The Donald

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  1. jakemcclain32

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    Highly doubt it. Rui Machado is worse than DY, and he caught the golden draw in a tourney by getting a futures player and winning. Granted, it took three grueling sets.

    DY will eventually catch that break.
     
  2. Nostradamus

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    Look for Donald to be a threat at Wimbledon this year. His improved touch and forehand will put fear into many players in early rounds.
     
  3. Marius_Hancu

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    D. Young 6 1 1
    G. Dimitrov 7 6 6

    went down mentally, I guess
     
  4. tistrapukcipeht

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    The guy can't move on clay, clearly seen today, in the few games I saw. Anytime Dimitrov changed the direction of the ball, it was a winner or an UE from Young.

    I'm surprised he is in the top 50.
     
  5. pmerk34

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    Should he retire?
     
  6. jakemcclain32

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    Started out the year 39 because of good results from a COACH.

    The summer is when he starts dropping to epic proportions. He has points to defend.
     
  7. JLyon

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    He started downhill after dropping a Pro Coach and switching rackets from Prince to Dunlop
     
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    He's obviously not a hardcore clay court player but movement was not his problem today. He got beat by a player who was playing very well, and Young just wasn't in the match except for a point or two here and there. Dmitrov just did everything better than young. Dude is what? 2-13 this year? Can't blame that on poor clay court movement. Need to look a little deeper than that.
     
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    Obviously Dmitrov plays like an unpolished Fed but if you look at Fed when he was 19 or 20, he was similar to how Dimitrov looks now...sloppy footwork and a bit tentative in his strokes.

    The big stat in this match is the DY second serve was averaging 130km. Thats pretty bad even for WTA. Thats about my slice second serve and I dont have a good second serve.
     
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    Wow. That's horrible. I think many 4.5/5.0 players have stronger 2nd serves than that....
     
  11. Zildite

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    Quite slow all around.
    Young average first serve speed - 166 km/h
    Dimitrov average second serve speed - 160 km/h
     
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    And dmitrov served 11 aces. Wild. They were well placed serves as I recall.
     
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    Finally a match that DY cannot possibly lose:

    He plays wild card Jamie Baker (ranked #203) in the first round of Eastbourne.

    Surely the ten match losing streak will be snapped.

    (Kohlschreiber will restore normality in round two however).
     
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    I say Baker takes him :)
     
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    I wouldn't bet on it, Baker probably plays 12 months a year on grass.
     
  16. Rob_C

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    +1 on this.

    Looked up their H2H, they played once in a USA Futures that DY won. DY beat him 2 & 2.

    This guy has never really been ranked higher than about 200 in the world. If DY loses this, not sure what to say.
     
  17. batz

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    Jamie Baker is on the way back after a long battle with a life threatening illness. Before his illness he qualified for the AO and took a set off Karlovic in R1. He's not the greastest natural talent in the world but he's from Paisley - so he knows how to fight.
     
  18. jakemcclain32

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    Baker up 4-1 in the first set.
     
  19. jakemcclain32

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    6-1 first set Baker
     
  20. batz

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    And Baker takes the second 6-4 :) GSM.

    I am a soothsayer!
     
  21. jakemcclain32

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    6-4 second set Baker. GSM.

    I'm trying to figure this out with DY. Is there ANYTHING he's trying to improve on his game? Has he totally forgotten what his coach gave him last year? Did he wipe it out of his mind? It's not like he's getting Berdych in the first round either. His first round draws are getting to the point where Pedro Sousa, the Futures Player, had to be fed to Machado to get his one win, and that was three sets.

    I want to know if it's lack of confidence, lack of improvement, or what it is. This is beyond not being a top 15-20 player...it's now getting comically bad. Baker isn't necessarily a joke, but he probably gets waxed in the next round(Yes he will...most likely gets Kohlschreiber in the next round).

    To put things in perspective, Denis Kudla has just as many main draw wins as DY, and he's 176 in the world.
     
