The Donald

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  1. Buford T Justice

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    In the match I saw Saturday, he was looking over to her almost continuously.

    And, I agree with TCB in that he is pretty sour on the court. Although it is entertaining to watch in a Maury Povich or Dr Phil kind of way, it doesnt seem conducive to moving back up the rankings.

    In fact, one thing Ive noticed watching pros at the few events Ive been to........quite a few of them really dont seem to be enjoying themselves out there at all. I think "making it" in tennis is simply too difficult.

    Imagine being 100th best at something in the known universe......and you can hardly earn a living. That has to be an incredible amount of stress.
     
  2. Buford T Justice

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    Ill tell you who else does not belong out there in the Qualies for a 250......Gulbis.

    I watched his 1st round match and was amazed at how much better and harder his strokes were than anyone else out there. I mean, this guy BELTS the ball every single stroke. It was ridiculous. At first I thought he was just mad and temporarily didnt care where the ball went, but then I saw he did it every time and that most of them landed in.

    His serve was a masterpiece as well. Id say most of the other guys out there would like his 2nd serve as their 1st.

    He doesnt look like hed have many friends out there though....although obviously extremely talented, he definitely did not seem very likable (at least as a fan watching).
     
  3. Rob_C

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    Its tough out there. Berankis just lost to Bobby Reynolds, Gulbis is down a set right now, and either Smyczek or Kudla isnt going to qualify as well.
     
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    Simply put, they ALL think they can be the greatest when they are younger, then reality sets in the kind of work ethic that takes.

    They want the red carpet, but not the sweat. When things aren't easy like when they were kids, it becomes drudgery.
     
  5. Buford T Justice

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    Yes....the overriding impression I left the tournament with was "I am glad I am not doing that for a living". It looks like a brutal brutal field to be in with a very low chance of being succcesful. And, the differences between a guy ranked 300 and one ranked 100 really is pretty small generally speaking.
     
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    Some of these guys are in magnificent shape though......I could tell that the majority of them took fitness and conditioning as a very very high priority.

    Now of course when everyone else works as hard as you do....it boils down to some natural talent and/or luck........
     
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    You think everyone else works as hard as Djoker, Fed, Andy, Ferru, or Rafa? That's another level.
     
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    I believe that there are plenty of players who work as hard as the ones you named above. But if you don't have the level of inherent talent that these guys have you don't reach the heights that they have. So an average joe who works as hard as Djoker, Fed, Andy, Ferru, or Rafa will be a good player but no where near the level as these players. I certainly don't think that Donald Young has the inherent talent that these guys have.
     
  9. Onehandedbackhand

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    Ferru has top 25 talent, TOPS! DY got to 38 when a real coach made him work.

    Extra work got Daveed to 4, not extra talent. Guys like Gulbis have FAR more talent than Ferrer. He just wants it more.
     
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    Donald has incredible speed though from side to side. That is why so many people thought he would be better. He should be a wall out there. Instead he attacks at the wrong time and is mentally fragile. Let's see if he can continue to fix that issue because his athletic ability is excellent.
     
  11. Buford T Justice

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    Yes yes yes. I noticed this straight away when watching him play in person. This guy is quick. I also watched him close on the net a few times and he gets there in a literal blink.

    Hes also got some power, but seemed like he was tentative to use it all the time. (In fact, I noticed this from alot of players).
     
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    Fantastic description of Donald Young's place in tennis.
     
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    Here's a pic of Donald in Delray... Pretty much sums up his mental stability in matches.

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  14. Onehandedbackhand

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    Dear God, Why Have You Forsaken Me! John Mcenroe Named Me The Future Of Tennis!
     
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    It's like a Murray, except without the good results
     
  16. Onehandedbackhand

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    Mommmmyyyyyyy!!!!!
     
  17. Buford T Justice

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    Truth is....tons of the guys were acting like that. Heck.....Bogomolov came within a couple of feet from hitting a line judge with his racquet.
     
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    Acting negatively in the moment doesn't necessarily mean you won't win. The difference is whether you carry it with you.

    It's one thing to yell out if you double fault. It's another to let it carry on and affect you for much of the match.
     
  19. Tcbtennis

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    I absolutely agree with you. You have to have a short memory in tennis. Right after DY plays that poor first game where he was upset about a double fault call he walks on the changeover right to the area on the court where his double fault was called and has words with the chair umpire about it. I was surprised. 2 or 3 points were played after that double fault call and the score was 0-1 in the first set (not 5-5 in the 3rd set) and he played poorly in that game but he was still thinking about that call.

    Murray is a perfect example of a player who complains about everything (not much anymore now that he has Lendl in his players' box) and can have poor body language. But he is #3 in the world so obviously it doesn't negatively affect him. DY is struggling and he needs to fix his mind.

