The Donald

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  1. Fedace

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    Wait a minute.............WHAT is different about Donald ?????????????????????






    NEW Prince Racket. O3 Tour
    Now WATCH out....NEW #1 in the world soon.
     
  2. Fedace

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    Does this mean Donald's Contract with Head rackets in the Trash can ??? and where is the new contract with Prince ??
    Is that Prince racket So GOOD that Donald has switched to that O3 tour frame with NO contract ????????????????
     
  3. t135

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    3 and 3 win against Mike Russell. Glad to see that happen for Donald. Hope he can keep the momentum rolling forward.
     
  4. kishnabe

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    I wonder if DY can finally win something signficant on tour!
     
  5. bluetrain4

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    He hardly has any points to defend for the rest of the year. 90 points at least for Washington, which is huge. So, he could very easily be back in the Top 100. Not far in, but in.

    That gets him automatic entry into Slams, but really not much else. It may get him some wildcards at smaller U.S. tournaments after the U.S open, of which there are few.
     
  6. Fedace

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    he just might with this new racket. I have never seen him hit so hard and have such good control before.
    One time he surprised himself when he hit backhand completely off balance as hard as he can and it still went in smack on the baseline. Surprised the heck out of Russel.
     
  7. jokinla

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    Michael Russell not getting the wild cards proves my point, he hasn't needed them because he was won the necessary matches to stay on tour, versus DY who hasn't.
    As for Harrison, some of those wild cards he has earned by way of winning the playoff for the wild card, and he has shown much more promise by making good with his wild cards he has been given, and of course his wild cards have been over the course of the last two years, versus DY who as I originally stated is making a career out of getting wild cards over the last six years. IMO if you're the break out star, top junior or college player you should have a 1-2 year window of getting help with wild cards, and then you either make it or break it, and the wild cards are given out to the next up and coming guy, and it cycles every couple of years. As for other players worthy, you currently have Kudla and Jack Sock on tour who have shown improvement and promise, so I would be giving them the WC currently, DY has had more than his fair share, it's time for him to earn his place on tour or go back home, as Michael Russell has been doing for more than a decade now.
     
  8. edberg505

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    The Donald is in to the semis with a win over, the Cypriot, Marcos Baghdatis.
     
  9. cneblett

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    Does getting to the semi's get Donald into Montreal as a SE?
     
  10. Rob_C

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    Thats a good question. I think it might. I'll check MTF to see if there are SE spots on the entry list.

    Edit: There is one SE spot for Montreal, but Stepanek would be eligible for it also. Nice little extra incentive for the match tmrw.

    Re-edit: Stepanek already got the SE, I guess it goes to the higher ranked player. A week off would probably be a good idea. I know some people, especially here, will hate it, but I'm expecting a Cinci WC for DY.
     
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  11. Rob_C

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    He has been earning his place on tour. If u check his record you'll see he's played a boatload of Challengers the past few yrs, and I've said, he's gotten 12 WCs the past 4 yrs.

    I think part of the issue is that he starting getting the WCs early, when he was 15/16 yrs old, good enough to be a standout jr, but not physically strong enough to compete with men, especially considering the size in today's game.

    But, in '07, he/they went away from the tour level WCs and he played Futures & Challengers and got his ranking up that way.

    You seem really fixated on Michael Russell, not sure why.

    Hope you're not wondering why Russell isnt getting any WCs.

    Anyway, with this result in Washington, DY probably will be MD for the American tournaments next yr since there arent anymore US tournaments after the Open, except for the 1000 series.

    When DY was winning Kalamazoo, and jr GSs, and Challengers as a 17 yr old, thats how he earned some of his WCs, you guys seem to conveniently forget that part of things.

    You make it seem there's only 1 WC per tournament, and that if DY gets it, noone else gets one.

    Sock and Kudla are getting WCs, Kudla got one into Washington, they'll probably both get one into the US Open. Sock hasnt been playing much this summer for some reason.

    Lastly, just because DY has gotten alot of WCs doesnt mean someone else is more worthy, the other guys have to show some promise or results to earn consideration. Look at Devin Britton, he won the NCAAs, got a US Open WC, played Federer close, and has pretty much fallen off the map since. Losing 1st rd Futures left & right.
     
  12. jokinla

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    Russell and DY had played at Atlanta and it was a topic of discussion on this thread when I made my original comment, thus my comparison of those two players. As for other guys being worthy, their are Challengers full of guys just as worthy as DY. If Devin Britton had been given the WC's DY had gotten just a fraction of the time, then possibly he would have built up the confidence and gotten the match play needed to get wins in Futures/Challengers, the same goes for many players, if given the chance to experience the amount of tour level matches DY has been given over the years, maybe they'd be experiencing the boost DY is getting. To say the DY is the only one worthy of the # of WC's he's gotten is ridiculous.
     
