The End of a (Personal) Era: BounceHitBounceHit Abandons Wilson!!

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  1. BounceHitBounceHit

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    Just a quick update, as a more detailed explanation will require time not presently allotted me by my busy practice and three sons, BUT after nearly 30 years with a Wilson Pro Staff 85 or 90 in hand 90+% of the time I've spent on court (and I've spent a LOT of time on court in the past 30 years!), the winds of change are a blowing.

    In short, I've abandoned the Wilson Pro Staff 90's in favor of the Dunlop Biomimetic Max 200G, a NINETY EIGHT SQUARE INCH frame. Now mind you the frames have all been matched to my favored spec (see signature), and still sport a full bed of Luxilon BB Ace 18 @ 66#. BUT, the Red W is no longer flown by yours truly.

    Full review to follow of the Max 200G, but suffice it to say I've had the same reaction to it I had the first time I hit a PS 85. Namely, it felt 'right'. Do you think they'll be making these things 30 years from now, or should I stock up?? :) ;)

    Best,

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    R.I.P. Let us all pour out a little for the fallen homie ;-)
     
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  3. Bartelby

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    You and Sampras, both.
     
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  4. roundiesee

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    First Jolly ditches his PS for a Prestige, and now you......... this can't be happening?? :(
     
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  5. AlfaAce

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    What took you so long ;) ? Fantastic stick!
     
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    Hey BHBH,

    Very much looking forward to your review. I have been thinking of trying the MAX myself.
     
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  7. corners

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    BHBH,

    Shocked, dismayed. Nah, just curious. Will you include short reviews of other frames you tried before settling on the 200G? I think it would be interesting to hear about your entire K90 to 200G journey.

    I think you'd better stock up ;-)
     
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  8. Rabbit

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    It happens to the best of us (so why did it happen to me?)...

    You leave the old school, the very old school, for something a little more "user friendly". That's how it starts. The next thing you know, you'll get a cholesterol test that doesn't come back so good and your doctor will recommend more of the stuff that doesn't taste so good.....then you'll notice that things that used to flex now sort of hang.....then you'll start looking at some 100 sq in frames and think "you know, they really aren't that big after all". Then, you'll start to get tired playing with that ultra heavy (teehee) 12 ounce frame. You'll lose to some old(er) farts who play with Big Bubba's (or at least that's how they look across the net). You'll go to senior sectionals and notice all the teaching pros you're playing against and how they use what we used to call Granny sticks. You'll begin to question the very nature of your participation in the sport, why are you holding yourself back with this antiquated equipment when even the pros are playing with the light, big stuff.... You'll start reading the boards more thoroughly. Where once you didn't know what string or tension you had in your frame and didn't care, you'll begin to wonder "Is that dampener really that heavy?". You'll ask people if the poly you're using is really the most arm friendly after you feel that twinge in your arm. You'll question your tension after seeing the quote from Nate Ferguson "String as loosely as you can control". Then, and this really seals it, you'll play doubles and notice that you are not only the oldest guy on the court, but old enough to be at least two of the players' father. You'll see them, right out of college, swinging some stick that your mother wouldn't play with and knocking the felt off the ball. You'll ask them "what kind of string are you using" and they'll shrug and smile. You'll know deep down they're thinking "it wouldn't matter to your game if I knew or told you". Then you'll find yourself, not getting to balls....not because you can't, but because you're afraid to because if you push off too hard, if you run with too much effort, the calf might tear or that hamstring give up the ghost mid-stride. And you'll dread the days when folks wonder if you're going to play tennis or scuba dive because you have so much neoprene on your body.

    But....then there are the good days and they are better than they ever were when you were younger. There are those days when you beat the kids on court who played in college and look at you and wonder how in the hell you did that (without lobbing and slicing and dicing [which is after all the final stage]). You'll get invited to play with some guys who are leveled above you, but kinda like the fact that an old, fat fart can still hit the ball. And, you'll learn to appreciate those days....and you won't react when you have a bad day because, after all, even Federer has 'em. ;)

    So, I say....goodbye Wilson.....wait, I just bought Wilson frames, my first since the n90 and before that the P'staff 85! I guess life really does travel in small circles.
     
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  9. corners

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    Post of the year.
     
