The Fischer Faction!

Discussion in 'Racquets' started by Djokovicfan4life, Mar 28, 2008.

  1. 0d1n

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    Ross, I'm not 007, but I can answer your first question. The red/black pro 1 is NOT the same with the frame that 007 is talking about. The red/silver earlier version of the pro 1 is the same with the VT98 Pro. (Edit ...here's the red/silver one we're talking about http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=XK2nPvtmVJw ...this is the older version of Pro 1)
    The red black one is the "newer" version (which appeared just before the MSpeed series) and it's different, it feels slightly stiffer, smallish sweet spot and lower swing weight (in stock form). Still a pretty good frame, but definitely NOT the same. I prefer the MSpeed series to the red/black or red/black/white versions.
     
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  2. Ross K

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    Ah! A baseliner with an aversion to the net?!... now this sounds like a man I can see eye to eye with!...and a poet too!
    ... A few Q's for you then, if I may, Nicky (and anyone else who might wish to comment)...

    How are the 2 different Pro no.1's you've mentioned on the serve? Which is best... in fact, how do they match up on serve, groundies, to swing (heavy, light, etc)?

    Have you ever played with my old Vacuum Pro 98? If so, how does it compare to the Pro. no. 1's in your view? (As I've already said, I've found my Vac Pro a bit too cumbersome for me and the balance a bit, er, 'unusual' (that'll be the custom job.) However, once those Formula 1-like engines are revved, it has the most incredible feel/power/control/topspin combo on the fh... are you telling me your Pro. No. 1's are the same or better?... If so, I think that will be it - I'll seriously just have to check them out.)

    Cheers - and may your baseline scalpel remain rapier sharp and the net but something we only know as it relates to fishing! ;-)

    Ross
     
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  3. latinking

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    I am a Fischer guy all de way!!!

    I use M-Speed Pro 1- SL (red and green). Use a full Kirschbaum super spikey at 60 lbs. Also have been using lately a hybrid of, 17g Cyber flash mains at 58lbs and 16g Gosen OG micro crosses at 62lbs.
     
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  4. 007

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    ROSS: OD1N is correct. The very first 'Pro #1' was the red/silver 330g Kafelnikov. It's predecessor was the VT98 Pro 330g. They ARE THE SAME FRAME but with different cosmetics. Both have Vacuum Technic + ceramic fiber + tapered beam PowerFeel.

    Then the black/red/white Pro#1 replaced the red/silver when Gamma took over distribution. The b/r/w was 320g unstrung, lost the ceramic fiber but added some Ti and played a lot differently. It was lighter and played less 'solid' (but was still good a stick minus the classic 'Fischer feel' ).

    Then Gamma left the scene and the Pro#1 changed to black/red/silver and got a bit heavier, lost the Ti, added fiberglass and played very nicely again @ 330g strung and was a very solid frame again. The Pro #1 was killed off and replaced by the Magnetic Pro....which IMO plays a lot like the VT98 Pro and red/silver Pro #1 but has more pop and does not have ceramic fiber either

    Vacuum Pro has always been constant-beam and was dropped in 1997 I think
     
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  5. Ross K

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  6. fuhzball

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    I came across an Fischer Pro Tour FT Air Carbon Ti the other day. It was cheap, so I bought it to go with the 6 mspeeds (they were lonely). Is this a forerunner of the pro 1's or something all together different?
     
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  7. downey stringing master

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    i like the old vaccum 90's the yellow /purples ones are lush
     
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  8. Ross K

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  9. jorel

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    fave version so far is the one right before the mspeed one... the light 320g one
    black and red one
    i could bomb serves with this one
     
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  10. Sleepstream

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    It's still not accurate, otherwise how would one explain the inconsistencies between the Vacuum Pro 98s, where there are pictures of a constant beam and a tapered beam version?

    http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showthread.php?t=185973

    That's a thread you created not too long ago, and it was never fully resolved.
     
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  11. Ross K

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    jorel,

    In your opinion, is the 320g Pro No 1 (I think this is the frame you're talking about?) suitable for a b-liner? (And BTW, I'm aware there's also a 330g frame which is perhaps the more obvious b-line choice, but I thought I'd try and get a view from a 320 user.) Any more comments on this 320 frame - I'd love to hear them.


    Sleepstream,

    All I can say is, "I TOTALLY AGREE!"... As I've said several times, I've found it extremely difficult to get clear info on these older Fischer frames - so much of it seems contradictory and confusing! :confused:

    Hmmm... maybe one day some authority on these older Fischers might post a list in order of sequence that the frames were 'born', with some info on their cosmetics, how they played, stats, etc.
     
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  13. packer_fan

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    Hi Fischer Fans. Please add me to your list as well. I have both Pro No 1 (SL UL) as well as the MComp.
     
