The "Gutpoly High" Club

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  1. Power Player

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    Yeah I would not get 10 hours without SSavers. They and the poly crosses are allowing me to do this setup.
     
  2. Posture Guy

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    Yeah, I'm not sure why I don't break strings faster. I guess I hit a pretty flat ball. I don't pound the ball, but I play at a reasonably aggressive level. 4.5, all courter.

    Hey, I'm not complaining.
     
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    It matters who you play as well. People who break strings a lot not only swing hard but also play guys who swing hard back.

    If you are playing no pace guys a lot, it will give you more string life.

    Generally it is a mix of the 2, which is probably why you are not breaking strings a lot. I am in the same boat..I play about 50/50 no pace vs heavy hitters.
     
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    Good point. My mix is the same as you. I play 3x/week. Two of those are with the same two people, just regular hitting sessions, and then 1 ladder match a week. One of my regular hitting partners is a 5.0 woman whose goal is to hit every ball as hard as she possibly can. I love hitting with her, we have great rallies. Then I play a guy who is probably a strong 4.0 who hits hard but is very inconsistent. The points are much shorter with him. Then in the ladder, I'm relatively new to the ladder and they placed me too low when I joined it. Cupcake city at first. I'm finally working my way up to stronger players, but even still, some of these guys have the goal of just getting the ball back and letting you beat yourself. So far I'm able to make them pay for that strategy.
     
  5. Power Player

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    Do you lead your MP up at all or play it stock? Just saw you used it. I have a light racquet coming and am trying to figure out what I prefer ( my 6.1 is 12.5ozs ). I have flip flopped between both.

    I use 16x19 as well and while that is not exactly ideal for string life, so far I am doing ok.
     
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    Yeah, I started with it stock to get a feel for it, then I added some tape, don't remember how much. I think it's clocking in around 11.8 ounces, somewhere like that. I didn't go crazy with it, but it felt a little unstable against big hitters or especially returning big flat serves. Wanted to keep it a few points head light.
     
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    Not at all -- as long as you use the Babolat ones. Their teflon coating makes them slide more and snap right back into place. Federer puts them into the top of his hybrids from the get-go because they facilitate spin production.

    I've found they definitely help with it while extending the life of your mains. If you keep putting them in at significant notches, you'll probably double the life of your stringjob.
     
  8. The Big Kahuna

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    I was told 48 pounds. People exceed that all the time, but John @ G&G was very specific in his belief that polys lose their playability and benefits above this number.

    After far the temps go here in LA, sure it's in the 70's in the winter in the daytime, but it get;s down into the 40s in the evening!! Brrrrrrrrrrrrrr...
     
  9. Posture Guy

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    yeah, I just checked a new package of Co-Focus. It recommends stringing at no more than 24 kg mains and 22 kg crosses. That's 48 pounds for the crosses.

    I've got half a reel of Pacific Classic left (my next demo was going to be Prince Natural Gut). I'll try that at the 52-48 to see how it plays.

    Quick question, Big Kahuna: can you compare the KLIP Legend gut you play to others like Pacific Classic, Wilson Natural, etc...? Haven't heard much about that one.
     
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    Surely you meant to say "set", yes? If not, where on earth do you get reels of Pacific Classic?
     
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    My bad. Yes, half a set.

    That's what I get for typing before I've completed my cup of morning coffee. Apologies.
     
  12. The Big Kahuna

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    KLIP Legend Tour - Highest grade natural gut with tremendous playability. Legend Tour offers 2 coatings providing a livelier feel with more durability. Very responsive string with the uniformly smooth feel of natural gut. 100% Australian. Comes in a non-traditional black color. This string last a long time due to the coating - 30-40 hours easily.

    KLIP Legend - Highest grade natural gut with excellent playability. Very responsive string with the uniformly smooth feel of natural gut. 100% Australian.
     
  13. Posture Guy

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    Thanks, will probably try a set of the uncoated version here shortly.
     
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    TW.com says the KLIP Legend Tour 17 will be back in stock by the end of this month. It is sold out.