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  10. Kevin T

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    Great post (as always), Rabbit. Two shocking discoveries in this thread:

    1. BHBH is no longer swinging a Staff
    2. Rabbit drops the Prince for the new Steam?! Dats interestin'.
     
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  11. roundiesee

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    Is it the Steam Rabbit is talking about, or a Prostaff? Rabbit- which Wilson did you buy?
     
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    I have mine at 12.2 oz... Sweet frame!
     
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    This is kinda beautiful...

     
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  14. Kevin T

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    Yep, Big R has Wilson Steam 99S in his sig.
     
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  15. roundiesee

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    But the Steam 99S isn't a "Prostaff"..... :(
     
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    OK, and first let me say thanks for the props; now the history lesson.....

    Once upon a time, there was a poor Rabbit whose tennis expenditures were controlled by an evil, stern, ehhhhh let's call her "Better Half". Now that Better Half didn't play tennis and thought...one racquet is as good as another. She made the poor Rabbit play with wood when all his friends were playing with Prince Pros....

    She did agree to let the poor Rabbit buy Wilson ProStaffs after he wore out his ProKennex Silver Aces. The poor rabbit played with them for what seemed decades... And she made him play with them long after the wide body craze. Alas, poor Rabbit was the only player on the courts sporting a 'normal' stick.

    But, the Better Half was an educator and as Rabbit's stock rose, he began to demand equality!

    Now a days, Rabbit kind of wishes that the Better Half would make him play with one frame and quit buying....frustrating it is!

    1987 - ProStaff
    2000 - n90
    2012 - 99S

    lesson ends....
     
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  17. BounceHitBounceHit

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    Did I miss something? Did Samoras change to the Dunlop Max 200 G? :) Best, BHBH
     
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  18. BounceHitBounceHit

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    Beautiful, just beautiful. In fact, I'm a little misty. :) Best, BHBH
     
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  19. tennisntn3477

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    BHBH...how's that one handed backhand drive with the Dunlop?
     
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  20. movdqa

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    I sold the KPS88s that I got from you a while ago along with all of my other 90s. So no more 90s in the house. Just 95/98s and two 100s. I've been meaning to sell the 100s but I've just been too lazy.

    I would stock up on a frame that I liked. I think that it's a little easier for you because you can get the customized easily and you can always get more of the model on the used market. I got four matched of my current frame which should be good for at least the next ten years. I don't even care as much about the frame as I do that they're matched.
     
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  21. Rabbit

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    thanks a ton, BHBH and it is great to see you posting. I was/am feeling very nostalgic. I'm 54, and it seems like not too long ago, I was the kid who was playing with the men..... Around home, all the men played with Head Graphite Directors. I couldn't afford one, so I used a Wilson Kramer ProStaff. Then, I woke up one day and I was the old fart on court. :) I also have a daughter graduating from college, so I'm about to enter a new phase in life....one where my wife and I are working for ourselves and hopefully will have access to untold cash! :) It is amazing how much college costs, I am just very thankful that she will graduate and do so without any debt.

    getting old ain't so bad.
     
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  22. BounceHitBounceHit

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    Still my best shot! :)

    Hope you are well my friend. Do you ever hear from Sam-stah?

    Best, BHBH
     
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  23. BounceHitBounceHit

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    Yes, I am very much spoiled by Geoff's incredible stringing and precision frame matching skills! :)

    Looks like some die-hard 90 fans (yourself, Jo11y, and I) are making the switch to 98's!!

    Best,

    BHBH
     
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  24. BounceHitBounceHit

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    Congratulation to you, your wife, and your daughter! :)

    We've added two new boys to Team BHBH. Both show untold athletic promise on the court. :)

    And as for the highlighted text, it's like my grandmother always said, "It beats the heck out of the alternative!!" :)

    Best,

    BHBH
     
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  25. tennisntn3477

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    And a wonderful shot it is!! Great paint job on that Dunlop you've chosen...some very fond memories with the original. Sam came through in early fall last year but I was headed out of town and didn't get the chance to hit with him. Hopefully we'll get him back in TN some day soon! All the best to you!
     
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  26. asifallasleep

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    He'll be back. Nothing feels as plush and is as maneuverable as a thin beam Wilson. I've tried to leave so any times I've lost count. Liaisons with Becker, Head, Babolat, Prince, Dunlop all ended in heartache. Nothing is as wonderful as holding hands with my thin beamed Wilson's!!!!

    Decades ago I did play with the original Dunlop Max 200G. What a beastly amazing club that thing was!!!
     