    DY has been playing professionally since he was 14 years old. So not letting bad calls affect him is not a new concept to him. I have 2 kids that play junior competitive tennis and I am constantly trying to get 1 of them to not let her emotions get the better of her during matches. It doesn't help her performance at all. DY desperately needs a new team around him starting with saying good bye to his mother as his coach. After all these years there is no way he can listen to his mother (or father) and really truly and wholly embrace their coaching especially since the results have been so poor. Someone once told me (in regards to my kids) that in order for them to improve in tennis they needed a coach that they would be willing to run through a brick wall for. Murray has that with Lendl. I doubt DY has that with Mom.
     
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    Mom would probably run through a brick wall for him, though. It's hard to leave someone you trust completely for an unknown quantity. In some ways it would be breaking up the family.
    Sharapova's dad worked his way out slowly - if Mom doesn't want to leave, it's really hard for DY to fire her.
     
  21. Jdenson97

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    Where is Donald playing next
     
  22. Tcbtennis

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    It's definitely a difficult situation. There is no one out there who would have his back more than his mother. After all the trials and tribulations especially with the USTA the Youngs probably have an "us against the world" attitude. I don't think that Donald would fire his mother. It would be up to her to make that move, I think. As a tennis mom I can tell you that you live and die with every match your kids play. There are no fans or cheerleaders as there are in team sports. You are it. You comfort your child who is crying and crushed after a tough loss. You are the one celebrating, giving high fives after a great and hard fought win. I've seen high level junior match where a kid loses a tough match and tells his mother to "leave him the hell alone" and she does. In my opinion that's what a parent should do especially when the results have been poor. Donald needs a coach to tell him to "shut the hell up" when he starts to whine. Someone he respects and will listen to. I bet that is what Lendl told Murray. I used to hate Murray for his whiny, mopey demeanor. When Lendl is in Murray's box, you don't see that behavior. Murray can focus on his game and on the new aggressive style they have worked on together instead of moping about a call that he didn't like.

    As you wrote, Sharapova replaced her dad as coach. So did Serena and Radwanska. We are all still waiting for Wozniacki to do the same. I'm hoping that Donald will also. After watching him play live, I know that he needs to change something. Remember the definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result.
     
  23. t135

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    Pretty good stuff. Big difference between all those players you used as an example and Young. But you're right about his mother needing to lead the way.

    All those players however had achieved consistently outstanding results on tour. Young struggles year in and year out with little to show for the effort. Should have listened to the USTA's advice years ago. They tried to help.

    Seems that the Young's have decided to show the world something, stick together no matter what happens. Hey if they're happy what can you say?
     
  24. Buford T Justice

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    Yes.....he has made $1,396,941 so far in tournament winnings, so its not as though hes been woefully unsuccessful. But, Im guessing thats still small peanuts compared to what he would like to have achieved by now. Having been a pro since 2004 according to his ATP bio, that means hes averaging ~$175k/yr, which after expenses, is probably not exactly living high off the hog, but not a bad living either.

    I think many folks feel he has the talent though to have earned several multiples of that. I am no expert at talent evaluation, but seeing him in person its obvious hes got big time wheels, is very athletic, and does have some big shots. His serve has a "quick release" vibe to it, which at least to me, almost has a Roscoe Tanner look with it seeming as though his striking the ball on its way up.
     
  25. gavna

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    If your on tour and making a GROSS of $175k I hate to tell you is terrible..........after travel and taxes and fees and expenses....etc he is lucky if he brings home 30% of that.

    Even on the cheap staying in Europe for the spring summer circuit from late May thru end of Wimby going to cost you easy 7k month.
     
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    He probably gets a pretty good deal on coaching expenses.
     
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    I agree it is not a fantastic living he is likely earning, but its still better than average on the tour and better than the average USA wage earner even if he takes home 30%.

    All that said.....still well below what his potential might indicate. And....I suppose that may ring true for many of us in our "regular" work lives as well!
     
  28. t135

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    You may want to look over those numbers again. $1.4 mil over a 9 year career is about $160,000 per year. Expenses run about $140,000 a year. Perhaps his expenses have run a little less because he doesn't get very deep in draws, and has generally had dismal success outside the USA. He's 38 and 86 in wins and losses on the main tour in singles, and the prize money also includes doubles.

    I'm sure the Nike sponsorship paid well but your analysis of a 'comfortable living' may be a little off. But he is doing what he loves, and that is what really matters. For sure. He's living his own dream, which is cool.

    Well...that and winning...professional athletes play to win as far as I know. Be all that you can be. Reach your potential. All that good stuff.
     
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    The sponsorship $ covers quite a bit. Expenses and more. Probably has done pretty well overall.