    In the meantime, here is an update on my current playtest of cross string with that string.


    Testing Update (3 hours):

    MSV Co-Focus 1.18 impressions: soft, comfortable, resilient, lively, crispy, precise, with good access to spin and good feel. Nice ball pocketing.

    Weiss Cannon Mosquito Bite 1.16 impressions: comfortable, lively, crispy, precise, slightly stiff, with decent access to spin and decent feel.

    I would expect the MSV to be a bit more durable and to have slightly better tension stability based on it’s diameter.

    So far, head to head, I have to say that - as a doubles specialist - the MSV has impressed me more (especially at the net), although, if I was a baseliner I might lean towards the MB. Both these strings are very solid options as crosses with gut in the mains - small gauge to reduce wear, slippery to allow maximum spin potetial, and offer some pop.

    I will update this test as the string wears and loses tension. Then I will platest the WC Silverstring 1.20 against the “winner”.
     
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    I have tried Pacific Classic 16 mains at 54 with scorpion 1.22 crosses at 57 in a pure drive like. It feels a bit too powerful, very nice pocketing when hitting flat serves, slices or volleys, also nice for flatter shots. When hitting with topspin swing motion, balls sometimes fly. I was wondering if I could get a bit more spin, and a bit less pop with some few changes but still maintaining gut/poly, as the pocketing and feel nice. Different options:
    I was thinking raising the tension to 60/57
    Get thinner gut as 17. I am sure I will get a bit more power but hopefully a bit more bite as well. Then get a lower powered poly to compensate.
    If I do this, what low powered poly do you recommend that holds the tension well? I think I have read that silverstring is less powerful than scorpion somewhere, but recently someone said just the opposite.
    Opinions on low powered poly to tame pacific classic 17 gut and help with spin and good tension hold?
    Thanks
     
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    Lower?? You mean higher I guess, if you have 16 in mains, 17 in crosses, right?
    I guess lower you mean, thinner.
     
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    Lol yes, precisely. Thinner crosses than mains.
     
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    I see I could get more spin than scorpion but, how about lowering the power (if I am putting 17 gauge gut and thin poly crosses)?
     
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    The lower the tension, the more the mains will deflect on contact with the ball and spring back into place, imparting spin.

    Paradoxically you'll get more spin which will help tame the power.
     
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    Similarly, the higher the tension, the less strings will deflect. Meaning you'll get both less power and less spin.

    Unless you hit with an oversize racket, you'll be fine going 2 lbs above the bottom of your racket's tension range. Hell, Fed goes 2-3 lbs lower than his stick's basement tension.

    Unless you hit really flat shots, what's there to worry about? No matter how powerful your shots are, as long as there's enough spin they'll land in.

    (That said, if you're a 3.5 or 4.0, you need to work on your technique more than you need to worry about string tensions.)
     
  22. panta77

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    I am 4.0-4.5 borderline.
    What you say makes sense as less tension generates more spin as string move and snap back, but at the same time more rebound from strings so more power.
    My racket is similar to a pure drive, 100 inch, 24mm beam. I use a poly/synth gut hybrid regularly and I have lowered my tension from 55 to 53, to 50 etc, and true, more spin, more snap back but more trampoline effect. There is a limit where the stringbed feels too trampoline like though.
    The theory makers sense going low on gut and cross poly. But in real life situation, at least on my personal case, there was too much trampoline effect, that is why I think in my personal case a low powered cross poly would be a better idea with a 17 gut main.
    Don't you think so?
     
  23. The Big Kahuna

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    Do you know which poly has the least friction of MSV C0-Focus 1.18, WC Misquito Bite 1.16, and WC Silverstring 1.20?

    The numbers posted on the TW.com website are hard to decifer.
     
  24. mixedmedia

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    I think MSV Co.-Focus has the lowest.
     
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    And you could maybe try a lower powered gut. Also, just wondering why you strung the poly cross 3 pounds higher than the gut when you tried gut/Scorp.
     