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  14. NLBwell

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    packer_fan (or others who have used both)
    I am looking for a new racket and want a flexible racket to protect my elbow. The Fischers sound good. What are the strong points and differences between the Pro #1 and the MComp?
     
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  15. nickb

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    For Pro No1 fans...

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  16. Djokovicfan4life

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    Nice, 20 members! :)

    Let me know if I missed anyone and I'll add you to the list.
     
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  17. nickynu

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    Can I just mention that the Pro no1 has always had versions (in the uk at least) 295g 320g and 330g as some of the previous posts suggest that there was just 1 weight spec on some models
     
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  18. jasonchu

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    OMG. that is so saweet!!!!!!!!!!
     
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  19. jasonchu

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    Mcomp95 babee.

    jasonchu
     
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  20. Serve n' Volley

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    How does the 295g Pro No. 1 play?
     
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  21. packer_fan

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    NLBwell & Serve_n_volley,
    Obviously the biggest difference is in the weights, balance, and swingweights. All the Fischer sticks are flexible and very arm friendly. If you've had elbow, arm or shoulder problems, the flexibility of these racquets will help greatly. The play of these racquets really depends upon what type of player you are and if you have good racquet prep. The MComp is going to reward the player with good strokes and good preparation. The heavier frame really gives your shots some pop without a lot of effort, but it demands a little extra attention. The M Pro No 1 SL is a little easier to play doubles with and it too gives a little extra pop without a lot of effort, but it's a little less solid than the MComp. The MComp has that solid feel that comes with a racquet of its weight. The UL version of the M Pro No 1 at times seems too light, but there are times during a 4.0 doubles match that I stick with that racquet because I'm able to move it around more quickly. Your strings are going to make a huge difference as well. Some folks jack up the tension too much on these racquets. You've got to stay around 50 to 55 lbs. Using a hybrid method or just a regular syn gut will, in my opinion help these racquets shine.
     
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  22. Slaz

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    Count me in too :)

    By the way, very nice collection nickb !
     
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  23. Djokovicfan4life

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    List Update

    Members list:

    1. Djokovicfan4life: Founder of the Fischer Faction
    2. astra: A man of few words
    3. Ross K: Likes the name that I stole from another thread
    4. fuhzball: Left his VS/poly hybrid for Gosen micro 18
    5. NickB: Doesn't like to make decisions
    6. Craig Sheppard: Long-time Fischer user
    7. ndtennis: Fischer fanboy
    8. cpmoran: Another fellow M pro SL user
    9. Leads up is Fischers
    10. Crazyups: Says his racquet is over 12 pounds!
    11. vsdtrek: 7 months and counting with his beloved Fischers
    12: Racquet Junkie: Prefers a poly/syn. gut hybrid
    13. nickynu: Wants a review of the Fischer vacuum pro
    14. Daveyboy: Loves everything in the Fischer lineup
    15. Austro: Wants a new M pro but can't find the right grip
    16. 007: Thinks he's James Bond
    17. Latinking: Fischer all the way!
    18. Downey Stringing Master: Likes the old vacuum 90's
    19. jorel: Likes to bomb serves with his Fischer's
    20. packer fan: Another M pro user
    21. jasonchu: Mcomp95 babee
    22. Slaz: Uses my favorite racquet
    23. Mardy Fish: Fischer Pro Tour Ft. user
    24. t-swede: likes 105 sq. inch racquets
     
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  24. jorel

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    this post has me back with my beloved 320 g Pro one (wish I didnt sell my other ones and give one away to my friend which he THREW OUT!!) long story.......

    anyway.. GREAT for Baseline... probably its strength but its no slouch anywhere else on the court either.... a friend once told me that I play best with the Pro ONe (of course it doesnt keep me from switching to a 6.0 85 to a Babolat Pure Drive to everything else on the market)

    anyway... im back with my love and it feels good. I have also tried every single version of the 330 g from the VT98 to the Red/Silver Pro One and even a Black White and Red 330g and it is a NICE stick (for more info you might want to ask 007 too, he is the master, and can probably list the history of the frame for you)
    but the 330 g was so sweet like butter... solid but not really stiff... stable but still had feel. stiff feeling but still soft and flexible(i think the only frame ever to give me that impression) the stability and stifness of a PDR but the feel of a really nice flexible stick) I loved this frame but alas it is too much stick for me... cant accelerate it as fast and it is just too heavy for me... but I LOVE it... one of my faves,,, but the 320g is just more realistic for me....


    (theres also a very nice review on the 330g version done by TW ...maybe someone has it or you can find it in the wayback machine)

    and i dont know why (maybe all in my head) but my fav version of the 330g was the red/silver one
     
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  25. Ross K

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    Just a thought...

