The Feds string setup

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  1. Nickac

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    Why does he set it up this way
    Gut in the mains and alu power rough in crosses
    Why not all gut?
    Why not the other way around?
     
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  2. bugeyed

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    Gut in the crosses doesn't make any sense at all!

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  3. Say Chi Sin Lo

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    Because he doesn't care what you think he should do.
     
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  4. Nickac

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    Explain please
     
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  5. drakulie

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    Nick, putting gut in the mains is the way to go. I'll explain:

    the performance you get from your string bed comes primarily from the mains. The crosses sort of act like a suspension system. So, putting the gut in the mains, you are getting power, spin, control, comfort, and putting the poly in the crosses stiffens up the string bed a little adding to the control and spin.

    If you wanted to do it the other way around ( poly mains/gut crosses), you are sort of waisitng a set of gut, because any less expensive multi will do the same thing, which is to soften the string bed.
     
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  6. bugeyed

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    The mains provide for most of the feel & power of a racquet. Putting gut in the crosses is a waste of money. If you are spending the money for gut, use it in the mains where it makes a difference.

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  7. Nickac

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    So you're saying by putting the poly in the crosses are actually increasing control and spin versus just doing a full set of gut?
     
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  8. Hotrocks

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    Drakulie- Is spot on!!! The power, comfort and control is unequaled. But pick a poly that has the best tension resilience, Weiss Canon or Signum Pro, as the gut will outlast the other. Mosuito bite, Scorpion, S/P- Thundedrstorm are great contenders. But....These are the poly's I have tried, we all differ with the feel we have.
     
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  9. heartattack

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    synthetic main and poly cross are good also!
     
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  10. UCSF2012

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    Poly mains is more steady. I hook fewer attack shots wide. Fewer 2nd serves getting away from me. Just use cheap gut in the crosses, like Mamba or Titan. This setup plays well long. When the poly dies, the gut makes up for it. No real loss in power, little loss in placement

    Gut mains is a shade more spinny but a shade more erratic. When poly dies, it gets really erratic. Much more spinny, but lots of hooking the ball wide.
     
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  11. UCSF2012

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    With poly mains, multi crosses, it plays very steady with a good amount of spin. Power drops off significantly compared to gut crosses. Be prepared to swing to the moon.
     
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  12. parasailing

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    Don't forget Ltec 4S or 0S as well.
     
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    Anyone have any idea what tensions Mr. Federer uses on his gut mains and poly crosses ??
     
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  15. Dreamcastin

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    mid to high 40s, usually the gut a couple pounds higher than the poly.
     
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  16. Vcore89

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    Fed's setup varies in regards to weather conditions. Tighter in the colder months. 44 mains and 46 crosses mainly; up to 52 pounds. Always lower on the mains and higher on the crosses.
     
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  17. Vcore89

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    Just fyi, Rafa on the other hand has always stuck with 55 lbs.
     
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  18. Bk_Mais

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    So, whats the difference between going syn/main - poly/cross & poly/main - syn/cross ?
     
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  19. McLovin

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    I truly believe what drakulie said to be 100% spot-on, and it is how I string my frames, however, anyone thinking of a poly hybrid should do the following:

    - choose your strings (gut/poly or multi/poly)
    - choose your tension
    - string two identical racquets at the same time, one with the poly in the cross, one with it in the mains.
    - head out to the courts and attempt a 'blind taste test', where you hit w/ one, then switch to the other, trying to NOT look at the strings (I know, very hard to do).​

    If you like poly in the mains, go with it. If you like poly in the cross, go with that.

    Once you've chosen where you want the poly, possibly try the same setup but swap the other string (e.g., if you used multi, try gut). If you notice a difference, and like one better than the other, then go with it.

    Effectively, don't take our word for it, experience it for yourself. Everyone is different.
     
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  20. bert96

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    Thats not his tension!

    His tension is usually right around 22 kg and he always strings his crosses 1,5 kg looser than his mains
     
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  21. Vcore89

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    22 kg is 48.4 lbs. Did I say it varies according to weather conditions; up to 52 lbs? He strings his racquets with the crosses tighter (I did not get it wrong) than the mains, 2 lbs being the normal range.
     
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  22. bert96

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    this video is the proof http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uQIsp-J71wQ
    sorry its german but you can see he is stringing rogers racquet and the camera man asks him what tension he is using and the stringer says "today he wants 20,5 mains and 19 kilos on the crosses" :wink:
     
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  23. novak.20v

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    I wonder why Andy Murray does it. :confused:
     
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  24. filphil

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    Because he can afford it.
     
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  25. xFullCourtTenniSx

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    Not even close baby~!

    Not even close baby~!

    You string poly looser than gut (obviously). poly is in the mains, therefore, the crosses will be strung looser than the mains.

    Also, 2 lbs is NOT the normal range. It never was. There was a point where it was a 5 lb difference, but Roger usually strings in terms of kg (because he's from the part of the world that's smart enough to use the metric system). He strings with a 1.5 kg difference (~3.3 lbs, so you can say 3 lbs). At one point way back (2004 I think, he strung 55 lbs mains and 50 lbs crosses, which is like 25 kg mains and 23 kg crosses.

    The tension was close enough. How he strung the mains and crosses weren't.
     
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  26. Hotrocks

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    Ltec strings

    Parasailing- I have the Ltec in 3S and OS have yet no try them. Do the Ltec strings feel anything like Tornado, Scorpion, Mosquito Bite ot Thunderstorm? If so may string them up in the crosses w/Pacific gut(classic). Thanks,,,,
     
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  27. bugeyed

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    I thought it was established that Federer used gut in the mains & poly in the crosses!

    Cheers,
    kev
     
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  28. Vcore89

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    It would seem hard to disagree with proof, right? Wrong! How many stringjobs have you gone through with the mighty one, if not here and there (which a/c for nada in total?)?:rolleyes:
     
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  29. Vcore89

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    Thanks for playing. Future-proof it!:rolleyes:
     
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    oh c'mon please realise that you are wrong :roll:
     
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  31. Netspirit

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    He puts some Swiss cheese on his strings to make them snap back easier and produce more topspin. He also uses a few grams of Lindt at 12 o'clock, mainly to maintain the same swingweight and balance across all his rackets.
     
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  32. pvaudio

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    What experience do you have where you are able to refute video evidence and what was even I thought common knowledge? I don't recall Federer stringing the poly tighter than the gut mains either. He even on his website a few years ago said 21.5/20.
     
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  33. Up&comer

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    If you disagree, show your evidence. He showed evidence which has many times been confirmed, while you don't have a shred of evidence, yet are aggressively arguing with him.
     
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  34. pvaudio

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    That is the TTW way, after all :D
     
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  35. Up&comer

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    Hehe, even more so in other sections *cough* general pro player discussion *cough*.
     
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    Thank you.
     
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  37. Vcore89

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    Ok, you are right.
     
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  38. Vcore89

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    I didn't even watch the video posted. Shred of evidence?
     
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  39. Vcore89

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    A few years ago? :oops:

    What experience do I have? My experience matters not quite apparently.

    Just future-proof it!
     
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  40. Vcore89

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    When someone pats you at the back they usually want you to cough something up. :rolleyes:
     
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  41. netguy

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    I did it in my two identical Dunlop D4 100, and Co-Poly mains / Gut crosses "won" over Co-poly crosses / Gut mains.....but as you said "Everyone is different" :)
     
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