The HEAVY RACQUET LOVER'S CLUB

Discussion in 'Racquets' started by harryz, Jan 10, 2009.

  1. sunnyIce

    sunnyIce Semi-Pro

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    i'v upped my weight now.

    on my ag100, i'm playing with
    368g ~12.9oz
    leather+og
    lead 9g under handle
    7g at 3,9,12
    Balance ~ 31.6, 8.5 HL
    SW ~335
    String BA micro 56

    plays quite solid. good feel.
     
  2. harryz

    harryz Semi-Pro

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    Help needed PLEASE

    Can anyone step in and take over updating the thread with new members as needed? I pulled a muscle in my ribs last night and typing doesn't help. Fortunately, x-Rays this morning were negative for fractures. Still looks like at least a couple of weeks of no tennis. Damn!
     
  3. movdqa

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    Use a different serving motion for heavy racquets - basically you use plowthrough instead of racquethead speed. BTW, my old Dunlops weigh in a 17 ounces. I don't use them anymore except for hacking around.
     
  4. J011yroger

    J011yroger G.O.A.T.

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    ?!?!?!

    J
     
  5. jetlee2k

    jetlee2k Banned

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    I have my 4 KPS88 customized lead @3,9 and above the grip, hybrid Luxilon Rough cross @46, VSTouch 16 Main @49, Full set of string savers, Wilson Dampener, A full length of Fairway Leather Grip, Wilson Pro Overgrip.. Total weight is 410g or 14.46oz.. it's the best setup i've tried so far.. !!.
     
  6. J011yroger

    J011yroger G.O.A.T.

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    What is the balance and SW?

    J
     
  7. Grizvok

    Grizvok Semi-Pro

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    Is that news to you too?
     
  8. Arafel

    Arafel Professional

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    I use the Wilson Ultra 2. I know it's between 12 and 13 ounces, but not sure of the SW. I think the balance is around 4-5 pts HL.
     
  9. J011yroger

    J011yroger G.O.A.T.

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    Yes, my racquet did not come equipped with a plow, so I must use the strings or frame to hit the ball.

    J
     
  10. bhupaes

    bhupaes Professional

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    I've modified my ProKennex 7g racquets thus:

    - 3 grams of lead tape at 12 o'clock
    - 12 grams of lead tape wrapped around the handle near the butt cap
    - Prince cushion fit grip (grip size is 4 3/8 )
    - Prince Topspin 15g string at 55 lbs

    I was surprised to find that my racquet now weighs 352 grams / 12.5 oz (stock weight is listed at 11.8 oz). I estimate the SW to be around 340 or so (since the stock SW is 330). It feels fantastic.

    I think I made it into this club by the skin of my teeth... :)
     
  11. ReopeningWed

    ReopeningWed Semi-Pro

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    Mostly the frame in my case. :)
     
  12. mawashi

    mawashi Hall of Fame

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    My lightest vantage is 356g n the heaviest is 362g, my yonex RDS002Tour is at least 365g n I don't want to know how heavy my Ki5 PSE is but it's an easy 380g.

    Do I qualify LOL!

    mawashi
     
  13. LPShanet

    LPShanet Banned

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    Count me in. Pretty much everything I've ever used has been over 350g and 350 swingweight. Currently using ancient Yonex RD Power 10s at 360g with 365 SW. Previous frame was Babolat Pure Control with essentially same specs. Previous frames include Prince Graphite Series 90s and Rossignol F200 carbons, as well as assorted wood frames.
     
  14. LPShanet

    LPShanet Banned

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    I use mostly frame, as J011y can attest. After all, that's where all the lead is concentrated.
     
  15. J011yroger

    J011yroger G.O.A.T.

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    Been meaning to give you a call. Now that they jacked the rates at the NTC, do you know somewhere else we can play.

    Kind of lame to pay $30 an hour to play outside. . .

    J
     
  16. IamNadal

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    I use a k90 leaded up to 15 oz and 20 pts hl.

    the lead tape on the handle made the racket from a 1/4 grip size to a 1/2
     
  17. LPShanet

    LPShanet Banned

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    Hmmm, didn't realize they had raised them. What were they before? Can't remember. Anyway, I'd say Prospect Park is a pretty good option, since they're on the permit system in the summer. Other possibles are the public courts at NTC (the practice courts just outside the main facility are part of the Dept of Parks' program not the NTC's fee structure), Riverside in Manhattan, and Astoria Park.
     
  18. jackson vile

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    No matter what the name of the game is keeping the racket as light as possbile so that you have manuverability.

    For instance, best racket I have every moded is 11.5oz, 27.5", SW 340, balance does not even matter at this weight.

    The more of a pure S&V you are the heavier you tend to "need" your racket, but in todays game there is not much S&V.

