The Head Tennis Logo: It Is A Ski

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  1. Conquistador

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    It looks a bit like a fish...
     
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    how do you guys see a fish? I'm not seeing it here.
    *edit* i see it now, thats the head and thats the eye. (you have to turn your head sideways)
     
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    I always thought that the dot was a tennis ball and the curving was the motion of an overhead smash. :(
     
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  5. vsbabolat

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    It's true the HEAD Logo is a Ski Tip.
    Here is the original Logo as it a appeared on a Ski.
    [​IMG]
     
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  6. Conquistador

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    Thanks for the picture!
     
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  7. Fed Kennedy

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    Howard Head invented modern ski construction
     
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    Interesting... I always thought it was the "head" of a tennis racquet with the dot being a ball.
     
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  9. Fed Kennedy

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    Ironically, Howard Head also invented the POG
     
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    Howard Head invented the Original Prince Oversize racquet the Prince Classic that was aluminum with a green plastic throat piece.
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    How is that ironic?

    He founded Prince.

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    Howard Head Founded HEAD Ski in 1948. In 1968 HEAD Sports Inc formed a Tennis division. In 1970 HEAD Sports Inc. was taken over by AMF.

    In 1971 Howard Head became the Chairman of the board of Prince Manufacturing Inc.
     
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    Does anyone know how Peter Latham fits into the Howard Head story? I remember Peter having something to do with the Head Master and the Head Pro (the red plastic bridge). I believe he held the patent on the Spalding Smasher before that. Not sure if he collaborated with Howard.

    I also remember playing with him when he had a Head racquet with a movable bridge adjusted by an allen key in the butt cap. As the bridge moved it tightened/loosened mains and crosses at the same time. I'd be waiting to serve to him and he'd be playing with his racquet tension. Probably illegal in racquet construction anyway.
     
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    I have one of those in my room right now. My aunt picked it up for me for $1 at a garage sale.

    If you can give me specs, I'd really appreciate it.
     
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    Are you sure VS?? I was told direct from Head rep some years ago that the company was looking for a logo that fitted in the tip of the ski and that in fact it's a whale bone (or even a wish bone), because it fitted in perfectly. Plus some of the early skis were made from whale bones. It would seem logical thats why the logo is as it is.

    If you google whalebone and search for images, you'll come across pics of a whaleboen and you'll see the comparison to the logo.

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    It's the ski tip. The stereotypical early Head ski "signature" detail was the hole at the tip; this figured heavily when they developed the graphic which later made it to the tennis products, which is a stylized silhouette of the old head ski tip.
     
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  17. vsbabolat

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    Yes I am sure it is a Ski Tip. In fact back in the 80's HEAD referred to the logo as the "Ski Tip Logo". The Whale Bone reference, I had never heard before. As far as I have always known Skis were made out of wood up until the mid twentieth century.

    http://www.heritageaspen.org/tipchp2.html
    "For thousands of years ski technology remained primitive. Skis were made of single pieces of carved wood featuring an upturned tip and fastened to the foot with a leather toe strap. As Ted Bays points out, in his book, Nine Thousand Years Of Skis, many different classifications exist for prehistoric skis based upon their shape but they all have one thing in common—they were designed for cross-country transportation, not downhill running."

    That is what is so revolutionary that Howrad Head invented for his company HEAD Ski INC. (plywood-core, pressure-bonded aluminum Head Standard with continuous integral steel edge) http://skiinghistory.org/skishistory.html
     
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    I think vsbabolat is right on all counts.

    I would like to buy Howard Head a drink! So much fun on the snow and on the court with his products.
     
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    I was told about the whalebone origin around 87. If Head referred to the logo as the 'ski tip logo' it could refer more to the logo on the ski tip, rather than the logo itself. Its a bit like saying the Nike tick. Also why have a ski tip logo on a ski itself. It would be a bit like having a tennis rqt as your logo and then putting it on a tennis rqt.

    I'm not totally dismissing the logo being a ski tip, after all its quite logically that it is, but I'm also sure what I was told was also correct.

    I'm still incontact with the Head rep which told me this so I'll give him a call over the next day or so and see what he says.

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    You have to remember that HEAD was making Skis long before they made Tennis racquets.
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    There is the old logo on the Ski.
     
