The Donald

Discussion in 'Pro Match Results and Discussion' started by jaggy, Jul 13, 2011.

  1. TopDawg

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    He's playing the Dallas qualies - didn't even make the main draw of that Challenger though the Dallas Challenger is like a 250 event.
     
  2. RodSmooth

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    Not even close mang.

    Compare Dallas to a 250

    Did he qualify though?
     
  3. romeo8880

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    The Donald should play an exhibition against Gael Monfils!
     
  4. RodSmooth

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    Comparing a dude with world class athletics

    World class genetics

    Most talent to who has ever touch the game


    Look at the results, they have to both NOT reached there peaks and don't listen.

    1 got to 35 in the rankings by luck

    1 beats players 1-50 easily, and has a career high rank of 7.

    Donald is the poor mans Monfils, or in other words the east African version of monfils
     
  5. TopDawg

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    Did you look at who is entered before making that comment?

    Granollers, Baghdatis, Bellucci, Fognini, Feliciano Lopez, Malisse, Goffin, Ramos, Falla, Istomin, Rosol, Mathieu, Harrison. Cilic, Haas, Jerzy, and Kevin Anderson were entered but will pull out since they are still in at Indian Wells.
     
  6. RodSmooth

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    Less money, less points, not a 250.

    Plus you said it yourself they pulled out.

    Can't compare any challenger to a 250, the quality of venues and perks the players get are night and day as well.

    If you want to judge a tournaments level by who is in it, then the red clay futures nadal played are like Roland garos.

    The futures federer played are like the Australian open.

    And the futures Agassi played where like calender slams and the Olympics in one.
     
  7. TopDawg

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    I wasn't aware Nadal or Federer played futures back in the day versus current top 70 players. I'll have to look that up.

    As a fan, why would I judge a tournament by anything other than draw? So if I just judge a tournament by money and points I would have to say that the 500 in Memphis with 0 top 10 players was better than the 250 in Marseille that had 5 top 10 players entered.
     
  8. RodSmooth

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    Like I said, no monfils,verdasco,davydenko,bagdatis, and gulbis.

    No care.

    They are the only ones to raise a challenger to a 250
     
  9. romeo8880

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    Just looked it up. The Donald lost to Olivier Rochus 6-2 6-4 today.
     
  10. Rob_C

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    Disagree. Not sure what Fed or Nadal's rankings were when they played Futures, nor what the rankings of the other players in the draws were, but, I'm pretty sure no one was in the top 100.

    Like TopDawg said, this particular Challenger has several top 50 players in the draw, the #1 seed in qualies is ranked 115, the last DA for the main draw was #82.

    Compare that to Delray Beach or San Jose where the cutoff, before pullouts, was about the same.
     
  11. RodSmooth

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    Telling me what tournaments are like.

    Career: never played on tour


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  12. Rob_C

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    Not sure what your point is. Are you saying that I never played on tour??? Thats fine, cause I'm pretty sure you never played on tour either.
     
  13. RodSmooth

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    That my friend is where you are wrong.

    Like I said Dallas compared to a low level 250 like delray is night and day
     
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    Attila bucko was my coach/ hitting partner.

    I posted pictures already, and posted a story of how we were at a challenger and one of davydenkos hitting partners was talking about rigging matches.


    Already said I was BSing about that, selective reading lol
     
  16. Avles

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    Sorry I missed those followup posts... guess I haven't been following your illustrious forum career closely enough.
     
  17. RodSmooth

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    Lol, you sound like a hater.

    Never said I made it past futures or challengers.

    Like I say, anyone who hasn't played at least at some type of good level, can't say i don't know what I'm talking about.

    To stay on topic though, when I practiced with Donald years back at the Tallahassee challenger"I think".

    Donald seems he is a player that dosent like people who play with pace(whole ATP top 100).
     
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    Because Atilla had a beast Junior Career I never had, and the thread was about junior careers

    But if you look at some of the ITF's he played, you might see my name, I'll worship you for ever if you figure who I am.
     