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  27. BounceHitBounceHit

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    Thanks buddy! Sorry you missed Samstah! All the best to you as well. BHBH
     
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  28. BounceHitBounceHit

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    I've rarely, if ever, liked a frame as much as these new Max 200G's. I may be gone for real this time. Maybe.......... ;) BHBH
     
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  29. TennisMD

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    So I AM NOSTOLGIC, this reminds me of the days when BHBH used a different moniker, Rabbit was Rabbit and I was and still am Tennis MD NoBadMojo was in the mix. As I recal BHBH and I are in the medical professsion so the it beats the alternative is so true. I like Rabbit have a daughter, 2 yrs out of college now and successfully in the finance world. So its good to be an empty nester still helathy and having fun at this great sport, not as quick as in my track and field days but I realize I have a profession medicine and Tennis is to release stress and have fun, hiting now with Donnay pro one and enjoying it, very solid, good power and I can control it ; so high to all the old timers although BHBH is younger, happy and continued long hitting. I assume Nobad has retired
     
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  30. Lambsscroll

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    Since you mentioned stocking up, why not stock up on the other 'felt right racket'. Plenty of those floating around and you can buy new ones at TW.
     
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  31. BounceHitBounceHit

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    Great to hear from you! :)

    Yes, still in the medical profession and still trying to keep up with Geoff!

    The Donnays always intrigued me. What are the specs? Of course if Fed keeps struggling I will have to go back to my BLX PS 90's (to keep the Ju-Ju good! ;) )

    As for NoBadMojo, I think he still posts, but under the a new moniker as well, namely NBM. :)

    Best,

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  32. BounceHitBounceHit

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    Believe it or not, I still play really well with the PS 85. :) In fact, there's only one frame with which I serve better, and I can't do anything else with it(the Babolat Pure Drive). Not a bad idea......................Geoff, are you ready to start customizing? :)

    BHBH
     
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  33. Rabbit

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    You weren't done in by the retro paint were you? ;)

    TennisMD, long time....good to see you!

    I hit tonight with a doctor, which kinda sort lets me join the medical.....well maybe not.

    Tonight, Father Time was very, very generous. We were drilling, and the doc tweaked his twice scoped knee. So, I suggested we work on volleys so he wouldn't have to move too much. Later, when he loosened up, he asked if he could serve to me and then play the point out crosscourt. I gotta tell ya guys, this 99S and loosely strung poly let me just plain whale on the ball. I was hitting forehands and backhands basically as hard as I could swing (I can curl nearly 10 pounds ;) ) and the ball was spinning like a top and about 2 inches over the net.

    The weather was cool and dry for Mississippi anyway and we hit for two hours. Then, we were bumped (off the court) by 4 good looking Southern women. I came home to a glass of Pinot Noir and salmon croquets.

    Gentlemen, life is good.
     
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  34. TennisMD

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    So The pro ones I have come in at 11.9 oz strung about 4 pts head light. recently trying a hybrid of vs Gut 16 mains at 54, RPM blast crosses at 50, took it for a match yesterday and liked it nice comfort , power plenty but I could still control it. Good hitting
     
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  35. TennisMD

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    Sounds like you are really enjoying the 99 S. Good to be healthy as well.
    With the salmon I might have gone for the CharDonnay to go with my racquet eww pun intended.
    Good hitting from a Yankee colleague
     
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  36. BounceHitBounceHit

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    Update: STILL loving the Max 200G! :)

    The single biggest difference between this frame and every other I've tried measuring >90si is the sense of precision it offers. I also feel as if I can take a full cut at the ball without fear of it flying. Something else missing from the experience with most of the larger headed frames.

    Stay tuned, more to come! ;)

    BHBH
     
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    Seriously fantastic frame. My only complaint is it's a bit heavy on my (1H) backhand side (unlike the PD2012). Yeah, I guess I need to hit the gym :) Isn't getting old fun?
     
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  38. BounceHitBounceHit

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    I don't mind the weight at all, but I generally prefer a heavier frame, period. :) Best, BHBH
     
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    Rabbit is the gpoat.
     
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  40. roundiesee

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    CC, doesn't the Bio 200 come closer to the specs and feel of the Prostaff, rather than the 200G?
     
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  41. BounceHitBounceHit

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    Geoff customizes all the frames to my preferred spec. :) BHBH
     
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    This is the greatest thing ever. Classic.
     