    However you have to understand that the heavier the racket and the higher the SW you become more and more vulnerable at the basline, so you can not have both it is one or the other.
     
  19. Seacoast Stringer

    Seacoast Stringer Semi-Pro

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    That 340 swingweight certainly isn't considered "light" though, is it? I have used many over 12 oz frames that have sw in the 320's that would be more maneuverable.
     
  20. jackson vile

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    That is what a person thinks instinctively, but it does not work out that way.

    That is the whole point behind polarization, is that it increases the manuverability of the racket, and on top of that when you have a racket that is 11.5oz it is just as if not more manuverable as that 12oz frame.

    That is real racket technology, the new materials and etc are just plain stupid.
     
  21. LPShanet

    LPShanet Banned

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    The basic physics of mass and momentum would appear, at least on the surface of things, not to agree with you. A freight train hits a ball harder than a cotton ball, regardless of where the mass is distributed.
     
  22. Beastforearm

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    My Prince NXG Mid+ weights 14.8 oz strung. :)
     
  23. Winners or Errors

    Winners or Errors Professional

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    Why would a heavy racquet make you vulnerable at the baseline?
     
  24. Arafel

    Arafel Professional

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    Well, according to woodtennis.com my Ultra 2 has:

    13oz strung (I think mine are around 12.5)
    357 sw
    6 pts headlight
     
  25. J011yroger

    J011yroger G.O.A.T.

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    I don't think it makes ME, vulnerable at the baseline.

    I have general incompetence for that, no need for a racquet to do the job I can do on my own.

    J
     
  26. samster

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    Stop being so humble, you crush the ball!
     
  27. Winners or Errors

    Winners or Errors Professional

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    With you on that one. Have racquets I like. They're a nice weight. The thing that kills me on the baseline at the moment is my horrific footwork. If I could only move my feet... instead of staring at the pretty shot coming at me. ;-)
     
  28. Grizvok

    Grizvok Semi-Pro

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    Well then you are missing the most important aspect of baseline rallying aren't you?
     
  29. ramseszerg

    ramseszerg Professional

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    I didn't know this either, but swingweight is actually measured in kg*cm^2, not in grams. Often just referred to as swingweight units/unitless.
     
  30. harryz

    harryz Semi-Pro

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    Updated list-- more members all the time

    Now that I'm back to hitting after being hurt--and loving it!-- it's time to update the list. Here goes, warriors:

    1. HarryZ
    2. HydroYang PROVISIONAL pending use of LEAD TAPE
    3. VGP
    4. Tofi
    5. Thepowerofchoice
    6. RestockingTues
    7. Markwillplay
    8. Mick
    9. Goosala
    10. fuzz nation
    11. ag200boy
    12. T1000
    13. In D Zone
    14. JackKYKung
    15. vndesu
    16. mcLovin
    17. madmanfool
    18. lilxjohnyy
    19. Run
    20. mdqm
    21. a-naik.1
    22. Matchmaker
    23. Robby C
    24. Bud
    25. Coonio
    26. jayserinos99
    27. timokabo
    28. Keifers
    29. Kalic
    30. am22fcw
    31. a_2c+
    32. syfo-dias
    33. dunno
    34. CountValkyrie
    35. hellojeffo
    36. RanchDressing
    37. dexlan
    38. rev200g
    39. Sentinel
    40. V205
    41. Dino Lagaffe
    42. Betafranca
    43. Jack&Coke-- A Man Among Boys and Honorary Initial Member of The Heavy Racquet Lover's Hall of Fame
    44. ACM
    45. Goosala
    46. OTMPut
    47. swedechris
    48. Satch
    49. Drudge
    50. tball
    51. JO11yroger-- A Legend
    52. jaewonnie
    53. SunnyIce
    54. P8ntballa
    55. ProTour630
    56. nhat8121
    57. sstchur
    58. 4zureSky
    59. ksixone95
    60. chess9
    61. Grizvok
    62. Winners or Errors (add some lead and/or leather, dude!)
    63. jetlee2k
    64. Arafel
    65. bhupaes
    66. mawashi
    67. LPShanet
    68. IamNadal (are you, really? Why are you using a K90?)
    70. Beastforearm

    Oh yeah: 69. (Count) Drakulie

    Now go out and hit that heavy ball.

    Harry
     
  31. T0P5P1N@DD1CT

    T0P5P1N@DD1CT New User

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    Count me in!! Um, well, I mean, can I join? (see sig)

    And, yea, I agree w/ JRog. Heavy stick doesn't make me vulnerable- if any, it makes the guy on the other end vulnerable. He's the one who has to suffer through the onslaught of heavy topspin tennis balls...:oops: :)
     
  32. Winners or Errors

    Winners or Errors Professional

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    Yes, but it's not the racquet's fault. Footwork is coming. I'm turning a corner. Just been playing too much doubles lately.
     
