The fall of World No 1

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  1. mrDamien

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    It's time to say goodbye to both ATP and WTA world No 1 after dominant the tour for so many years. Totally funny and weird as both falling at the same times. Maybe it's time to change for new faces :twisted:.

    Crown World No 1 2008:

    ATP - Nadal
    WTA - Sharapova
     
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  2. Mansewerz

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    Isn't it awesome how the ATP men's world number 1 is 800 pts ahead of the number 2?
     
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    I do think Federer and Henin are gonna have some trouble winning slams from here on out, not that winning slams is ever easy. They are not through with the number 1 spot yet.... by the way, Nadal and Sharapova would be number 1 for no more than a few months, if even.
     
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    Sharapova? lol isnt she ranked no.5 in the world...
     
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  5. vndesu

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    i disagree.
    i just hate how ppl are like
    feds never gonna win or falling.

    you'll never know.
     
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    Fixed and proven.
     
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  8. crawl4

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    atp: fed

    your so pessimistic you federer haters
     
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    it sure is. I wonder what the OP drank that messed up his head?
     
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  10. shell

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    and the WTA world number 1 is 2100 pts. ahead of the number 2, and about 2600 above number 5. It will be a while.
     
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  11. Wuornos

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    I don't think the idea that Maria Sharapova may succeed Justine Henin at #1 is to far fetched. Based on her quality of play at the moment rather than her official world ranking which is disproporionately influenced by her shoulder injury in the 2nd half of 2007, I would say that Sharapova is Justine's main challenger at the moment.

    Having said that, I still think it's premature to regard Justine's reign as over. I always view players from two perspectives. Their underlying playing standard and their current form. Their underlying playing standard moves much more slowly and is not not effected by the more transient issues of personal problems, minor injuries, self confidence etc. The form side moves around the underlying playing standard, sometimes being higher, but sometimes being lower for the reasons previously mentioned. I think Sharapova is at this stage experiencing a uich vein of form while Justine is undergoing the oppoiste. I don't think the evidence is yet sufficient to say that the underlying playing standards now show Justine as being weaker than anyone else in the world beyond any reasonable doubt. I think we need to wait and see how Justine performs in the clay court season before we might have sufficient evidence to believe this to be the case without being premature.

    All that I have said above also goes as read in relation to Federer. In fact the evidence regarding Federer's underlying standard is so massive that personall I wouldn't be confident in predicting his demise as the best player in the world, even on a temporary basis (official rankings aside) until at least the end of the 2008 year!

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  12. Vector

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    If anyone is becoming #1 this year, it will be the joker.
     
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  13. mrDamien

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    Fed is falling. Just accept the fact, dude. It's going to happen soon.
     
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  14. mrDamien

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    You must be kidding me. Djokovic does not has the strength and ability to become world no 1.
     
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  15. mrDamien

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    Clay season is coming. Nadal could easily chase the 800 pts ahead of Fed.
     
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  16. bluescreen

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    no, in fact clay season is the last place nadal could obtain the #1 ranking. most of nadal's points come on clay, so he cant gain any more points since he's won every tournament he plays on clay (minus hamburg, but he got to the final there). if nadal slips up even once, he's due for a world of hurt and it'll give fed a chance to further the gap between him and nadal and also give joker a chance to reach at #2.
     
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    People continue to forget this, Fed's lead is might cushy right now actually.
     
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  18. Tennis_Monk

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    So going forward, mrDamien will decide the seedings instead of players playing it out for points. Makes all our lives easier.

    Please can you seed me at 15. while we are at it please have my cousin at 19 and ...well you get the point.
     
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  19. chiru

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    Actually You have a pretty good point here. This is basically the most impossible season in which nadal could increase his ranking points. but it IS the most likely season that roger will lose points. it's my very strong opinion that roger's worst surface is clay, and not because he lost to nadal so many times, but I think he will be more vulnerable to other lower ranked players on clay, namely because he can't out "fed" them like he has in years past. he neither has the dominant swagger that he did, nor the crisp movement, both, IMO the keys to his being the dominant no.2 claycourter.

    as a side: i hate it when topics like these pretentiously announce predictiosn of federer's time being up, and it being nadal's time etc. etc. look dudes I've wanted nadal to take the no.1 ranking since 05, but I'm SO SICK of seeing such rampant fed hate after a few losses that i almost hope fed kicks everyone's ass from now on (except nadal, cuz he's still my fav). especially djoko, i hope fed never loses to djoko ever again.
     
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  20. Stchamps

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    I don't think Roger has many points at all to defend on clay, so he could easily gain points this season.
     
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  21. chiru

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    well, he made the finals of monte carlo, won hamburg, and the finals at rolland garros. maybe thats just me, but I'm pretty sure thats the second greatest no. of clay court points of anyone on tour. I think you're counting in "wat if he does super well at estoril, and in rome" where he doesn't have many points to defend. well i still think thats a big if because he still needs to defend 1 major final and 1 masters final and a masters win, thats a huge no. of points. but im a little lazy in doing the exact math. could he gain points? absolutely. Do I see him losing more than he gains, IMO probably.
     
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  22. NovakWannabe

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    Yes my friend, indeed...
     
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  23. DashaandSafin

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    Do you people even think before you post? Or you post garbage to increase your post count? Roger has HUGE amounts of points to defend on clay, Nadal has even more. Only joker has points to gain so Fed and Nadal MUST BE in tip top condition for the season to come.
     