  26. ptb5021

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    Anybody ever mix natural gut with rough strings? Considering trying a natural gut in the mains with Luxilon adrenaline rough crosses. Hoping the texture wont affect the gut durability.
     
  27. mixedmedia

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    I'm pretty sure it will decrease durability.
     
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    It definitely will, looking to see if anyone's used it and could give me a ballpark string life.
     
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    Whats a poly to cross with gut in the blx six one 95 16x18 been looking at silver string any others than will help generate a lot of spin
     
  30. Posture Guy

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    I would think a rough cross would not only hurt gut durability but would also defeat the purpose of a hybrid, in that the gut mains could now not slide easily over the crosses.
     
  31. mixedmedia

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    I agree with PG above.
     
  32. The Big Kahuna

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    Read the article by Joshua Speckman in Tennis Player Magazine in this thread I posted (#124).
     
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    One guy posted about heptatwist crosses in my Pac 1.25 x Co-F 1.18 thread and IIRC he said he got about 14 hours out of it. Apparently the spin was ridiculous.
     
  34. ptb5021

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    Having never used natural gut before, what do you guys suggest? I see Titan is pretty cheap, but not sure on the quality - I don't see it discussed too much here. Klip and Pacific seem to be good options. Not looking for anything top of the line, something that has good value with emphasis on durability.
     
  35. mixedmedia

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    Performaxx LT or some of their other lines (LT is cheapest), Pacific, and maybe Mamba Tennis.

    (And did Pacific Classic recently increase in price?)
     
  36. panta77

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    mixedmedia, that was a writing error, 57 mains gut, 54 poly crosses.
     
  37. mixedmedia

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    Got it. That makes more sense.
     
  38. The Big Kahuna

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    Top rated Natural Gut on Stringform for OVERALL performance:

    1) Babolat VS Power 17
    2) Bow Brand Championship Natural Gut 16
    3) Klip Armour Pro 17
    4) Babolat VS Touch 16
    5) Babolat VS Team 17
    6) Pacific Classic Gut 16
    7) Pacific Classic Gut 17
    8- Bow Brand Professional Natural Gut 16
    9) Wilson Natural 16
    10) Babolat VS Power 16
     
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    Top rated Natural Gut on Stringforum based on play test results for PRICE / PERFORMANCE RATIO (the best performance for the lowest cost):

    1) Gaucho Natural Gut 16
    2) Bow Brand Championship Natural Gut 16
    3) Bow Brand Professional Natural Gut 16
    4) Pacific Classic Gut 16
    5) Pacific Classic Gut 17
    6) Babolat VS Power 17
    7) Klip Armour Pro 17
    8- Babolat VS Touch 16
    9) Babolat VS Power 16
    10) Wilson Natural 16
     
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    SMASHER, curious to know if on your way to settling on the MSV Co-Focus you also tried either WC Silverstring 1.20 or WC Scorpion 1.22 as a cross string, and if you did, how they compared with the MSV with the Pacific gut mains.

    What was your second favorite poly you play tested?
     
  41. NYCtennis1

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    Count me in guys, been hitting with Tonic/TB at 57/55 in my 09 Rebel's. Tempted to go down in tension but that setup just felt so sweet and dialed in. I've got a reel of TB with about 26 half jobs left, I want to get some of the more cost affective gut's as my stringer only stocks Bab gut's.

    Leaning towards Pacific Classic but I'm not 100%:confused:

    Just wondering do you guys experiment with your guts or is it standard to pick one out of the bunch in the beginning?
     
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    I've experimented with guts. If Performaxx wasn't out there, I probably wouldn't have experimented much, though.
     
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    I've been using Pacific Classic but I tried Performaxx WhisperTouch. It's a nice string. I can't say one is 'better' than the other, they're just different. The performaxx string felt stiffer to me, less 'plush'. I prefer the feel of the Pacific Classic stringbed, but ymmv.

    Next up on the string testing docket for me is to try Prince Nat Gut and Wilson Nat Gut and see if they feel like they're worth the extra cash.
     