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  43. AlfaAce

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    Plus 1!!! GOAT post!!! They should just close the thread now.
     
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  44. BounceHitBounceHit

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    OK, so that didn't last long................ :oops:

    I'm not sure if it was a fugue state, or some other kind of dissociative experience, but at the end of the day I need to see the Big Red W stencil on my frames. ;) So, I'm back to Wilson, now using the (slightly, stiffer, ever so slightly more powerful) KPS 88. And it's turned out famously. The extra power of the KPS 88 is now a welcome thing, but the 'feel' is still there.

    Don't get me wrong, the Dunlop's are GREAT. I don't plan on selling them, rather holding on for the day when it finally IS time to move to bit stiffer, larger headed frame. But for now............well let's just say that day's not YET come. ;) :twisted:

    Best,

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  45. SandVolley

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    I'm new. May I ask. How many sets of singles do you play per week with the kps 88. Also how long are your hitting sessions and how many times a week. I'm trying to gauge how much people play with the kps before getting tired.
     
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  46. Geoff

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    Hello SandVolley

    I am without question BHBH's most frequent hitting partner. We usually do heavy drilling, drop hit point play and tiebreakers. BHBH has never once complained of fatigue or being tired due to the KPS88. He has played with a variety of the Wilson 90s through the years at static weights ranging from 343-364g and swing weights at 335 on up. These specs are "light" compared to the standard racquet days of the early 1980's and before. In my opinion it is a matter of the feel you are looking for and what feels most comfortable to the individual player.
     
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  47. BounceHitBounceHit

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    Welcome to TTW. :)

    I play four or five times a week. A typical session consists of a brief warm up followed by uninterrupted (except for a couple of short water/towel breaks) drop/hit, full speed point play. We will then move on to serve/return practice and last, tie-breakers. The sessions are usually 90-120 mins long on weekdays and bit longer on weekends (when work is not calling!)

    Concerning game style: I consider myself an all court player. I certainly don't think anyone would call my play 'unconventional', nor is it based primarily on touch. In fact, just the opposite. I rely on consistency, depth, and spin to get a short ball and then attack. My mechanics are 'classic'. :)

    Regarding the equipment, even though I enjoy demo'ing frames (it's part of my love of the game!) I've played basically the same frame (the Wilson PS 85/Pro Staff 90 series) for a very long time. My specs have also remained pretty consistent. I like to 'tinker' to get frames to perform the way I want them to perform. Having both played and tinkered a long time, I have a good feel for what needs to be done to get a frame where I like it. :) This frame feels best a bit heavier, and personally I just don't experience fatigue that is related to the frame. I DO experience fatigue related to Geoff's consistency, depth, shot selection, and incredible movement!!! ;)

    Finally, Geoff is correct-I'm back with the KPS 88 primarily because I prefer it to the current BLX Tour 90. I may switch back once a new iteration is released at this year's AO.
     
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  48. BreakPoint

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    Hey BHBH,

    How's it going? Long time no talk. I just stumbled upon this thread for the first time.

    May I ask what you like about the Bio Max 200G? Like some others here, I'm a bit stunned that you were able to make such direct and drastic transition from the Wilson Pro Staff 85s and 90s to what is essentially a tweener like the current Bio Max 200G.

    I actually have one of the TW demos of the Bio Max 200G right now but have only hit with it once for about 10 minutes. I know the strings are very tight in the demos and much tighter than I usually string my own racquets, but I found the feel to be a bit boardy and the frame stiffer than what I'm used to. The thick beam also felt uncomfortable in my left hand when cradling it to set up for my 1HBH or when receiving serve, since I'm so used to thin 17/18mm beams. Anyway, it's such a different racquet from what I'm used to, I wonder if I could adjust to it as easily as you did. I have to say that when I found out you had switched to this racquet, I was both shocked and perplexed. So much so that I had to include this racquet in my demo order just to see if there was something about this racquet that is not apparent in its specs. And since it seems we have usually liked the same types of racquets over the years, I had to find out if I would like it too since you liked it enough to switch to it. :)

    Hope all is well.
     
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  49. roundiesee

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    I knew it all along, welcome back! :)
     
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  50. corners

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    Funny thing, that Wilson graphite/kevlar box beam feel. BHBH, did you run out of AK90s? Does the US K90 not suit you? Just curious why you went straight to the KPS88 rather than hunt up some US90s.
     
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