    Anyone care to compare the Pro No 1 (330g) with the PSC 6.1... any similarities there?

    Plus also, any Pro No 1 (320g) users care to say what other frames, if any, the 320 might slightly remind you of?

    Cheers Fischer fanatics!
     
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  26. mardy_fish

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    time to add another member. i use a fischer pro tour ft, i use the 12 oz. black and yellow version.
     
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  27. t-swede

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    fischer pro tour ft

    mardy can you tell me a little bit about how your racket plays , serve , groundstrokes , handling , sweetspot etc. ?

    thanks the swede
     
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  28. jorel

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    hi ross

    i have played with both the 6.1 and the 330g v.

    Hands down.... feel goes to the fisch... everything i said above.
    the 6.1 has a raw feel to it from the graphite/kevlar, but the fisch is butta...
    performance wise... 6.1 16x18 has more spin
    it is more difficult to generate top with the 330g

    I like serving better with the fisch

    but if you are looking for a 16x20 6.1... then you might have found your stick with the 330g

    If I could handle the 330g I would use it , but i cant so I use the 320g
    (BTW Ross,,, do you have a source to buy new 330g versions? I would be interested)
     
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  29. austro

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    I think the Fischer M Pro One (heavy) plays similar to the K95 with the right string set-up.

    I am also the proud owner of a cotton Fischer top, in a nice retro look. I will try and post a picture but it can also be found on the official website.
     
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  30. racquetjunkie

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    hi Austro,
    interesting. I have a pair of each (all 4 weigh in the 365g range). I agree they are somewhat similar. the k6.1 95 has more power than my M Pro 1 (red and green) though, and the M Pro 1 may be softer. Both are very stable, a lot of plow through. I was surprised that the k6.1 95 does not swing that much heavier than the M Pro 1 (little bit of lead at 3 and 9, no lead on K95)
     
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  31. t-swede

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    count me in too !! 2 fischer mag pro ones sl one picked up here on these boards from junboo , paid 100 bucks shipped for the pair total . oh i almost forgot to mention its the 105 headsize sweet !!

    the swede
     
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  32. Djokovicfan4life

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    Added you to our list. :)
     
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  33. NLBwell

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    Thank you packer_fan!
    My current racket is 14oz and a stiffness of 56, so heavy and flexible is good for me. What is the stringbed of the MComp like? I've seen several comments that you need to string it low and it is dense in the center even though it has 16 mains. How is it for creating spin?
    Also, how well do the Fischer rackets serve?
     
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  34. mardy_fish

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    The raquet has good pop, serving is great with it, it has great spin generation and power on serves. On backhands the extra .4 inches is nice to have and on groundstrokes in general the raquet has decent control with good power. The sweetspot is fairly big and i don't have too many mis-hits with it. Volleys are very good, i have great reach control and power on them. Overall, this raquet is very good it is good at the net and at the baseline. The best part about it is probably serving.
     
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  35. fuhzball

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    Played yesterday with a Pro Tour FT (2003 version) for the first time. Loved the feel. Seemed a little more HL than my m speeds, a little less flex. The added length was not apparent. Same Fischer traits, soft, good spin and control, more pop than the mspeeds. I've already obtained another for doubles... along with another 98 heavy (this makes 8, i believe)
     
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  36. Ross K

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    Hey Fischer folk!

    Just to say I'm looking forward to finally checking out the red/black Pro No 1, which should be in the very near future now. It was a close thing between the 320 and the 330, the latter being the obvious choice for a b-liner such as myself who likes heavy, super-stable rods normally. However, I now think I need to look at developing my play a little and a lighter, more menouverable racket would probably benefit my game (as a recent outing with a lighter, easier to swing Wilson frame proved to me.) Besides, I've heard great reports (including on this thread) anyway about the 320's b-line capabilities.

    On a different note, I must confess I've become less ecstatic about my Vacuum Pro 98. The demanding and irratic way it serves has started to bother me. And it is indeed a tad too slow to move about when crammed or for those low pick ups. That said, I don't think my 10-day Devonshire diet of cider and pasties has exactly helped with my reactions!
     
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  38. nickb

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    Ross,

    Have you tried taking the heat sleeve grip enlarger off and replacing the leatehr grip with a synthetic?

    That could reduce the weight by as much as an ounce...

    Nick
     
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  39. Ross K

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    I think the word is 'Doh!'
     
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  40. nickb

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    haha try it! could make a big difference to the SW. I remember hitting bombs with that frame!

    ps you got mail.

    Nick
     
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  41. Ross K

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    No, I def will do! At present, as I say, I just find it too heavy in the handle region, and the results are too varied for my liking.
     