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    Nadal will be the number 1 player after the US Open.
     
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  25. miniRafa386

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    my prediction (ATP only)

    1) Nadal
    2) Federer
    3) Djoko
    4) Roddick
    5) Nalbandian
    6) Gasquet
    7) Blake
    8 ) Tsonga
     
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  26. welcome2petrkordaland

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    at year's end for '08:

    1. nadal
    2. federer
    3. djokovic
    4. murray
    5. roddick
    6. nalbandian
    7. tsonga
    8. blake
     
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  27. zagor

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    So you both think that Davydenko will get out of the top 8? Especially with the points he gained in Miami? I can't believe how much the guy is underrated here.
     
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  28. welcome2petrkordaland

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    zagor, you're totally right. just after i posted that prediction, i realized i had left davy out. i like the guy and think he's underrated for sure, and more talented than his horrible record against top 10 players indicates. still, he needs to improve this record and reach his talent. davydenko in all honestly plays so much that he effectively works the system and distorts the true top 5 top 10 rankings. i respect his willingness to play so much but resent how he screws up the pecking order. i just want him to rise to the occasion more in big matches. as a matter of fact, he should do well on the dirt and possibly get to a final or two. so yeah, he stays in top 10 and prob. top 8.

    having said that, yeah, you're right. davydenko stays in the top 10, i'll say at #7, with blake dropping to like 9 or 10.
     
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  29. vndesu

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    yeah but you still got djoko comming up.
    you cant just say nadal is gonna be #1 bc yeah clay is comming but he hasnt won to many tournaments yet.
     
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  30. Lotto

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    This thread is a joke isn't it? Was it posted on April Fools day because if it was you got me good. Federer will be the No.1 ranked player in the world at the end of 2008. Nuff' said.

    After doing the calculations:

    Federer - 6700 points
    Nadal - 6080(If he wins Miami), 5930(If he loses in final)

    So, if Nadal wins it there'll be a 620 point difference and if he loses there'll be a 770 point difference so if you're a fed fan you'll be rooting Davydenko tommorow, well you'll be for him anyway if you're a fed fan.
     
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  31. welcome2petrkordaland

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    Nice buzz, Lotto. and that's the way to support your arguments with evidence.

    But don't panic, this is just an off year for Fed. he'll eventually bite the bullet, get a coach, and make a comeback after losing the #1 ranking to either Nadal or Djokovic at the end of this year. He'll still break Sampras' record but he won't be #1 at the time, not to suggest he won't earn the #1 ranking again after temporarily losing it at the end of this year.
     
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  32. sureshs

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    The fall of the 1-handed backhand has finally happened.
     
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  33. fastdunn

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    world of tennis revolves around slams. it's too early to call 'the fall of world #1'. if federer loses at early rounds of french open, the fall might happen.
     
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  34. johnny ballgame

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    Not entirely true. Nadal CAN (and likely will) gain on Fed during clay season. Remember, Fed has a HUGE pile of points to defend in clay season as well. I don't see Fed reaching Monte Carlo final, winning Hamburg, or reaching Roland Garros final.
     
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  35. johnny ballgame

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    Eh? Check the '07 results. ;)
     
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  36. superman1

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    Yes, Fed has his work cut out for him, and Nadal is looking pretty good, so we'll see. If Fed could manage to win the French, he'd be pretty well off for the rest of the year. This might be his last shot. Maybe years from now people will look back at this and say, "everyone wrote him off, and in doing so they took some of the pressure off of him, which was exactly what he needed going into the French Open..."
     
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  37. Rob_C

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    Thats not how the rankings are calculated. The four slams, and 9 AMS tournaments are mandatory, the pts from those are on everyone's record, then you take the 5 best results outside of those, and you end up with the final point tally.
     
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    The Rise and Fall of Roger Federer
     
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  39. fastdunn

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    roger is actually stronger player on clay than people think.
     
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  40. Mansewerz

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    Perhaps your forgetting that Federer can play consistently throughout the clay season and doesn't just lose first round matches.
     
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  42. luckyboy1300

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    well he has to defend a finals appearance in monte carlo, 3rd round in rome, and a title in hamburg, and a finals appearance in the FO too.
     
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    This is the truth, for both the men's and women's tours.
     
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    federer is doing better this year than nadal and djokovic based on last years results
     
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  46. tennis_hand

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    exactly my sentiment.

    wrap a cloth over her face..... then u discover there are so many better women players than her.
     
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  47. Morrissey

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    Fed has a crazy load of points to defend from here, especially in the last part of the season. He made the final of Monte Carlo, won Hamburg, final of FO, Wimby champ, final of Montreal, Cincy champ, USO champ, final of Madrid, Shanghai champ. If he doesn't pick up his game from here he's definitely not going to finish #1. We'll see if he can, he better, because if he doesn't, bye bye #1.
     
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    joke does have a lot of points to defend. but then, i doubt he will do well on clay, judging based on his game style.
     
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    Oh yeah...like Ivanovic...Vaidisova and all the others "sharapova wannabees!!!!!"...
     
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  50. mrDamien

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    Count me in. Nadal is going to win Miami, clean sheet on all clay court, Wimby and yeah probably USO.
     
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