  22. mnovak1217

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    On the flipside, great win for Ryan Harrison today. Saved two match points in the 3rd set tiebreaker and went onto win it 8-6 in the breaker. He'll have a tough one next round against Benneteau who just lost to Querrey at Queen's.
     
  23. jakemcclain32

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    Yeah, the comeback win was good for his confidence, but it would've hurt to lose that one. Pospisil isn't the greatest finisher, and he's lost a lot of close ones.
     
  24. Tcbtennis

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    Success in the juniors is no guarantee for success among the big boys. I think that Donald Young's downfall can be traced to the moment John McEnroe proclaimed DY to be America's next great champion. The same happened to Melanie Oudin (she has clawed her way out of obscurity with her first WTA tour tournament win today). Note to any successful American junior or their parents-- the moment the press or former American tennis champ states that you are the future of tennis, RUN in the other direction, train in anonymity. There is enough pressure already, you don't need anymore.
     
  25. Rob_C

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    Wow!!!

    Getting harder & harder to believe anything positive is gonna result from the career highs he achieved last year.

    It's easy to 2nd guess after the fact from behind a keyboard, but there are some glaring missteps I think we all can agree on.

    1st off is the coaching issue. I'm not sure he even has his Mom with him now.

    During the clay ct season a commentator mentioned he was traveling with a 16 yr old practice partner. Pretty sure he's the only pro in the top 200, maybe lower, who's doing that.

    Not sure what his practice regimen is like these days, but from his results last year compared to this year, I'd say its along amateur lines, right there with the 16 yr old practice partner.

    Lastly, doesnt look good for the summer, so, if he ever makes it back into the top 50ish, I'd keep a good mix of Challengers on the schedule, like Soeda & Lu, so as not to stray too far from the winning habit.

    Edit: I am gonna throw out the fact that it was his 1st match on grass, so that would be an advantage for Baker since he's been playing Challengers & maybe Queens on grass, whereas DY has not.
     
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  26. Rob_C

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    Ridiculous post.

    That was years ago. He made top 100 years ago, then had to play Challengers for 2 years, finally cracked the top 100 again, had great results, then got too comfortable.

    I think he's clearly not working hard enough, nor as hard as he did last year.
     
  27. jakemcclain32

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    Soeda will probably whack him. He's having the best year of his career. Same with Lu(although Soeda's a more complete player, I think)

    There are just players that have a problem with working hard. Viktor Troicki once bragged that he stayed in bed and no showed practice time because he hates practicing...and that's why he's 0 and forever against top 10s too.
     
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    I don't think it is ridiculous at all. I believe that when DY was 14 years old he bought into some of the hype of his impending greatness. Soon followed the money from sponsors and all the press about him being the One. Can you imagine the pressure that came with those expectations when you are still a child. Practice? I don't have to give any extra effort because I'm going to be a star. Everybody tells you so why not believe them. Sports is littered with supremely talented athletes who thought they could get by on talent alone and not willing to put in the hard work to see it through.

    Now the USTA is encouraging junior tennis players who aspire to turn pro to go college first, if only for a year or two. Get solid coaching, strength training, become physically and mentally more mature.

    DY is having a better career than a lot of prior junior American phenoms. http://www.usatoday.com/SPORTS/usaedition/2012-01-25-US-tennis-Lost-Generation_ST_U.htm
     
  29. The Bawss

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    Lol Baker is a joke but at least he isn't hyped up. Donald young is a disgrace to the USA. I actually mean this for once.
     
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    It's funny to think that DY finished number one in the world as a junior, and in the number two position at that time was Marin Cilic.
     
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    So funny to read some of this
     
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    DY was never that good to begin with, the hype was beyond ridiculous. I had Isner way ahead of him in terms of career achievements and rankings, and I was right on the money way back when Isner just started. DY has no ability to create offense, doesn't even move all that well for his size, etc.

    He has no weapons. At all. From technical, physical, and mental standpoints, he is virtually outmatched almost every single time when he is paired up versus an opponent within the top 50 or so. He's good enough to be a top 100 player at best. Even then... I seriously question his abilities to maintain a position in the top 100.
     
