The GOAT of excuses in this era

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Who is the goat of excuses?

  1. Serena

    38.4%
  2. Nadal

    25.0%
  3. Murray

    7.9%
  4. Djokovic

    15.2%
  5. Federer

    13.4%
  1. TMF

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    Which players do you think are most guilty for making excuses after a loss?

    I mean not just the vast number of times in their career, but the weigh of their reason. For example, saying "the match was in my racquet" is worse than saying "He/she played great but I wasn't motivated enough".
     
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  2. GasquetGOAT

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    Nadal - every loss is a disaster! no?
     
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    where's henin?
     
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  4. AndyArodRoddick

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    Got to be Murray.
     
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  5. batz

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    Care to list them?
     
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  6. phishua

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    I think Jelena Jankovic has to be included i this discussion.
     
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  7. GasquetGOAT

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    Fed shouldn't be in this poll he doesn't make excuse, he's just arrogant!
     
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  8. AndyArodRoddick

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    After his loss to Verdasco:
    ANDY MURRAY: Uhm, well, I mean, I could have started a couple of the sets better. You know, I went behind, played a couple of poor games early in the second and fourth sets to get behind. You know, if I sort of stayed on top there, that might have made a bit of a difference.

    After his loss to Nadal in IW 09.
    "You know, obviously today was not my best day"

    After his loss to Fed in Cincy 09.

    ANDY MURRAY: Yeah, I mean, I was just happy that I managed to keep it close in the second, because I returned poorly and served poorly.

    And After his loss to Cilic in USO

    ANDY MURRAY: I had a problem with it for a week or so. But regardless, I mean, you know, I just struggled today. I played poorly. You know, I'm obviously very disappointed. I mean, after, you know, the way that the last three Slams went I felt like I had actually played well and lost.
    And today, you know, it didn't feel like -- didn't feel like I played well.





    I mean players usually praise and say good things about other people or say he was just better, but not Murray.
     
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  9. TMF

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    I think Murray latest excuse was in Dubai. The excuse for the loss in Dubai was Andy didn't take the tourney seriously, but use the matches as an experiment..testing new shots, adding new tactics. Pretty insulting to the Dubai oraganizers, let alone no respect to the player he lost.
     
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  10. TMF

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    B/c of a Federer fan, I added him in the poll just to be fair. Otherwise non-fed fans might think I'm biased.
     
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    How do you improve if you don't try different things, in a match situation? Federer has done it in smaller tournaments over the years, and look at the success it has brought him. People are so quick to criticize Murray, especially on this US dominated forum.
     
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  12. TMF

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    The point is it STILL an excuse after a loss. Had Murray won, you think he would say those things? Losing in a 2nd round look bad and he covered up for that lame excuse(although he could have easily find a better excuse).

    Sorry, Roddick and Serena gets a lot of heat too and they are from US. Not just player from Europe.
     
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  13. davey25

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    Only 1 WTA player on the poll is already an epic fail.
     
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    honesty comes at a price
     
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  16. batz

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    Re Verdasco at AO from http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/tennis/7850375.stm

    0934: "If I say that I'm sick and it affected me, I know it's going to be like, 'Well, he's making excuses for losing'. I don't feel that was the reason why I lost. I definitely did have my chances, and he played too well."

    0919: "I don't think it was anything to do with physical, concentration or my game. He played too good for me - that's what happens. I'm not here to try and make excuses for why I lost."
    Andy Murray after losing to Fernando Verdasco

    re Nadal at IW from http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5jGJpRGn07r6vl_AGl-J3CmgSOq5Q


    Murray, meanwhile, seemed unable to get to grips with the situation.

    "I think I accpeted a little bit better than him the conditions today," Nadal said, and Murray agreed.

    "Rafa dealt with it very well," Murray said. "He hit the ball cleaner and seemed to get himself in better positions than I did.




    You would appear to be havering a load of p1sh.
     
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    Gulbis "beautiful losses"

    This isn't exactly an excuse, but that's why I like it:

    After winning in Asia last fall Ernests Gulbis was asked whether it was his best match yet. He replied: "I've had many beautiful losses." :confused:
     
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  19. batz

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    I'm sure you did. I'm not suggesting that your quotes are incorrect. I'm suggesting that they are completely selective and as such, in no way support your contention that Murray makes excuses when he loses and doesn't give players credit. In the examples you cited, Murray clearly does both.

    Every player who loses a match will come off feeling they could have done something better. That is not the same thing as saying "I only lost because..<insert excuse>".

    If you can find me a bunch of quotes where Murray does that, then fair enough - you may be on to something. Good luck with finding them.
     
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    ALTITUDE TOO HIGH, NO?

    /thread
     
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  21. TMF

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    Feel free to list other wta players that are beyond Serena's level. And give reasons, just don't list names and walk away.
     
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  22. TMF

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    Was Murray honestly trying to lose in the 2nd round? Afraid not.
     
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  23. batz

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    What is it with this forum and strawman arguments?

    Nobody said Murray tried to lose. You are arguing a point that nobody has made. Murray said he was trying something different. That's not the same thing as trying to lose. It's not even close.
     
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  24. Mr_Shiver

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    How are we differentiating exuses from reasons?
     
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    He tried new tactics but the point is he DOESN'T want to lose either.

    Does this picture look like a player who doesn't care about winning?
    [​IMG]

    Exactly!
     
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    Apologies - I took the opposite meaning from your post. Of course he wanted to win. He even smashed a racket at the end - not something he does very often
     
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    I picked Nadal, but JJ has to be the worst (and most hilarious), didnt she blame her period for her loss to Oudin?
     
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  28. BlackRacket

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    Out of those mentionned : Serena then MonoFed
     
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    Of course Federer. He just cannot accept defeat with grace.
     