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    Great to see Donald Young in the semi's! He's a good guy and I wish him well.
     
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    Ok, name some of these worthy guys who aren't getting WCs, and we'll compare their achievements to DYs and we'll see how they compare.

    Sock is getting WCs, Kudla is getting WCs, Johnson is getting WCs, Klahn is getting WCs.

    Britton has been given WCs, he hasnt been ranked in the top 600 to date, thats probably why he hasnt gotten any more tour level WCs, he's not producing results. Even when DY was getting WCs and losing, he was still winning matches at the Challenger level.

    Britton is still losing 1st rd Futures.

    You dont build up confidence getting WCs and losing, you get confidence from winning.

    Due to DYs losing streak with the WCs, everybody realized in hindsight that it probably wasnt a good idea. Because it was bad for his confidence and development.

    What's ridiculous is your misinterpretation of what I said. I never said DY was the only person worthy of WCs, I said just because he has gotten alot doesnt mean you give them to other people if they havent done anything to deserve the WCs, ie winning jr GSs, winning Kalamazoo, etc.

    Remember my question, would you give Rhyne Williams a bunch of WCs??
     
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    Don't get the relevance of this conversation, as Young has been qualifying at events lately - I think he qualified at IW before he beat Murray and I know he had to qualify at the slams. I think he had to play qualies at USO last year as well, though I could be mistaken. He got into DC via direct acceptance, not a WC.
     
  16. Topaz

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    I've had the pleasure of seeing two of his matches this week, and I'm quite impressed!
     
  17. jokinla

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    Kendrick, Sweeting, Bogomolov(who evidently was off the tour for a bit, so he really could have used the help), all 3 have shown results, worthy of WC's, Bobby Reynolds, Rajeev Ram(who has won a tour level event), etc. All of these players could have benefited from WC's over the last several years in place of DY, and all have shown they are capable at the pro level, not the junior level which is a completely different game. As I've already stated, you come out of juniors, fine, you've earned your WC's for a year to two, and then that's it, you've had your shot, make it or break it.
    As for Britton losing, that's pretty much all DY has done on the tour level until this year, so Britton shouldn't have been shunned just for that reason, although we aren't exactly comparing apples to apples when comparing these two players, but someone on his level with his accomplishments before turning pro has earned a couple years of help, but that would be it a couple years help, and then there is someone else who could use a boost onto the scene.
    Kudla, Sock, Johnson, would of course fall into the latest group of guys deserving due to their pre-pro accomplishments, and I don't know Williams, but if he fits the bill then, award him so yes, it looks like he won some futures, so he deserves a shot.
    My original comment was Michael Russell has earned his spot on tour while DY has WC to thank for his and until very recently this is the case, hopefully he will maintain his play and this conversation will be over and others players will be thankful for the extra WC, if not, he has been given his nine lives, plenty of other players deserve theirs as well.
     
  18. jokinla

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    There was conversation of Russell and Donald dating back two weeks ago, and I gave my opinion, which was basically DY has had his share of WC's over the years, versus others who have earned their spot on tour without the aid of those. This year DY has been playing better, but his career as a whole was my point of reference, not just this year.
     
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    This whole thread is amusing. The folks who continue to bash DY would do so no matter if he's wining or losing. I'm sure DY could care less about the people who don't like him. If someone doesn't care for someone, they don't mention them at all. If someone has a deep rooted dislike for someone they've never met personally, then i'd say there's something more going on with them and propose they take a hard look at themselves in the mirror. Wow.
     
  20. jokinla

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    So DY is as worthy as anyone else, because of his Kalamazoo win from 2006, he's still getting mileage out of that. As I said maybe through 08 he can use the I won some junior stuff, but beyond that, no, other pros out there as well as up and coming current juniors can take over the free passes, and I named players that were plenty deserving.
     
  21. Fedace

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    if Donald wins this tournament, will he once again be consider to be the next American Hope ?
     
  22. Harry_Wild

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    Donald is moving up in the Tennis World it seems. He in the semis?
     
  23. Fedace

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    yes he is. i heard Novak has called an emergency meeting with his team, to discuss this new threat.
     
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    OK, so this is his breakthrough year in the end.
    Great for him.
     
  25. pundekman

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    Devin Britton should quit tweeting and spend more time on his game. I keep on seeing his tweets on espn and I do not even know why his tweets go there anyway considering he has done nothing except won an NCAA which was probably a fluke.
     
  26. Rob_C

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    Not sure you know how WCs are normally given out. They normally go to young up & coming players, Harrison, Young, Kudla, Sock, etc, or older, established players coming back from injury, Delpo, Blake, Haas, Ginepri, etc.

    Kendrick is 31, Russell is 33, Reynolds is 29, Bogomolov is 28, Ram is 27 and he won his tourney 2 yrs ago, was in top 100, then didnt defend anything and has since returned to the 150-200 range.