  20. Rob_C

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    Care to give a reason or two as to why they're so different, despite the entry lists being very similar??

    And, anybody can sign up for a Future's qualies and then turn around and call themselves a pro. Depends on how much disposable income you have and are willing to spend.

    There was this ****** who used to do just that on these boards a few years ago, Sydney Jim. He thought he was the only person on these boards qualified to have an opinion on the pro game. Would call anyone who disagreed with him an idiot.

    Dont be that guy, K????

    No need to be arrogant.
     
  21. RodSmooth

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    Not bro, the ironic part is that I played at Dallas one year and lost 1st round.

    And I trained in south FL, been to the delray site over 100 times.

    Just don't like being called a troll for having different opinion.

    Why is Dallas different? Less points and less perks. Those are the biggest 2.

    It depends how you compare it, financial and points wise, or player depth wise.

    We can both be right and both be wrong
     
  22. Rob_C

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    Never called u a troll. Just disagreed with u, and agreed with TopDawg, that the fields were similar at the Dallas Challenger to some 250s.

    Also, the Dallas Challenger is being held at the Four Seasons, so I'm assuming the players are being housed there as well. Those are pretty good accommodations.
     
  23. RodSmooth

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    We can agree to disagree
     
  24. mightyrick

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    You really shouldn't even waste your breath with this guy. How much more qualified do you think he actually is... when it comes to analyzing the game? I'd say likely far less qualified than you are.

    Case in point. Most of the ex-professional commentators are absolute idiots when it comes to analysis. Their color commentary is usually decent, but actual analysis is is extremely poor.

    And this goes for most sports.

    The best analysts are those who are avid watchers of a sport and students of its history. I guarantee you that there is no professional baseball player living or dead who is a better analyst than Bob Costas -- and he has never even picked up a baseball. There is no basketball player living or dead who is a better analyst than Marv Albert.

    So don't be so quick to defer to someone, just because they may have (barely) played a sport. Those really aren't qualifications for anything -- other than being a semi-decent player.
     
  25. Jdenson97

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    Did anyone watch him in Dallas and how bad was he
     
  26. RodSmooth

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    its not that serious

    strong generalizations
     
  27. Jdenson97

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    Gotta hope the USTA give him a wildcard for Miami. There's hardly any Americans apart from Kudla who will get a MD wildcard probably. Would be good for him to get one and qualify.
     
  28. Rob_C

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    Well, DY didnt get a qualies WC into the Sony Open, but, another often discussed person did.

    Deiton Baughman somehow got a qualies WC!!!!

    Don't really know how his dad pulled that off, but he's in, and has a pretty tough draw. He plays Daniel Brands.

    Sweeting, Ginepri, Bhambri, and Nishioka got the other WCs. Dont really have a problem with Sweeting and Ginepri. I guess the other two are IMG clients, and DY left IMG a while ago, so he probably isnt going to get favors from them now.

    Kudla also didn't get in. Not sure if his playing the final today in Dallas had anything to do with it.
     
  29. RodSmooth

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    I think Donald needs to work through to the top.

    Think he was given so much that in the pro circuit he dosent know how to break through boundaries without a wildcard.

    You guys have to remember the kid had no real pressure as a great junior, he was really young, so he could play pretty freely.

    Now he is dealing with pressure that he has never seen before
     
  30. mightyrick

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    It reminds me of how many amazing college players in any sport there are... only for them to completely implode when they reach the professional level. Most people just don't have the demeanor to play any sport professionally.

    It takes a certain level of maturity, certain level of humility, good support system, good coaching, and a good work ethic.

    Obviously nobody knows his situation at a personal level, but I'm not so sure how many of those traits he has working for him.
     
  31. GRANITECHIEF

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    Right, how the heck did he get in, passing up about a hundred other guys that actually have at least 1 atp point.