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    he sure looked to be a lot better than that with his play and results at the end of last year. id put it down to his [lack of] work ethic more than anything
     
  34. t135

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    Crazy loss. What? #50 loses to #200?

    And it wasn't even close? Yikes!

    How many years as a pro? I'm thinking we have a failed coaching team/program in place around this fella. And a payer who still needs to mature.
     
  35. jakemcclain32

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    Ranking means jack. 655 beat 40 today(Mate Pavic over Robin Haase), so anyone can have their day.

    Problem with DY is that he's more like 400 than he is 50. He's kept his ranking based off of not having to defend points, but that won't last long and he'll really dip...AS HE SHOULD!

    But for the one that says he has no weapons...just remember who he beat last year to get to 39.
     
  36. ProPlayer

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    can I ask the FUSTA to give me back what ever percentage of my money they put into him?
     
  37. Rob_C

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    +1 on this.

    Last year he was hitting with Sampras, Fish & Querrey before Indian Wells. Had a breakthrough tournament. He was also working with the USTA and putting up good results.

    This year, seems like he thinks he's made it. Now he's traveling Europe with a no name 16 yr old hitting partner. Hasnt won since Feb. If this isnt a wake up call, not sure there will ever be one.
     
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    Who is Robin Haase? A tennis player?
     
  39. tistrapukcipeht

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    He is the guy that almost beat Nadal in Wimbledon a few years ago on 2nd or 3rd round, they went to 5th set, I can't remember anymore what happened.

    He is also the guy that was beating Murray (2 sets to love) last year at the US Open but got hurt and eventually lost the match in 5.
     
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    Young is into the SF of the doubles so he is making a little coin and his ranking will go up in the doubles.
     
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    This would be a nice transition for him, doubles all the way DY.
     
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    It's not that crazy at all. He's the 50th ranked player, not the 50th best player. And his ranking is derived almost entirely from his hot streak last year. For six+ months in 2012, we've seen that he's nowhere near the player he was during his mini-run in the summer and fall of 2011. Plus, there's simply the fact that 200 over 50 in tennis isn't that out of the ordinary.

    My hopes for DY now are that he can simply be a make-enough-cash-to-pay -expenses journeyman - ranked 45-85, mixing the occasional good singles with some doubles cash.

    DY isn't the first, nor the last, heavily hyped player to fizzle out. DY and his team have made a lot of questionable decisions, and they're rightly criticized. Don't really see why so many people hate him.

    I hope he can achieve some tennis stability, but his prospects look dim. Due to his 40-50 ranking following last year's run, he's been enjoying automatic entry into all of his events. His ranking is going to plummet once those points come off, and, based on his current level of play, there's no way most of those points aren't coming off. He's way past being getting wild cards. So, it's back to challengers/qualifying.
     
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    I don't think so many people do. There is a strain of anti conservative - Americanism that runs through these boards and anti-American media coverage. They translate this to DY.
     
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    Not sure what this means. Anti-conservative means liberal. What does this and 'Americanism' have to do with Donald Young and tennis?

    Anti American media coverage?
     
  45. Rob_C

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    Looks like DY got a bad draw at Wimby. According to the twitter feed, he's playing Youzhny 1st rd.
     
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    Yep, Mikhail Youzhny has been chosen to deliver Young's 12th consecutive defeat. :)
     
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    where can we place bets on double bagel?

    "hello, Einstein bros.?; Donald Young would like 2, plain, to go."
     
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    Vincent Spadea lost 21 matches in a row from October 1999 to June 2000. I wonder if Donald Young will come close to this?
     
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    Amazingly, Spadea got through that and had his best Slam results (including a Wimbledon 4th Rnd), won his only ATP title, and acheived his highest ranking (18) after the streak. Not saying that's what is ahead for DY, only that losing streaks don't have to be career killers.
     
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    And Don lost the doubles as well. Oh well, onto Wimbledon now...
     

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