The Edberg kicker

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  1. LeeD

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    Nah, I know nothing about mechanics.
    But if you'd care to read your own post, and the recent 3, you'll find people have problems trying the low toss, and that includes pro players, which is why very few adopt a toss that is only as high as the strikezone.
    Shoulder problems ensue.
    As for Pancho, don't look at the posts, LOOK AT THE VID! Nobody would teach his motion nowadays. It worked then because he was a superior athlete and 6'4" tall, a giant compared to his contemporary's.
    LOOK AT THE VID, then you can criticize what I say.
     
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  2. DarthMaul

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    WOW! Jim Courier looks just like Thomas Berdych! Or viceversa!
     
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  3. mental midget

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    somewhere in an internet cafe, a man in a tattered surf shirt and kleenex boxes on his feet is composing a pointed rebuttal, summoning all the credibility of having eaten half of colin dibley's egg salad sandwich at the 1976 transamerica open.
     
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  4. Datacipher

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    This is one of the greatest posts ever made here. You Sir are quite astute!
     
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    Edberg had the Greatest kick serve in history of tennis. It was better than Sampras but not as fast. It was only hit around 100 mph or so but kicked about the Head height of 9 feet tall man. If i had his serve, i could easily play in the futures events....
     
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  6. 35ft6

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    Not even sure if LeeD deserves this, but funniest post I've seen in a while.

    I can see how a quick serve hitting the ball on its way up during the toss could put extra stress on the shoulder, though. With a regular toss, the swing can gain speed and momentum at a much easier rate. Hit it on the way up, you have to go from zero to 80 in an instant. A person with a "regular" motion, from the moment the ball leaves the hand to the moment the racket hits it, would have 3 or 4 times more, um, time than a person who hits it on the way up, no? I can see how that might be extra hard on the shoulder.
     
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  7. Ripper014

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    Not really it is all about the timing... you can start your service motion first and delay your toss to meet the ball at its peak. Like I said I can do it... but I like what I consider a more fluid motion where both arms start the service motion at the same time. When I have done it... I usually get an ace or a service winner... and they wonder that the heck did I just see.
     
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  8. Datacipher

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    Indeed. Most people with low tosses, toss the ball later relative to the racquet arm motion and/or use a more compact backswing.

    But also, the VAST majority of racquet acceleration always takes place, after the racquet has reached the bottom of the backscratch drop. That is true for everybody. In fact, some think that what relatively little acceleration you gain during the backswing, helps put less stress on the body in a low toss, because low-tossers tend to have a more continuous swing. If you pause at any time during the backswing, (as most high tossers do), or even slow down signficantly, all acceleration must procede from that point anyways. The vast majority of servers, pause, if they pause, after the backswing, before the racquet goes into the "backscratch" loop behind the back. That is where acceleration for the forward swing really begins, with the biggest speed coming, as I said, out of the bottom of the backscratch loop to the impact point. That doesn't change.

    So you see, don't confuse time between toss and hit, with time to accelerate the swing. The actual forward swing is very quick for all servers and, will be about the same, and begin about the same time before impact, assuming you ultimately get the same speed at impact.

    Again, if for some reason you rush, or are tighter, or don't achieve proper extension, then sure, it can be harder on the arm. Those things apply to high-tossers as well.
     
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  9. Ripper014

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    What more is there to add...?
     
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  10. pmerk34

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    Edberg's forehand was not very good and in this day and age he would never hit it that way anyway,
     
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  11. bluetrain4

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    Well, he didn't "make it" in singles in the sense of winning a Slam, but he did win 5 tourneys, was a finalist in 8 tourneys, including Wimbledon and the AO (losin to Becker in 4 sets and Wilander in 4 sets, respectively), and reached No. 5 in the rankings.

    So, in a larger context, he made it.
     
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  12. boris becker 1

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    becker had a pretty good 2nd serve as well.
     
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