  33. rockbox

    rockbox Rookie

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    I thought I was already in this club. My MG prestige pro weighs in a tad over 13 ounces. IF I get in better shape, I probably will add a more weight.
     
  34. Cenc

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    i wanna join the club :)
    KPS88 - strung 363g
     
  35. goosala

    goosala Hall of Fame

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    Count me in:
    Yamaha Secret 04
    Wilson Pro Staff Tour 90
    Wilson K Factor 90
    Wilson K Factor K Pro Staff 88

    I consider these the heaviest frames that I have owned but in addition to these I have owned POG mids, Yonex RDX500, RDS001, Kennex Redondo, PS85 6.0, Donnay Pro One.
     
  36. poopscoops

    poopscoops New User

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    Ugh(!) Sign me up --

    Pro Staff Classic (6.1)..... 15+ years
    K90 Tour....................... 2 months
    N90 Tour....................... 1 week

    Also, enjoy playing with a friend's K88 and PS85 :wink:
     
  37. Power Player

    Power Player G.O.A.T.

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    I HAVE to play with a heavy frame. Learned this the hard way. I have a k90 on the way and a demo in the bag.
     
  38. samster

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    I guess I belong at this club:

    K90, Puma Becker Super, PSC 6.1 95.
     
  39. Mikey Fresh

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    Anything under 11 hurts my wrist
     
  40. NLBwell

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    Original Kennex Black Ace 14oz, 396 SW (two of them). Head MG Prestige Pro 13oz, 365 SW (two).
     
  41. ls206

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    Hey hey, sign me up to the list :)

    just taken some weight off my stick and it now weights 360g on the dot!

    325g stock (unstrung)
    total of 10g added to 12, 3 & 9
    a 5p piece in the buttcap (~4g)

    other weight is made up by dampener and overgrip.

    I think the swingweight is around 325...no idea though.
     
  42. subaru3169

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    i guess i should be in here right now.. both my rackets are wilson prostaffs 6.0 midsize 85 starting at 12.6oz.. add in the dampener, overgrip and strings then i don't know what the weight is
     
  43. movdqa

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    3 Dunlop Revelation Tour Pros at 17 oz. These aren't my regular rackets anymore but my son uses them from time to time. I have a second KPS arriving tomorrow (but I won't be around to pick it up). I find plenty of power and weight in the stock stick and plan to leave it at that.

    Unless I get restless.
     
  44. harryz

    harryz Semi-Pro

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    Time to update the list

    thanks and welcome to new members. stay tuned. We may not be the biggest club, but we carry big sticks.

    Harry
     
  45. squints

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    lol gotta say this is probably the club with the most comedic members.

    My racquet history includes the prostaff classic 6.1, PS tour 90, n90, and now the yonex rds001 mid.
     
  46. Dino Lagaffe

    Dino Lagaffe Professional

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    As you may know I have a bunch of racquets in my collection. I have posted specs of many of the racuets in another thread. http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showthread.php?t=246633 Two favorites of mine are the two below:

    Rossignol F200
    Weight: 405 g / 14.29 oz
    Flex: 40
    SW: 383


    Rossignol FGC
    Weight: 361 g / 12.73 oz
    Flex: 31
    SW: 343
     
  47. Sadow

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    Well I do not have a weight for my racket. But I am using a Tfight 320 V02 Max with 4g on 3 and 9 with leather grip. Along with my trusty rubber band dampener I am guessing around 350g at least?
     
  48. AllDownTheLine

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    KBlade 98's:
    362 g
    sw:?
    Hated it in stock form then tried one leaded up. It's a totally different hitting experience
     
  49. rosewall4ever

    rosewall4ever Semi-Pro

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    Question 4 those in the club----

    Many advocate here that such racquet are advantageous because it encourages proper technique. If thats the case then would you say those who can't play with a heavy racquet (not those who prefer not to play) because it hurts their arm/ wrist suggest their technique is wrong in some way? - A heavy frame is then a yardstick for proper technique.

    I raise this question because an uncle of mine who has been playing for 30+ year says racquets like the 85 are good 'training racquets'
     
  50. Keifers

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    There's the more classic technique -- long, smooth swings with the arm and wrist fairly relaxed, using more traditional grips (eastern, continental) -- and the more modern technique -- emphasis on generating racquet head speed to create big topspin, using western and semi-western grips.

    A heavy frame will very likely encourage better classic technique because you need good preparation, footwork and swing to get that weight around smoothly and effectively.

    Depending on how heavy the frame is, modern technique can be compromised by the weight, especially if the swingweight is also high. If the sw is low, modern technique is still quite doable with a heavier frame.

    Overall, I'm a big believer in using the heaviest frame you can play well with, whatever your technique. The weight will encourage better technique -- and help prevent wrist, elbow and arm injuries.
     

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