    Wouldnt call any of them young, up & coming, or older, established, coming back from injury.

    Britton is losing 1st rd at Futures tourneys. Thats bad. Im not holding any tour level losses against him. He's losing in Futures & Futures qualies, some times to players who arent even ranked on tour.

    As for this yr, DY has played in 11 tour level events, plus 6 CH so far. Of those 11, this is the breakdown, 1 WC, 5 DA, 4 Q, 1 LL.

    Thats a far cry from 'Russell has earned his place on tour while DY has WCs to thank for his place on tour'.

    Now, last yr the breakdown was 1 Q, 5 WC, 15 CH.

    '09, 2 WC, 1 Q, 1 LL, 13 CH, 1 FU

    '08, 3 WC, 16 DA, 1 Q, 5 CH

    Since you named pretty much all old guys, and the young guys you named are getting WCs, you're welcome to try again to name some more deserving players who have not been getting WCs.
     
  27. jaggy

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    Big props to the Donald for going this deep.
     
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    Wow, Donald Young finally going deep into a top level ATP tournament. :shock:

    Great to see.
     
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    It's amazing how the haters have quieted down with his run to the semis.
    They will inevitably resurface en masse with a sub par performance but until then...Go Donald!!
     
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    Prince is trying to exploit this event as much as possible. They are saying they took a NO good journeyman cheap talent of Donald Young and made him into top 10 player....:)
     
  31. jokinla

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    DY is in year seven of his career, he is no longer up & coming, he is a journeyman with a 19-53 record, he had a great junior career and has struggled in the pros, if we are still giving him WC's after 3-4 years, then other pros battling it out in the challengers should be just as worthy, and by rankings and results they certainly are, as DY is. My original statement was Russell has earned his spot on tour while DY has WC's to thank for his, and this isn't fantasy, it's reality. You objected to this labeling of DY, and have since twisted and convoluted this into, well who is "more worthy" than DY, no not those players, try again, well the fact of the matter is, every year there is a new NCAA champ and other junior players, that if were given WC's for years on end, could lose just as many matches as DY and probably sometime in that seven year time span would eventually start to win matches. You can continue to object to the fact that DY has had more WC given to him than any player over the last six years, but it won't make it any less truthful.
     
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    For the record I don't dislike DY in an way, I was simpling pointing out, after he mustered 3 games against Russell in Atlanta, that he has benefited more than any US player over the years from WC's. Hopefully he will continue playing well and will turn his career around, unfortunately this usually doesn't happen, but he is an American player and I love to see them do well.
     
  33. Rob_C

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    I guess this is our dividing point right here. Yes he's been a 'pro' for 7 yrs, but he is still up & coming because he just turned 22 last month.

    He got the majority of those WCs when he was 16/17, maybe 1/2 of them, not sure.

    They certainly have tapered off to only 1 WC this yr so far.

    My challenge still remains for you to name these younger players that are more deserving of WCs.

    The pt of who's more deserving is a valid one. Just b/c DY had gotten alot of WCs does that mean you automatically give them to someone else, even if they're losing 1st rd Futures constantly (Britton) , what if they havent done anything. Do you not give the WCs out?? Wimby has done that in the past. Is that what you want??

    I havent twisted anything. There are multiple WCs given out per tournament, 3-4 for a 32 draw, 6-8 for 1000s, 8 for slams. Just b/c DY gets a WC doesnt mean no one else gets one.

    And Sweeting has gotten multiple WCs also, not as many as DY, but he's gotten them.

    Lastly, DY has earned his place on tour. You earn your way by winning, not by getting WCs & losing. All you get from that is a 1st rd paycheck, no points.
     
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    Not surprised to see Stepanek completely dismantle DY. Regardless, DY had his most successful tournament run to date, and hopefully he starts having some good results in the top tournaments consistently now.
     
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    Nice . . he storms off the court, signs no autographs. I'm not a fan.
     
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    Hey, you never know...maybe he'll pick up a few points at Winston-Salem. I think he's going to be there unless he's gonna be going through qualies at the Open.
     
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    He got a WC into Winston Salem so I think that means he's also getting a WC into the US Open.

    I doubt he'd skip the US Open to play Winston-Salem, even though Baghdatis chose not to play the US Open qualies the yr his ranking dropped after he didnt get a WC.
     
  38. jokinla

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    Two more tournaments and two more WC's for DY, lol. Sorry, I couldn't help myself.
     
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    "His run this week assures Young of returning to the top 100 in Monday’s ATP rankings. He still must qualify for the U.S. Open’s main draw."

    I posted this on another topic; but I just wanted to know why he needs to qualify again since the main draw is 128 players. I thought the cut off was 100 not including wildcards and qualifiers.
     
