff the string feels when stringing. Coupled with the 6.1 95, I didn't need a vibration dampener either. I'd love to see how it plays in my Youteks

    Also hit with B7/It for a bit. I found this string much more comfortable when hitting a slower paced ball. When trying to hit out on fast paced returns-- I wasn't really impressed. The cross of these two strings nullified the characteristics I liked about each as a full bed. When just hitting a slower ball back and forth, the feel and spin seemed to come back.

    Bright side is that I have an order coming in tomorrow w/ more B7 16 on the way. I'll definitely be trying that out to see if I can eek out some more performance while still keeping tension.
     
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    Added Hollowcore to my string stock.
     
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    Discho Iontec Hexa 1.20

    Stringischo Iontec [Earthworm] Hexa 1.20
    Frame(s): YT Radical Pro
    Tension: 48

    Stringing:
    Same exact stringing as Iontec normal minus the shape. No real problems.

    After putting this stuff through the ringer, I'm left a bit confused. IMO it plays like a neutral version of the Iontec 1.25 that I tried. It just doesn't make sense. I didn't notice any significant spin gain, nor any other benefits. If anything, I liked this string less than the original. for the most part this will be a biased review comparing it to the original.

    Groundies:
    More or less similar to Iontec 1.25 but crisper/stiffer feeling. Initially I'd like to say that control is slightly better but not as a result of spin (strange, I know.) I felt like I was still getting decent action on the ball but as a whole they were landing shorter around the service line. Definitely a bit less pop/ free power. In terms of feel, Iontec regular is definitely less stiff.

    Once the tension started to drop and the strings began to shift that semblance of control was gone. If I really tried to hit out on the ball, I found that it was consistently landing about a foot-2 out

    Serving:
    Again, very similar to Iontec regular. The only thing I noticed a bit difference was on that kick serve to the [righty] backhand. Not necessarily racking up the MPHs but there was just silly, silly, spin. I noticed it most playing today playing doubles against a gentleman who is normally a fantastic returner. He simply couldn't return the ball comfortably and it caused him to make an unusual # of errors.

    Volleys:
    Meh, average. Nice on overheads. decent on touch. Prettymuch a stiffer version of Iontec regular.

    Tension maintenance:
    No bueno-- I know that the string is a 1.20 instead of 1.25 but I found that the strings were significantly moving by hour 2 of play. By 3-5 the strings were super shifty and notched. I was really surprised it reacted this way given the success I had on 1.25 regular.

    Durability:
    About 5 hours give or take-- notched then popped. The hexa definitely notches faster than the regular. Something really interesting that I noticed with the hexa. As you hit the ball (with spin) the string wears and fibers actually come off. It almost looks like a multi in that the string gets very slightly roughed up with these really small hairs sticking out. At first, I thought it was ball fuzz but upon closer examination, the string actually comes apart. Once the edges are gone, so too are the hairs for the most part.

    Groundstrokes: 3.5-4/5
    Serves: 4/5
    Volleys: 4/5
    Spin: 4/5
    Power: 3.5/5
    Comfort: 4/5
    Tension: 3.5/5
    Durability: 3.5-4/5


    Overall, I'm really not impressed. Personally, I prefer the regular version and am looking forward to trying the black.
     
  47. alidisperanza

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    Between the following for my open frame. Thoughts?

    PolyStar Energy
    B7/Hollow Core
    Iontec/Hollow Core
     
  48. swfh

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    Iontec/hollow core
     
  49. alidisperanza

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    This is going to be one ugly string bed-- green hollowcore and iontec it is

    Strange. It's been a while since I've strung Hollow Core but it makes this terrible crackling sound as you string it-- I swear it sounds almost as if you're cracking a glow stick or glow-ring-thing. Easy to string. Funky colors.

    I can't even review this string in good nature. Hitting with it makes me want to flip the frame over and hit with the grip. :(

    Interesting turn of events. I did/do NOT like Iontec/ Hollow Core and it's beginning to make me question a few things. I got a chance to hit with it the other day and it simply does not have any of the great characteristics I've come to expect from a full bed of Iontec or even from a synthetic gut.

    First and foremost my questions:
    Is iontec a picky hybrid string?
    Did I string it too tight at 50/53?
    Should I have continued with the "Jet" method?

    What I found:
    The stringbed is very board-like and super low powered. If I wouldn't know what tension it was strung at, I would have guessed 56.

    After popping my B7/iontec hybrid, I picked up this frame for a hit and my first ball didn't make it to the net. It bounced, then hit the net. There is literally NO power here. I'm guessing that the plasticky coating on the hollowcore doesn't allow for the iontec to slide back and forth properly to generate that easy spin.

    Second. It feels like a 2x4. There's no pop, no dwell time, just board. I suppose someone who likes crisp, direct, feedback may like this but it's not for me after having played low tension poly. My strokes were complete and total mush. The ball was barely hitting the service line and my hitting partner was getting annoyed.

    Overall, really shocking-- Even my hitting partner tried it after he popped his frame and he was making faces. I'll try hitting it again but as is, it's a no go. Perhaps dropping to 50/50 will yield better results.


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  50. mad dog1

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    i prefer regular iontec 1.25 over both hexa 1.25 and 1.20. between the 2 gauges of hexa i like 1.25. holds tension better. hexa 1.20 makes a nice cross string.
     

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