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  30. okdude1992

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    how is serena not WAY ahead in this poll. she NEVER gives her opponents credit.
    after that its a tie between nadal's knee injuries and fed's mono
     
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  31. okdude1992

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    thats awkward
     
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    :rolleyes:............
     
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    If it were indisuptable why bother having a poll. Some other WTA players though that also deserve inclusion on this poll would be:

    Henin- using blatant acts of cheating to win some of her big slam matches, and quitting with a phony tummy ache while getting her ass kicked in another. Often doesnt give her opponent credit after defeats either, finding various excuses.

    Jankovic- an array of silly injuries and drama both on and off the court. Often talks about such and such an injury after a loss, and sometimes even blames the chair umpire for her mental breakdowns (eg- 2007 U.S Open).

    Schnyder- she has actually confessed to tanking matches vs opponents she doesnt like, and uses that to excuse the losses. She has sometimes refused to shake hands with opponents she didnt like, namely Anna Kournikova and Conchita Martinez for starters.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k71ezy5CC4k
    http://news.google.com/newspapers?n...8cPAAAAIBAJ&sjid=M44DAAAAIBAJ&pg=4662,3441274
    http://news.google.com/newspapers?n..._AvAAAAIBAJ&sjid=7fwDAAAAIBAJ&pg=2642,5475766
     
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  34. P_Agony

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    For women, Serena, she never gives credit to the opponent. For the men, I have to say Nadal. While he does give credit to the opponent, Nadal has invented the pre-emptive excuse making method, which works for him like a charm. Instead of making post match excuses, he makes them before the match, and then if he wins, he's the almighty warrior who fought his way through injuries (and his opponent who lost looks even worse because of that), and if he losses, it's because he was injured, not because his opponent played well. A win-win situation for Nadal, no?
     
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  35. angiebaby

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    Too funny. :grin:
     
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  36. P_Agony

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    Funny in a sad way, that was my main criticism of Nadal for the past year.
     
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    Agreed. This serves no purpose other than to scream his preconcieved notion about S. Williams, under the paper thin excuse of a poll.

    ...all true, but ignored by the OP.

    All conveniently skipped over, but to anyone who really knows the history, the poll becomes quite silly.
     
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  38. VamosRafa10

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    Nadal or Murray. Federer may be the goat of tennis but not for excuses. Djokovic is pretty good too like heat exhaustion in melbourne was a nice try
     
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  39. Anaconda

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    Nadal: I've never heard Nadal say he's lost playing really good tennis. (and he has actually lost playing really good tennis) He compliments the opponent, but proceedes to say 'i must play my best to have chances to win.....today i didn't play my best so i can't win'. However you cannot play your best everytime - otherwise guys like Safin and Federer would have contested every slam final on hard. People can call me out but if you take a look at Nadal's post match interviews, then it's always because he didn't play his best. It never occurs to him that the opponent played an awsom match.


    Actually guys like Murray are realistic. Murray actually said in an interview that he played good at the Australian Opem, French Open and Wimbledon but came up against three guys who played there best tennis. Murray even said he played good matches and was fair because the opponents he played were awsome on the day. He didn't give credit to Cilic but again Murrat was correct; anyone in the top 10 would have beaten Murray that day.

    Does anyone take Djokovic's lame ass excuses seriously? They are just scary bad.

    Federer CAN get away with giving excuses. Because if he did play his best against someone like Baghdatis of Berdych no matter how well those two are playing they still wouldn't win a set. Only guys like Nalbandian, Nadal, and Safin have beatn Federer when Federer is 'on'.
     
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    Never?
    "Este partido ni en mis mejores condiciones lo podría haber ganado. La forma en la que ha jugado Novak es imparable (...) Djokovic ha estado a un nivel inalcanzable para mí en esta superficie." ("Even at my best level, I couldn't have won. The way Novak played is unstoppable (...) Djokovic was at a level inaccessible for me on this surface." ) Bercy 2009
    What more do you need?
     
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  41. Anaconda

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    Ok i'm sorry. I take it back. It's rare to hear that though.
     
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  42. RoddickAce

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    Serena makes the most excuses out of those in the poll imo. Fed and Nadal don't really make a lot of excuses, it's only their fans that make excuses for them mostly. Djokovic used to make excuses often, but in the recent 1 or 2 years, he almost always gave credit to his opponent.
     
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  43. Telepatic

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    Serena, but I voted for men because I'm watching ATP more then WTA..Nadal's knees problem mentioning after a loss are getting kinda boring to me, I know its chronic problem but that is even more of a reason to not mention it..we know...Fed's "mono"/"he's all about slams" can be annoying as well..

    *waiting for someone to quote me on Djokovic's sore throat..*
     
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  44. Li Ching Yuen

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    Wasn't Djokovic depressed at some point last year?
     
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    LOL I remember that. It was HILARIOUS, Nadal fans claimed that the ball bounced too high for Nadal's liking. And it was supposed to be Fed with his 1hbh who would be affected even more by the high bounce, but nooo, Nadal fans come in and say Nadal suffered more from it. Classic stuff from Veronique/N_F etc etc.
     
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  46. rovex

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    I agree with you on the Federer mono garbage and "he's a different beast" in slams nonsense. When did Djokovic have a sore throat? Was it during USO 08 and Roddick made fun of it?
     
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  47. Li Ching Yuen

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    Your sig is absolutely a classic.

    What a legendary quote.
     
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    For once i agree with you. The monoglandular fever act is lame. Roddick ripped Djokovic for calling the trainer multipule times against Robredo in 2008.

    PS: Djokovic retired against Federer with a sore throat.
     
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    So it's ok for him to say that he lost the 2008 Wimbledon final because of the dark? Yeah, right... :rolleyes: Because Nadal was playing with a light bulb above his head.
     
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