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    Sorry, I don't understand why you needed to tell me that. That was quite obvious.

    There is the old logo on the Ski.[/QUOTE]

    That doesn't confirm (the logo's) its origin, only its age.

    In fact can anyone confirm with a good source that the logo is the tip of a ski, and not some assumption/hearsay? I'm having trouble trying to track it down on the web. Even I can't confirm what I was told.

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    It's a drunk nike sign.
     
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  23. vsbabolat

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    The reason I wrote "you must remember that HEAD made Skis long before Tennis racquets" is because the logo is Ski related. It is not a wishbone or a whale bone. I was told from the people I had known at HEAD at that time that it was a Ski Tip and was referred to as the "Ski Tip Logo". If you can't see the Ski tip silhouette then I don't know what to tell you.
     
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    Agreed that it appears to be ski related

    Can you catergorically says it isnt a whalebone? You've said that you were told that it was a ski tip. I was also told from Head (here in the UK) that the inspiration was from a whalebone. After all whalebones have been used as runners on sleds. Your source is no better than mine.

    The acceptance that the logo maybe a ski tip is very simple to understand and I agree to that, but it doesn't necessarly make it right.

    I have not said that I can't see the ski tip, in fact i have agreed that it looks like a ski tip. What I've said is that, from the information given to me, is that its meaning differs from what you've been told.

    I know I'm being sort of stubborn here, but until I'm shown conclusive proof that its only a ski tip, and not anything else, then I'll stick with what I was told. If a majority of people on here say its a ski tip, then thats fine but it doesn make it right.

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    You must be one of those people that believes anything from a "credible source" In my estimation you are certainly being pompous and ignorant that many people have told you what the truth is..
     
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    Upon further review, I think it may be the hip joint of a velociraptor. Late cretaceous period. Look closely.

    On a slightly unrelated note: it would be awesome if Head brought back those graphics for skis. My uncle had a pair. They are sitting in my dad's attic. Next time I am out west I am going to shine them up and hang them. They look tight!
     
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  27. vsbabolat

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    Well Paul ,I guess we are both right. HEAD has called their logo a "Ski Tip" and a "Wishbone". I grew up in a area where Skiing is a popular sport and everyone including the HEAD reps for Tennis called it a Ski Tip.
    http://www.racquetsportsindustry.com/articles/2007/03/industry_news_2.html
    "Also key is a revamped Head icon, sometimes called a “wishbone” or“ski tip.” The new image is shorter, thicker, and more solid. “It’s more dynamic, more visible, and more impactful,” says Costello, “and is designed to be instantly recognizable yet innovative at the same time.”

    I believe it started out being called the "Ski Tip" because of the break through design of Howard Head's new 1949 Skis of plywood-core, pressure-bonded aluminum Head Standard with continuous integral steel edge began its journey toward becoming the most commercially successful early metal ski. It had a plywood core glued under pressure and heat between top and bottom aluminum sheets with plastic sidewalls. The bottom sheet had a continuous full length steel edge. It was the first successful ski made of very different components. The secret to success was a flexible contact cement that allowed the different layers to shear against each other without weakening. I think the Original logo represented the new for 1949 Continuous Full Length Steel Edge. You can see the steel edge of the ski in this photo.
    [​IMG]
     
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    Just because a majority believes in something doesn't make it right. And I'm not just talking about this little, insignificant thing. If I believed anything from a 'credible source' then surely I'd believe, without question, what vsbabolat has said. After all he has come up with some excellent information regarding rqt info. However it doesn't always mean he is right about everything, does it? In fact many people, probably you included, have taken the 'truth' here from a credible source. And yet I cannot find any information on the net as to the origin of the logo. Can you??

    Have you never questioned anything when everyone else agrees on 1 point and you don't?

    I certainly may not have quite the experience that vsbabolat has, and I take my hat off to him, but also have a wealth of knowledge, far more than most people on this board. So please, don't call me ignorant just because I take a different view from you.

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    Agreed. As mentioned before, it's quite logical to say that the logo is a ski tip as that's were their roots coes from.

    I think on this we sort of agree and slightly disagree. But in the end does it matter? Its what makes these discussions 'fun'.

    Have a good day

    Regards

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