The greatest instuctional video for 1 handers

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  1. sureshs

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    Not an instructional video per se, but excellent learning material:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N_0md8Tk2mw&feature=related

    Unlike other videos, this shows real-life situations:

    1. Low backhand ball into the body
    2. High backhand ball into the body
    3. High ball to the far backhand
    4. When to slice, when to drive, on the backhand
    5. High ball to the far forehand
    6. When to go closed stance and when to go open on forehands

    Instead of the millions of disjointed instruction videos out there which deal with ideal situations or one issue at a time, this pretty much covered all aspects of the real baseline game.

    I am going to try to replicate this as closely as possible.
     
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  2. Bobby Jr

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    Nice backhand. The only criticism I would make is she goes pretty flat with it more often than most people would manage to make work. (the quicker court she's on is a factor in that obv). I'd like to see how she hits any of her shots when she has to run for them. The video doesn't show much of anything but her hitting balls which came right at her.

    You wont see many nicer 1hbhs than that. Nice post.
     
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  3. LeeD

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    I don't know.
    Seems her forehand is still her go to shot, she has much faster rackethead speed, she's more aggressive with the forehand.
    Her backhand is a defensive "get it back safely" shot...at her level. She's stiff when she hits it, and tends to shortarm a lot of backhands.
    Playing her, you'd pressure her backhand, while her forehand is more aggressive, but kinda strange looking.
    If you pressured her forehand, she can hit winners.
    If you pressured her backhand, you'd get more chances to hit more shots.
     
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  4. sureshs

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    That is not completely the case. If it had been, I would not have been interested. I agree it is not match play, but it shows one far out high backhand (which she slices) and several incoming high and low backhands, which are actually more difficult than the farther ones.

    One the forehand, she goes closed stance whenever she can, but on quick and wider balls, she goes semi-open. She is also shown handling high forehand balls.
     
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    This video shows she can hit at the Div1 college women's level, that's all.
     
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    Various heights isn't what I meant by coming straight to her. I meant she didn't really need to chase anything down.

    I watched both videos quickly and on her backhand side there was only one I recall which she really had to motor to get to (near the beginning of her other video).
     
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    Correct. But I think it adds to the genuine nature of the video by showing how she handles high forehand balls. She seems like an ideal person to emulate for someone who is not aiming to be a pro.

    The strangeness is perhaps because she uses the gravity step and goes closed stance whenever she can.

    All in all, she seems to be the ideal for the semi-classical game. Her forehand grip is also a SW and not a W.
     
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    What other video??? I posted only 1 link. Did you find another one?
     
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    For a pro like you, that is too low level, but it will do for me.
     
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    Watched 3 minutes into the second video.
    Solid high forehand volleys, suspect low forehand volleys.
    Backhand volley might be too complicated requireing great timing. Her takeback is long, and the rackethead faces straight up, almost behind her before she begins the forward swing. Lots of mechanics involved, to close the racketface enough to hit a volley. Needs to move the hand back more, and less just the head of the racket.
    Even the BryanBros on TV show less opening of the racketface on backhand volleys.
    I sure as heck can't play college level tennis, but I can see flaws in a stroke easily enough.
     
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  12. Bobby Jr

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    Yeah, I wasn't going to be overly critical on them but you're right. I was more considering just her backhand groundstrokes.

    Volleying wont matter if she goes on the WTA circuit anyway. :lol:

    I googled her but there doesn't seem to be much info on her tennis after university (Weber State Uni), unless she got married and changed her name.
     
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    A former ATP pro, and acquaintance of mine ( got to stay in his house while trying to get into the Q of LA tourney) ElliotTelscher also had that problem on his backhand volleys. He even told everyone of it, as he was really a baseliner in heart. But it didn't matter, as you say, for baseliners. It really matters for those of us with weak groundies, but good volleys.
     
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    Unless I'm missing something, she could be hitting all those balls back out of court for all we know.
     
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    COULD be yes, probably not. They're not feeding balls, they're actually hitting to one another.
    Notice on the short prep forehand volleys, most go too short or into the net.
    Notice on the long stroked backhand volleys, she's susceptible to being late and lobbing the volley over.
     
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    07 26 09 Tommy Haas practicing backhand at 2009 LA tennis Open with his coach http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ONWFjn7RNUk

    If you like to watch a long sequence of backhand practice, you may like this video which has been posted here before.
     
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  17. Raul_SJ

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    Exactly.

    And it's useless as a serious instructional tool.
     