    However, 62,64 against ATP #74, thats a legit scoreline, prob had some chances in the 2 set.
     
  32. Rob_C

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    Completely disagree.

    The WCs were predominantly in '05/'06. That's 7-8 yrs ago!!

    He got straight into every tournament he entered in '12 so how do u come up with he doesn't know how to break thru boundaries without WCs??

    Now, if u want to criticize his work ethic, coaching, decision making (not moving to a more competitive tennis area, Tampa or Bradenton, for example, switching rackets constantly in '12 chasing a racket deal instead of sticking with the Prince frame), no arguments there.
     
  33. Harry_Wild

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    Is The Donald in the main draw of the 2013 Key Biscayne tournament? Did he have to go through qualifying - again?
     
  34. Rob_C

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    No, he's not. He wasn't even ranked high enough to get into qualies.

    Probably Houston qualies next. Then some Challengers.
     
  35. RodSmooth

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    He got wild cards in 2011 as well that got him to 35, to get every main draw.
    What you just stated proves my point, after he got lucky/good run and got his rank up, he lost in the main draw almost every tournament.

    Why? Because he never broke the boundary to that level.

    You confuse a few good runs, with breaking a boundary.
     
  36. Rob_C

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    So, let me get this straight.

    DY can only win a MD match if he's given a WC. If he gets DA into the tourney, most likely he's gonna lose.

    Is that what u mean??
     
  37. romeo8880

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    Is the Donald aware that he has an entire thread dedicated to him on here? lol
     
  38. Jdenson97

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    He pulled out of Le Gosier ment to play Mexico challangers after. Can you enter a challanger qualifing if your not on entry list
     
  39. Rob_C

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    If enough people don't sign up for the qualies, you can get in. Or you can get a WC from the TD.

    Not sure if it's like the 250s where there's no qualies entry list. Whoever shows up by the sign in deadline gets in.

    Are u saying he signed up for the wrong Challenger??
     
  40. t135

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    Maybe you are right about this. Hmm.
     
  41. Jdenson97

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    No meant he is playing 2 Mexico Challangers next week and he could enter one this week even though he isn't on the entry list as he pulled out of Le Gosier
     
  42. RodSmooth

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    Wouldn't doubt it.

    He's always on PS3 and Facebook.

    Pretty sure he reads tennis forums as well as blogs to.

    He's been distant from society and a social life ever since he was a kid, I guess that's why he just does things at home???

    Just an idea
     
  43. Harry_Wild

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    Challengers are second to the bottom - Futures. I would try if I was The Donald to do qualifying in the 250s and get in the main draw and try to win a few rounds there. Much better point accumulation strategy to get back into the 500s and even the 1000s tournaments. If The Donald can win a few 1000 main draw rounds; he can get directly into the GS qualifying.
     
  44. ricki

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    Lulz @ winning few rounds at Masters...
     
  45. Jdenson97

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    Does anyone know is he is playing anywhere this week
     
  46. Rob_C

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    Nowhere, I think.

    He was on the ALT list for a 100K Challenger in the Caribbean, but he pulled out. Turns out, with all the withdrawals due to Miami, he would've gotten straight in.

    He's scheduled to play 2 Challengers in Mexico next.
     
  47. Harry_Wild

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    Georgia and Miami not that far away. He should of hung out there just in case!
     
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    What kind of a loser would spend time reading this? Oh. Right.
     
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    Holy Christ serve. :shock: Check out 2:50 unreturnable. Then 4:12 he hits a well-placed "puff" serve only to have an easy winner volley. At 6'7" S/V is a good deal.

    Anyone who thinks they can get a game off either of them is plain nuts. They are PROFESSIONALS -- they do this for a living. Even our best (non-open) posters in this forum could dream of doing well against the pros. But it's a dream only.

    I don't know about you guys, but I enjoyed watching both players in that video!
     
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    How much money does DY - make a year? Over $100K - for sure right?
     

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