    His [DY's contract at 15] Nike contract, sources said, pays for training and coaches and has much less money involved [Than Monfils' $500k/yr for 4 or 5 years]. If Young performs well, however, the deal would pay him handsomely.

    http://www.bizjournals.com/portland/stories/2005/01/17/daily1.html
     
  30. Moose Malloy

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    the guy that beat Young in qualies made the quarters of Delray(upset Malisse)
    plays another qualifier today
     
  31. Harry_Wild

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    Keep posting these updates on The Donald. Big fan of his! Too bad he not more consistent in the win department. Sorry now he has to qualify just to get into the main draw of a small tournament. That puts additional pressure on you as a tennis pro. You have to win two or three matches straight and then you need to win 1st round to make any money at all.
     
  32. Jdenson97

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    He has a slim chance of getting into Indian Wells Qualifying
     
  33. Rob_C

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    I actually think him having to go thru qualies is good for him at this point coming off last yr where he lost a ton of matches 1st rd. At least he's been winning matches and getting back into a winning state of mind, sometimes.

    He's beaten some guys recently, Russell and Bogomolov, that he's had a lot of trouble with.

    I'd like to see him get into the IW and Miami qualies so he can continue climbing back up in the rankings but I doubt he's going to get WCs even for qualies, and he's too low to get straight in. Gotta hope for a few withdrawals.
     
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  35. Rob31

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    lol i really don't know why such a mug like Donald Young has his own thread...
     
  36. Rob_C

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    I disagree with you there. I didnt say I think its good for every pro to go thru qualies, I said I think its good for DY, right now, especially coming off last yr, where he lost so many 1st rd matches.

    At least now he's winning multiple meaningful matches in a row, getting re-accustomed to winning, hopefully, instead of losing. Along the way he's gotten a couple of monkeys off his back, Russell & Bogomolov.

    Also, whether he comes thru qualies or not, he's not going to be seeded so his potential MD opponent isn't really affected by him being a qualifier or not. Not sure where you got that stat that they mostly draw top 20 players, but I disagree with that as well.
     
  37. t135

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    He's American, talented, and its interesting like a TV drama or soap opera. A winning combination.
     
  38. Rob31

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    Nope.
    Sorry, but he's nothing special.
     
  39. Venetian

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    You missed the point completely. People are interested in him even though he hasn't achieved much because of the points t135 mentioned.
     
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    Donald Young is the Fred Durst of tennis.
     
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    Maybe just Maybe, Donald Young isn't as good as all the people thought he was. maybe, it isn't lack of power or lack of powerful serve at all. maybe, he is only just talented enough to hang around #100. but not any better than that. It's happened before.
     
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    Why do drivers rubberneck at accident scenes? The guy gets attention because he hasn't lived up to falsely-placed expectations placed on him from way back by "experts". When the "crash" happens, people like to gawk and thank God it didn't happen to themselves.
     
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    Looks probable now he won't get in Indian Wells and Miami Qualies.
    Positives and negatives Positive he can add another tournament to his ranking and get some points playing Challangers.
    Negatives he looses ranking points for the next two weeks :(
     
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    How many spots is he out of the "Q"'s for IW?
     
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    He may be a lost ball in the tall grass but 'nothing special' doesn't get a ranking in the 30's. or allow you to hover around 100 on the tour. Drink a can of get real juice.
     
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    DY never had the athletic talent to be a world beater. Still, I wish I lightbulb would go off in his head and make him realize that his best results were with a full time tennis coach not named mommy and daddy.

    There has to be something in him that would love to go all in on seeing just how good he can be. That would only come through a quality coach.
     
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    DY wasn't even close to getting in the qualies...he's #190 and the last one straight in was #164 Kunitsyn. As to getting points on the Challenger circuit, this week only has a clay event in Santiago, Chile and a HC tourney in Kyoto.
    Look for more of a dive in the rankings.
     
  48. Rob_C

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    Not exactly. There were a few pull outs, including Nalbandian who had a WC into the MD. Jack Sock ended up getting Nalbandian's MD WC from the qualies, a couple other players from the qualies list got MD WCs, Smyczek, Johnson & Blake, a few others pulled out, and that left 2 qualies WCs available to be handed out.

    One went to Bobby Reynolds, the other went to Mohammed Abid (sp?), the finalist in the pre qualies tourney, ranked 855.

    Kinda have an issue with an American getting passed over for a WC in favor of some foreigner ranked 855, but, I dont know the whole story.

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    He'll drop a few more places, but thats it. Remember, last year this time he was at the beginning of his losing streak. Thru the US Open, he's only defending 100 pts from 1st rd losses at the Masters Series and Slams. 70 from the AMS, 30 from the slams. And then 10 pts from Winston Salem.

    A couple of good Challenger results, and or some MD tour wins, and he's ahead of where he was last year.
     
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    Donald's next tournament is Dallas "Challenger" Qualifying. The cut off for this events main draw is 79 so not really a challenger. He can get some good points here by reaching quarters
     
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    I know, what up with that? He must have used up his wild card allowance in combination with his USTA relationship.
     

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