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    There was a cut off date for rankings in order to get straight into main draw. It's what stunk so bad about him having to qualify for the French Open...he had earned the ranking but just missed the cut off date for direct entry into main draw. Hence the twitter meltdown.

    He deserves wild cards into these summer hard court tournaments. He's working hard and playing better and better.
     
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    Very interesting. I wonder if the USTA will give him a wild card into the US Open after the twitter fiasco in May.
     
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    It be would be ironic if he couldn't even qualify for the US Open.
     
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    When is the cutoff date for entry into the USO? After D.C., Young's ranking will be in the top 100, fairly close to the automatic entry cutoff for a Slam.
     
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    Can someone explain how this happened? I've seen Young play multiple times - once earlier this year - and he was really, really bad. I really couldn't fathom him getting anywhere in the main ATP tour - he seemed destined to be one of those guys who spent most of his time on the Challenger circuit. I was staggered when he beat Murray at Indian Wells.

    Has his game changed completely? Did he get an easy draw? Is he just on fire this week?
     
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    The Murray win was more about Murray's horrible and indifferent play than Young's play, so that's not really an issue.

    As for his run to the semis in DC, I don't know how to explain it. But, think of it in a larger context. He IS the 130-something ranked player in the world. Although he hasn't come close to to achieving what some people thought he would, he's not exactly a BAD player. We've seen plenty of players ranked 100-150 upset top players, win a few round at slams, make a deep run at a non-Slam tournament. It happens. It's not like it's unprecedented.

    And, he played fairly well, and got a decent draw. His first round opponent was lower-ranked than him. Melzer retired in the second round, though DY was comfortably ahead and deserves credit for being so. Great job beating Russell (who beat DY 6-0 6-3 just a few weeks earlier) in the Rnd of 16, though not exactly the toughest opponent one can imagine. And, then a really good win over Bahgdatis, who isn't going to overpower DY.

    I think it's just timely good play combined with a decent draw. His game has real weaknesses, but he does have some talent, has great hands, very good speed, and being a lefty helps a little.

    I don't think that DY is going to be a world-beater just because of this result. But maybe he can at least make a jump from primarily challengers and a 100-140 ranking to being a 'serviceable" pro, ranked 65-99 (his August 8, 2011 ranking is #89), auto entry into Slams, and some more results like DC (or even something as simple as the QF of an APT 250), mixed in with the normal first and second round losses that players of that rank have. IF he can do that for a while, get used to playing better players, gain some confidence, then maybe he can make another jump into 35-55ish range.
     
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    Well, only one so far. The US Open WCs havent been announced yet.

    However, I havent seen you post anything about Harrison's WCs. He's gotten one for Cinci, and he'll probably get one for the US Open. That's gonna put him at 9 for this yr alone!!

    Thats almost what DY got over 2 yrs. Any comments about how Harrison has WCs to thank for his place on tour?? Dont forget, DY got the bulk of his WCs from 2005-2006, 3 in 2007.

    Also, before the WC in ATL, the last WC he got was in the US Open last yr, 11 months prior. But, I guess in that 11 month span, he did nothing to earn his place on tour, if I'm understanding you correctly.
     
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    The entry deadline/cutoff date for tour level events is 6 weeks prior to the Monday the tournament starts. So, for the US Open, it was July 18th.
     
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    You can't even compare Harrison to DY, he has shown that he is for real and has more promise than DY ever will. First off, before he was even pro he won his first tour level match at 15, beating a clay court specialist on clay. Not to diminish DY's junior achievements, but while DY was winning junior events, Harrison was beating top 100 pro men, on their best surface, so he set himself apart right there.
    As for his WCs, I've already said there is nothing wrong with getting them your first few years on tour, but beyond that is too much, and Harrison's ranking is high enough that soon he won't be needing WC's, and certainly won't need one for the US Open, he's top 80 currently. And the WC's he gets he makes the most out of, winning multiple matches at IW, beating Raonic, who was as hot as anyone, other than Djoker, and giving Fed a decent match, he went deep in Atlanta, and LA and qualifying, rather than getting WC's into all the majors this year, his Aussie WC was one he earned by winning the playoff, so no Harrison in no way has WC's to thank for his place on tour, he's showing that he could be the next great American player by winning plenty of matches against quality opponents and giving guys at the top problems as well.
    You are really reaching when you try and compare Harrison and DY.
    And on DY doing better this year, he has been earning his way a little more, better late than never I guess, but my original comment was referencing his entire career, not just this year.
     
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    If this is the case, then perhaps Harrison would have to get a WC into the US Open, but I'm sure in your wildest DY fantasies, if there only one to give, you wouldn't give it to DY over Harrison?
     
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    Just be correct on facts Harrison got into Wimbledon and French as a LL as he lost in final round of qualifying, not to mention being fined in both for behavior issues
     

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