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    On the other hand, it shows how real balls in uncomfortable positions need to be tackled, maybe even sub-optimally, which most instructional videos omit or else you have to wade through 100s of them to get a tip. Lack of this skill is the reason for the poor performance of adults despite taking lessons for decades. 'Take it early" does not really cover the myriad situations that arise in real life.
     
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    It's all about the body clock engines inside.
     
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    I like her backhand, but I found it very hard not to focus on LeeD hitting on the court behind her.
     
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    That probably is not LeeD. He doesn't need to limp off his gimpy leg.
    OTOH, his serve is probably better than my right handed serve...or at least, more consistent.
     
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    Sorry LeeD. Couldn't resist :)
     
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  23. UCSF2012

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    And she's using the n90. See people, girls use the 90's without problem. Granted, she can take Serena Williams in a wrestling match. But still, it's a girl using the n90!
     
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    Doesn't everyone do that?
    Short balls, you have time after the bounce, so you can move feet.
    Deep balls, since you started split step sideways, it's quicker to just hit from there.
    Not rocket science, everyone does it, doen't they?
     
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    I am sure they do, LeeD. For us lesser players, emphasis does not hurt.
     
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    Well, for instance, return of serves.
    If it's a slow serve, most of us move our feet.
    If it's a flat heater, we only have time to turn our shoulders.
    Just like in volleys. If it's slow incoming, we move feet. If it's a heater, we turn our shoulders.
     
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    But don't you remember the big debate about open stance being the desired teaching goal on the modern forehand? I think the women are much more sideways than an open stance. Sometimes it is closed stance with the gravity step (right foot taken back behind front), sometimes more semi closed (right foot taken back but not till behind the front), and sometimes true closed stance with actual stepping forward with the left foot.
     
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    i'm not able to search the ball ahead because i am obsessioned about the highness of the contact.

    Maybe i must free myself from this conditioning and shift the weight independing from the high of the ball.

    neutral stance is perfect for weight transfer at low medium speed of the ball .. and at club level, the most of the shots are low speed shots... open stance, imo, isn't the ideal stance for weight transfer against low speed balls.

    but club level players love to hit like the pros ... :)
     
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    Possibly you forgot that "club" players have late recogition of the ball, don't move nearly as well, and aren't used to hard shots, so the movement required is EXACTLY the same as for top level players, only less court is covered.
    A "club" player has never seen Monfil's forehand, Milo's serves, or Nada's topspins, so his expectation level is much lower.
    The need for desperation shots is just as needed in club level as for the pros.
     
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    By neutral stance do you mean right leg going behind the left (for a rightie forehand)?
     
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    I take the guys who say "modern" forehands are hit with open stances. That is pure theory, not backed by any of the top players on tour today.
    Why?
    OK, if a ball is coming to you short, it's probably going to bounce low and short also, right? Well, you gotta get off your chair and get forwards, hence the close stance, which allows you to tranfer weight forewards...just like the split step setup sideways when you are waiting for the opponent to hit the ball somewhere, or the overhead foot movement needed to get back ..NOT backpeddle, to the ball that is over your head.
    So you hit open stance sometimes. Why? Because the depth is there, the ball will get to you, no need to move forwards to it, never back up. Open allows you to recover quicker.
    Forget the "moderness" of the stroke, think of the practicality.
     
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    What about when there is a choice between open and neutral?
     
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    Where there's a choice, choose the footwork needed to win the point.
    If you're stretched a bit off to your forehand side, and you're not going for a winner, go open. If you're stretched a bit, but now going for all or nothing, close your stance.
    Balls hit into your sweetspot the same. INTENT has a bearing on your footwork.
    Going for a winner, your recovery position or quickness is not important.
    Going for another rally ball, you'd better get your butt back to center of intersect.
     
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    Check out the drive slice she hits on a high backhand at about 1:10. The ball is over head height and she cranks it with excellent drive slice technique.

    So, for all you 1hb players who complain about how to hit high backhands, this is how you do it.
     
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    yes, and stepping on front foot ( left foot )
     
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    lol- that hack hitting next to her is nice contrast of good form versus terrible form.
     
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    OTOH, 98% of us on the internet can't compare with her tennis skills.
     
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  40. Limpinhitter

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    Sureshs has late recognition of his late recognition.
     
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    Wait a minute. I am not talking about left foot going forward and getting planted on.

    I am talking about left foot remaining where it is, the right foot going well back, and then turning around and coming forward after the shot, or the left foot swing backward after the shot. No net movement of body to the front. Is that what you call a neutral stance?
     
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    I noted that, but it may have been possible to hit a drive or topspin too.
     
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    You didn't even recognize that the remark was not meant for me
     
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    I didn't recognition that you're not a club player?
     
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