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  42. Ross K

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    Nick, everyone,

    Well, I took out the heat sleave at least (although I left the leather grip on - nothing else is available where I am on holiday.) However, no big difference unfortunately. It's as bad as this now: just practising my serve yesterday for 10-15 mins, three-quarters (if not more) of my serves found the net. Call me defeatist but that's telling me I'm in trouble with this frame. Sure, when it does connect, you're talking major bomb. But when playing a proper match, and although the percentage improves a lot, I'm still finding it too irratic and demanding.

    And the other issue that is now counteracting against how excellent I find the rod for groundies is this: it just swings a little too slow, sluggish and unpredictably (I still say the balance is hard to get on with' - as indeed it might well be if it was custom. for a pro.)

    Anyway, if ever there was an example of the dangers of the 'honeymoon period' and how quickly your enthusiastic impressions can swiftly change - here it is... I swear to God, a few weeks ago I was sure this was the best frame I'd ever played with... it's like I dreamt it or something?!

    Anyway, 2 important positives have arisen.

    1. I feel I have a reinforced idea of the kind of frame I'm looking for (it must have that topspin/power/control/feel combo, and generally be a v/good allrounder... Oh! and it also mustn't be too slow or cumbersome.)

    2. Er... my Pro No 1 (320) is coming next week!!

    So... how are other 'Faction' members presently faring with their rods?
     
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  43. nickb

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    I'm switching over to the M Pro No1 (I think)...

    Nick
     
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  44. db379

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    To anyone who has played with the old silver red pro 1 and the mspeed SL. _Which one has more feel and feedback? Is it a big difference, and how does it affect any part of your game? Thanks a lot.
     
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  45. Sleepstream

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    Ross,

    What is the weight of your racquet now?
     
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  46. Ross K

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    Well, it was just 1g shy of 13 oz. However, yesterday I removed the heat sleave grip enlarger so that should've brought it down a bit. Can't give you a precise figure right now though. Er... why do you ask?

    BTW, the frame has been custom made for a pro. For plain old me though (around a 4.O level player), this translates as demanding and hard to figure out on the serve. Slow and heavy when your crammed in close or trying to pick up low balls. But really truly fantastic on groundies (specially on my fh)... as I've said before, it's like a high performance sports car (think Ferrarri!) the way it slips smoothly through the gears and then blasts off!... annnnyway...
     
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  47. Ross K

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    BTW... Nick... care to tell us a bit about the M Pro 1? What's so cool about it? How is it impressing you?
     
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  48. nickb

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    Ross,

    Im getting more spin on groundstrokes and a little more pop on volleys. Other than that there is not much difference...the M Pro has a little more flex. SW is about the same. I hit some massive serves last night with the M Pro but I think its about the same for serves as the red/black. My serve is around 110mph...last night im sure I hit 115..a good days hitting really :)

    Im going mad right now I just cant stick to one racket....I am currently playing with my Red/Black prono1s, the M speed and a Pure Drive Standard.

    LOL

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  49. Djokovicfan4life

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    Another update, let me know if I missed you!

    Members list:

    1. Djokovicfan4life: Founder of the Fischer Faction
    2. astra: A man of few words
    3. Ross K: Likes the name that I stole from another thread
    4. fuhzball: Left his VS/poly hybrid for Gosen micro 18
    5. NickB: Doesn't like to make decisions
    6. Craig Sheppard: Long-time Fischer user
    7. ndtennis: Fischer fanboy
    8. cpmoran: Another fellow M pro SL user
    9. Leads up is Fischers
    10. Crazyups: Says his racquet is over 12 pounds!
    11. vsdtrek: 7 months and counting with his beloved Fischers
    12: Racquet Junkie: Prefers a poly/syn. gut hybrid
    13. nickynu: Wants a review of the Fischer vacuum pro
    14. Daveyboy: Loves everything in the Fischer lineup
    15. Austro: Wants a new M pro but can't find the right grip
    16. 007: Thinks he's James Bond
    17. Latinking: Fischer all the way!
    18. Downey Stringing Master: Likes the old vacuum 90's
    19. jorel: Likes to bomb serves with his Fischer's
    20. packer fan: Another M pro user
    21. jasonchu: Mcomp95 babee
    22. Slaz: Uses my favorite racquet
    23. Mardy Fish: Fischer Pro Tour Ft. user
    24. t-swede: likes 105 sq. inch racquets
    25. fischernut: a very secretive poster
    26. amcgula: I feel sorry for his arm
    27. Deck: I'm running out of comments
    28. kookie411: Drakulie already beat him to this joke, no special treatment allowed in the faction!
     
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  50. db379

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    Anyone has the address for this review? I'd be interested as well. Thx.
     

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