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    Yeah, I liked the feel of the Pacific better too, but I'm trying the Performaxx Classic Premium to see if I can get some good feel with more durability. And it's a few bucks cheaper than TW's Pacific.
     
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    I tried 3 half sets of Titan and all three snapped while stringing. before that i ve been using klip legend 17, and never had problems stringing. TW replaced mine with three half sets of klip legend and they strung up just fine. i'd avoid titan.
     
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    Titan seems to unravel prematurely with tensions higher than 55 pounds. I no longer string that tight so maybe I'll try Titan again since I prefer lower powered guts.
     
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    Never tried Silver or Scorp to be honest. I had a hell of a time with poly strings about a year ago: started with Focus Hex 1.18, dabbled in Sonic Pro, then went on to Turbotwist (all with multi or syn crosses) and then my shoulder blew out. I still have a set of Tour Bite I'll never use.

    I was taking a hard look at Silver, but having had a favourable impression of MSV strings (which also had a slightly better price), when I came across some of the posts by TimothyO, they sealed the deal. Co-F seemed to have better elasticity, spin, and longevity. Since the latter two were what I was after the most, I pulled the trigger.

    Being pretty happy with how the 1.25x1.18 setup went, I doubt I'll try any other cross unless something comes along that's even smoother, more elastic, and holds tension better --at at least the same price point. Personally I think that's a pretty tall order!

    As for mains, I'm curious to see if something else could reduce the 8 hour or so break in time for the strings to develop the spinniness I like, while delivering at least the same feel and longevity.

    I'll probably give VS a shot, and possibly Tough Gut or Armour Pro, just for the sake of comparing.

    EDIT: Oh -- and to answer your question, if I had to pick a 2nd favourite poly, it would have to be Focus Hex. Almost identical to Co-Focus, except for its texture! lol
     
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    Thank you for the feedback on the polys, Smasher. I am going to keep the MSV Co-Focus on my next play test but switch from the KLIP Legend Tour I have been using to the Pacific Classic and see how they compare. I suspect it will soften the string bed and give me more feel and comfort. Hard to tell if I will get as much spin, but from your reports, I suspect I will.

    I was looking at some other options for crosses, so I checked Stringforum's Top PRICE / PERFORMANCE Rated Poly Strings (as of 2/15/12) for ideas. I was not surprised to see MSV holding three of the top ten spots on the list. The Co-Focus was also named in their Top Ten Overall Polys of the year in the tester's poll in 2011 - the only other string on both lists was the MSV Focus - HEX.

    Here are Stringforum's Top PRICE / PERFORMANCE Rated Poly Strings:

    1- Ashaway MonoGut 17
    2- Signum Pro Poly Deluxe 1.25
    3- Völkl Cyclone 17
    5- Kirschbaum Touch Turbo 1.30
    6 -MSV Co-Focus 1.18
    7- MSV Focus - HEX® 1.27
    8 - Topspin Poly Polar 17
    9- Signum Pro Poly Plasma 1.33
    10- MSV Focus - HEX® 1.23
    11- Kirschbaum Competition 1.20
    12- Kirschbaum Competition 1.25
     
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    I hit with the Pacific Classic 1.24 gut mains / MSV Co-Focus 1.18 set-up today and I am a total believer now. Goodbye KLIP gut! Hello Pacific Classic 1.24.

    AWESOME! Much more pocketing and more comfortable than the clip and the MSV seem much less spongy in the set-up with the Pacific than it did with the KLIP Legend Tour 17g mains I had been using for the last year in my Prestige. Nice spin, nice feel, good pop, and super comfy!

    I am set with my new EXO3 Tour 16 x 18 now. FANTASTIC!
     
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    I tried out Pacific 1.25 @54/Scorpion 1.22 @49 again today. It seems to give more vicious spin than CoF, esp. on angles, and it isn't as loopy, but I see what some of you guys were talking about with the arm pain. I'm going to drop both strings 2 lbs. in my other racquet and see how that goes. I love the control, since I always felt on the edge with CoF, but I may have to go back to it if dropping the tension or using SS doesn't help.
     

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